Vance: America hasn't won a single war in the last 40 years

[Muji.Iqbal]

I have a number of friends who left body parts behind. And some who didn't come home.

STOP invading other people's countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and then there won't be any amputees.

So cut the crap!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Why go to war? why not mind your business and let the world mind theirs ?

As I said above, the MIC can't help themselves. The world profits off the back of the American fighting man and woman now. Can't let us win. Got profits to meet.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

STOP invading other people's countries like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and then there won't be any amputees.

So cut the crap!

Dude.....you and I are actually on the same page more than you think we are.

In 1962, President Kennedy was contemplating a US withdrawal from Vietnam. He saw it as a lost cause due to the corruption of the Diem regime. You know what happened then 22 Nov. 1963. In 1964, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, since proven to have never happened, gave Johnson the impetus needed to escalate hostilities and the opportunity to pretend he was a military strategist.

Gulf War 1 - will leave that one alone.

After that, I still didn't see the need to go in other than a score to settle with Saddam. Same with Afghanistan. But by golly the MIC sure made a lot of money off both.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Let's put it this way, after the Korean War, the US refused to go to war with any country ranked in the top 10 in terms of national power.

??? Can you name these top 10 countries?

Neither did probably every other country on the planet...certainy including China.

We didn't fight Martians either and neither did anybody else.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

??? Can you name these top 10 countries?

Neither did probably every other country on the planet...certainy including China.

We didn't fight Martians either and neither did anybody else.

I seem to recall when we were deploying for Shield / Storm that Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world at that time. Equipped with the latest Russian hardware, blah blah blah.

100 hours after we crossed the LOD the Iraqi Army was sitting at the table.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I seem to recall when we were deploying for Shield / Storm that Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world at that time. Equipped with the latest Russian hardware, blah blah blah.

100 hours after we crossed the LOD the Iraqi Army was sitting at the table.

Stop it with the facts!!

You know the Chinese will slime their way out of it by saying but...but...but...but Iraq was blah blah blah...so that makes them only #11. So there..I'm not wrong!!! Good luck arguing it back.

Best to ask for that list...so they can can corner themselves.

Kenya will be #7.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

As I mentioned in another thread, some of these people can continue to believe whatever it is they want to believe. Nothing I, or you, say based on fact will dissuade them otherwise.

Fortunately, there seems to be enough folks here willing to engage in debate without resorting to the usual name calling / slander / accusations. It's simply confirmation of having a weak mind made even easier when you're behind a keyboard.

BTW, I've been in Kenya. Great country, people were wonderful. Game drives were like being in the San Diego Zoo only you are a part of the exhibit. Good time out there on the Mara.

 

[LeGenD]

"Victory" is a loose term that gets tossed about a lot. Sure, we, along with the rest of the coalition, came out victorious in Gulf War 1. But, as I told my friends then, we didn't finish the job. We'd be going back. Got my hands slapped bigly for saying that but 12 years later? I was right. Remember "Mission Accomplished"? My ass........

We can win alright. Just quit profiting off the backs of the American fighting man and woman. And don't hamstring them.

A war has a political objective. There can be other objectives but there is that one key objective that must be accomplished.

In the Korean War, the key objective was to liberate South Korea. The US accomplished this mission and won the war therefore.

In Operation Desert Storm, the key objective was to liberate Kuwait. The US accomplished this mission and won the war therefore.

In Operation Iraqi Freedom, the key objective was to dismantle Saddam setup. The US accomplished this mission and won the war therefore.

In Operation Enduring Freedom, the key objective was to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network around the world. The US accomplished this mission and won the war therefore.

Now what kind of victory he is talking about? Wiping out an entire country? The US can do this too. All it takes is an Ohio class submarine.

The US is the most powerful country in the world with seemingly unparalleled capacity to wage war in comparison to other countries in modern times. But a war is fought for various reasons from "regime change" to "war profiteering." There is a war that you fight to win, and then there is a war that you fight to create business and such.

Its not like the US is trying very hard in every war it chooses to fight. In some wars, the US did not apply even 1/10th of its power. It is about a political objective usually.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Now what kind of victory he is talking about? Wiping out an entire country?

This is the perpetual argument on PDF.
Apparently the definition of "win" is you have to overturn every single rock in a country to find every single bad guy. Search every cave to its lowest depths and climb every mountain peak to grab that holdout.

This is like the French saying they never lost to the Germans in WW2 because they had the French Underground.

I'm sorry...they lost...Hitler was driving around their capital checking out the sites. The only reason he didn't make it to the top of the Eiffel Tower was because they cut the elevator cords and he didn't want to walk up 1,500+ steps. Otherwise we'd be seeing tons of selfies.

 

[MH.Yang]

??? Can you name these top 10 countries?

Neither did probably every other country on the planet...certainy including China.

We didn't fight Martians either and neither did anybody else.

So tell me, after the Korean War, which of the top 10 countries in terms of national power has the US been at war with?

You mean Iraq is in the top 10 countries in the world?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

So tell me, after the Korean War, which of the top 10 countries in terms of national power has the US been at war with?

You mean Iraq is in the top 10 countries in the world?

We knew you'd balk at ever naming those 10 countries you mentioned...we could see that coming a mile away.


^^^ The phantom top 10 list that will never be named ^^^
Chinese...all huff...no puff.

 

[Beijingwalker]

In the Korean War, the key objective was to liberate South Korea. The US accomplished this mission and won the war therefore.

Then why US kept pushing north all the way to our border, The Yalu River?

Enemy At Gate
China-Korea Border River, The Yalu River. 1950

 

[Beijingwalker]

US bombed Chinese border villages in Dandong and killed scores of Chinese citizens before China entered the Korean war.

中国百姓刘桂英的母亲在美军轰炸中惨死

老妇人的女儿和三个外孙惨死于美军轰炸

丹东市古物市场被美军炸成了一片废墟

 

[LeGenD]

Then why US kept pushing north all the way to our border, The Yalu River?

Enemy At Gate
China-Korea Border River, The Yalu River. 1950

The Korean War was about deciding the fate of South Korea in large part. North Korea created a professional military force with Soviet and Chinese support and came close to occupying and annexing South Korea in 1950 but the US intervened to prevent collapse of South Korea and US-led forces defeated North Korean military force in South Korea [Operation Chromite]. But General MacArthur postulated that the war is not over until North Korea capitulates and his forces advanced towards Pyongyang and Yalu River in an attempt to cut off North Korea from China but China responded to this move with great force and China-led forces advanced all the way to Seoul in 1951 [Chinese Spring Offensive]. Chinese leadership thought that retaking Seoul will provide advantage in negotiating the outcome of the war but US-led forces regrouped and fought to liberate South Korea (again) and the war continued until all communist forces accepted independence of South Korea in 1953.

Chinese military performance in the Korean War is impressive as China prevented collapse of North Korea and could hold a part South Korea including Seoul for a period of time. These achievements were never in doubt but the US prevented collapse of South Korea in the face of repeated attempts to decide its fate. The war concluded with acceptance of South Korea from all sides in line with American regional interests. This is important to understand.

 

[Foinikas]

Let's put it this way, after the Korean War, the US refused to go to war with any country ranked in the top 10 in terms of national power.

Because that might have sparked a world war.