Israeli F-35s operated with “impunity” inside Iranian airspace: Lockheed Martin CEO

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Asked whether he thinks the F-35 is well positioned for continued Pentagon funding, Taiclet noted that Israel was able to operate the F-35 with impunity inside Iran, demonstrating its advanced capabilities. He also argued that having the jet in production at a meaningful rate bolsters deterrence against China.

“A part of deterrence theory is that you have to have the capability to make the adversary reconsider an adverse action against you,” Taiclet said. China “has increased production of the J-20—which is their fifth-generation airplane—to over 100 units a year. We’re doing 156. We’re ahead of them. I think if there was a dramatic change in the U.S. order book and production, that might be a signal that would be adverse to maintaining an effective deterrent to them.”

Taiclet continued that “there are some very capable people coming into the administration. They understand deterrence theory. The last thing I think this President and administration would want is to create a period of vulnerability with any of our major adversaries in the next few years. So I feel really confident about F-35 production.”

He further noted that the F-35 has demonstrated an ability to control up to eight drones in a formation, which could be crucial for the Air Force’s Collaborative Combat Aircraft program, and can also do “some classified things” in the area of manned-unmanned teaming in concert with the F-22.
 
Asked whether he thinks the F-35 is well positioned for continued Pentagon funding, Taiclet noted that Israel was able to operate the F-35 with impunity inside Iran, demonstrating its advanced capabilities. He also argued that having the jet in production at a meaningful rate bolsters deterrence against China.

“A part of deterrence theory is that you have to have the capability to make the adversary reconsider an adverse action against you,” Taiclet said. China “has increased production of the J-20—which is their fifth-generation airplane—to over 100 units a year. We’re doing 156. We’re ahead of them. I think if there was a dramatic change in the U.S. order book and production, that might be a signal that would be adverse to maintaining an effective deterrent to them.”

Taiclet continued that “there are some very capable people coming into the administration. They understand deterrence theory. The last thing I think this President and administration would want is to create a period of vulnerability with any of our major adversaries in the next few years. So I feel really confident about F-35 production.”

He further noted that the F-35 has demonstrated an ability to control up to eight drones in a formation, which could be crucial for the Air Force’s Collaborative Combat Aircraft program, and can also do “some classified things” in the area of manned-unmanned teaming in concert with the F-22.
Would be nice if they gave proof than running their mouths for more sales.
 

Operation Days of Repentance: The Impact of Israel’s Strikes on Iran​

Israel’s recent strikes on Iran’s military infrastructure signal the vulnerability of Tehran’s air defences and expose the limitations of its regional deterrence strategy.

In the early hours of 26 October, Israel announced that it had launched ‘precise and targeted’ strikes on ‘military targets’ in Iran, as part of Operation Days of Repentance, its much-awaited response to the Iranian ballistic missile attack at the start of the month.

Video from Iran appeared to show air defences active over Tehran. The Israelis have briefed that there were three waves of strikes, apparently involving around 100 aircraft, including drones, all of which returned home safely. Footage being shown on Israeli television shows a mixture of F-15 and F-16 aircraft preparing to launch, though there is speculation that Israeli F-35I were also involved. It does not sound like Israeli ground-launched ballistic missiles were used; the leaked US assessment released online recently suggested that air-launched ballistic missiles were being readied for use by the Israeli Air Force. These are suspected to have been used in the April attack near Esfahan, and their range means they could have been launched from well outside Iranian airspace. At least one journalist has been briefed that Israeli aircraft breached Iranian airspace, a claim that lends weight to the use of F-35Is.

It now seems likely that the route used by the Israeli Air Force involved flying through Syrian airspace and launching from over Iraq, although there would have been a risk of giving early warning to Iran if detected by Syrian radar (or Russian radar based in Syria). Recent regional diplomacy by Iran might have resulted in the Gulf states not wanting their airspace to be used by Israeli aircraft. Israeli officials briefing that the waves of strikes included hitting targets in Syria and Iraq could be misdirection, but more likely indicates that this was indeed the route taken, and that radars and threats along the way were suppressed or destroyed to clear a path. Iraq has since complained to the UN about violations of its airspace. The alternative route would have been a very long diversion down the Red Sea and around the Arabian peninsula: this would have required multiple mid-air refuelling operations, although the Israelis have demonstrated this capability recently when striking Houthi targets in Yemen, and have rehearsed it extensively over the years.

The ‘Goldilocks Option’: What was Struck?​

The Israelis claim to have struck air defences, missile production and ‘additional aerial capabilities’. There are no current nuclear targets in the areas identified (other than a research facility and reactor in Tehran), nor have we seen suggestions yet that oil refining or production facilities were struck directly. Details now being briefed to US media suggest that air defence systems (Russian-supplied S-300s, including radars) were struck, including those protecting facilities like the Abadan oil refinery and the Bandar Imam Khomeini petrochemical complex. In addition, there are images suggesting that some missile development and drone facilities operated by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) at Khojir and Parchin (in and around Tehran) were also struck, as well as possibly the missile test facility at Shahroud. Parchin also included facilities previously identified as being part of Iran’s research into nuclear weapons development before it was suspended.

Impact and Implications: Iran is Vulnerable​

This Israeli operation was considerably more extensive than April, but was still a restrained response aimed at emphasising Israel’s conventional military superiority and removing threats in the form of missile production facilities, while not appearing ‘escalatory’. Striking Tehran makes public the Israeli ability to hit Iran’s capital and defeat its air defences, but the scale of the strike and (apparent) avoidance of civilian areas makes this look far more precise than the equivalent Iranian attack, as well as justifying it as a defensive measure. The picture that is emerging is one of significant damage to Iranian air defences as well as missile launch facilities, both of which would be intended to show the Iranians that they are vulnerable to further strikes if they attempt retaliation. There is some speculation that all of Iran’s S-300 batteries have now been struck and possibly destroyed. These have hardly performed well to date, but if they have been stripped away entirely – leaving Iran with only domestically produced systems – this will increase the sense of vulnerability the regime feels. It is also hardly a resounding success for Russian military exports, especially following similar Ukrainian successes against the S-300).

Moreover, the complexity of the operation should not be underestimated. Over 100 aircraft would be a significant proportion of the Israeli Air Force’s combat fleet (estimated at between 270 and 300), which has been operating at a ferocious tempo for over a year, especially during its campaign in Lebanon. This is alongside the deployment of airborne refuelling, surveillance, and command and control capabilities over a round trip claimed to be 1,600 km.

The nature of the operation looks like a win for US leverage, albeit bought with the deployment of THAAD and 100 personnel to Israel. In addition, the restraint on display has probably been met with a sense of relief among Gulf oil producers, as the measured nature of the attack avoided disruptions to regional energy supply chains, which had been a growing concern during the weeks of heightened speculation. They have also avoided being directly implicated in the attacks (and have issued the predictable responses criticising them), while benefitting from Iranian military capabilities being further degraded. Meanwhile, Israel’s use of Syrian and Iraqi airspace comes at little cost, as Iran is unlikely to retaliate against either country, while Israel has been able to reaffirm its dominance of regional air activity.

The Iranian Response​

Iranian media tried to immediately downplay the impact – despite reports of four Iranian military personnel being killed – but the regime is probably still evaluating the attacks, and the Supreme Leader issued an equivocal statement on 27 October. Iranian officials admitted there had been attacks on border radar stations in the provinces of Tehran, Ilam and Khuzestan but claimed that these had been ‘successfully countered’ and that Israel’s long-range, air-launched missiles carried ‘very light warheads – about one-fifth the size of Iranian ballistic missile warheads’. The Iranian regime appears to be trying to limit public demand for a military retaliation against Israel. But regardless of how well it can hide any damage, this is the largest direct conventional attack on Iranian territory since the Iran–Iraq War (including both fighting with the Iraqis and the US strikes on the Iranian navy under Operation Praying Mantis). This needs to be factored in to understanding the psychological impact, especially if the taboo on direct strikes on Iran that are formally declared appears to have been shattered (the April attack on Esfahan was never formally acknowledged by Israel).

Source: RUSI
 
The f 35 are falling from sky without even one shot fired at them lmao as seen 2 days ago for the 20-50 th time, so that clown needs to create fake feel good stories hoping they ignore the horrible track record of the f35
Really now? How about failure to fire shots at them? One can be critical of Israeli policy but one should not be oblivious to advances in stealth technology or make fun of it.

Remember statements like Israeli soldiers dying while trying to enter Lebanon? There can be losses in a fight but there was also evidence of Israeli forces breaching Hezbollah defenses and operating deep inside South Lebanon blowing up Hezbollah infrastructure in different locations. Even UN troops were facing incidents in that region. This intrusion stopped when Hezbollah agreed to not throw more rockets on Israel. Never mind the fact that IDF was wiping out entire blocks of Hezbollah-owned infrastructure in different cities including Lebanese capital. Some long-term settlers in Lebanon literally fled from Lebanon while watching bombing on this scale. You might also think that Assad setup collapsed to a bunch of rag tag rebels - IDF was striking at Assad setup and Hezbollah positions across Syria and these strikes made it possible for Syrian rebels to regroup and topple Assad setup in reality. I pointed out some of these developments in relevant threads but they were unsettling to propagandists here. This is what copious amounts of propaganda does to people - make them detach from reality of the horrors of modern warfare techniques. Propaganda is a ridiculous application and can fool people for a while but truth has its way to show at some point.

One does not have to agree with Israel policy but one should not be blind to ground realities of the world and underestimate a competent foe. It is important to understand how things actually work in life and accept facts in the process.
 
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Tiny Zion pummeled Iran for 3 hours using 100 military aircraft on 26 October 2024.

It's 30 January 2025 today. How much longer is scared Iran going to hold Operation True Fart 3 in?

Remember, this is only tiny Zion sending 100 military aircraft to Iran, not the US or NATO.
 
Tiny Zion pummeled Iran for 3 hours using 100 military aircraft on 26 October 2024.

It's 30 January 2025 today. How much longer is scared Iran going to hold Operation True Fart 3 in?

Remember, this is only tiny Zion sending 100 military aircraft to Iran, not the US or NATO.
I'm in for USD$10 they behave themselves for awhile. It's Trump 2.0. They can't be happy. Especially if they are begging you guys again for planes.

Good chance they won't be answering their pagers or cellphones either.
 
It's classical fake news.

Firstly that there is no proof of what is being said, secondly that if "Israel" could do this, it would do it several times again and would even try to overthrow the government, thirdly that this would then be "the biggest air attack in history" and the number of deaths would be in the hundreds to a thousand people, remember that "Israel" launched 1 single missile from a plane at a hospital in Gaza(still in 2023) and killed 500 people in a few seconds... a F-35 carries several missiles, 100 F-35 dozens and hundreds of missiles, walking free for 3 hours bombing everything, we would easily have 1000/5000 deads in Iran easily.

This is (obviously) fake news released belatedly as a form of war propaganda and which does not match with reality, it comes from the same lying center as the 40 beheaded babies or 500 million dolars in Lebanon Hospital. No Israeli planes entered Iranian airspace, and the opposite cannot be proven. They entered Iraqi territory (with US help), launched missions from there and returned.
 
...I am sure they have provide undeniable prove/evidence of their claim right?....right?....right?
 
It would be nice to see some actual footage of Israeli F-35s actually in Iranian air space
 
they said in a first time that launches were from Iraq.
 
Western countries and Russia all are selling dumbed down weapons to Middle Eastern Muslim states.
 

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