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Cat is out of the bag. Expansion with brute force. trump demanding Arabs to take in Palestinians.


Trump says Palestinians should leave Gaza permanently as he meets with Netanyahu​

Kevin Liptak
By Kevin Liptak, CNN
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Updated 6:07 PM EST, Tue February 4, 2025

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President Donald Trump said Tuesday he doesn’t think there is a permanent future for Palestinians in Gaza, saying the war-torn enclave is uninhabitable and that its residents have no choice but to leave for good.

Instead of their homeland, Trump suggested Gazans move to a new location provided by one or more nations in the Middle East.

“I mean they’re there because they have no alternative. What do they have? It is a big pile of rubble right now,” Trump said moments before hosting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for Oval Office talks.



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Trump’s suggestion that Gazans leave the strip permanently amounts to a provocative stance that will endear him to Israel’s most conservative politicians but is generally a non-starter for Israel’s neighbors, who have said they are unwilling to accept new Palestinian refugees from the enclave.

On Tuesday, Trump framed the matter as a humanitarian one, saying it was impossible to believe anyone would want to remain in the war-torn territory.

“Why would they want to return? The place has been hell,” Trump said, ignoring a reporter who cried out: “Because it’s their home.”

Instead of Gaza, he suggested the Palestinians be provided a “good, fresh, beautiful piece of land” to live.

But under repeated questioning, Trump made clear he did not see a world in which Palestinians ever return to Gaza.

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” He said, “Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Netanyahu, sitting alongside Trump in the Oval Office, smiled as Trump was speaking. The Israeli leader, under conflicting pressures domestically, was in Washington to ascertain exactly where Trump stands on the next phase of a ceasefire in Gaza.

But Trump’s dim views of Gaza as a permanent home for Palestinians was certain to provide grist for far-right allies of the Israeli leader, who have called on Netanyahu to abandon the temporary truce that was struck last month.

Netanyahu’s visit was expected to last several hours and include a joint press conference, all meant to demonstrate Trump’s solidarity with Israel.

The comity between the men could belie a relationship that’s more complicated than it sometimes appears – with nothing less than the future of the Middle East potentially riding on Trump’s words.

Trump has claimed credit for the hostages-for-ceasefire agreement struck in the days before he entered office – and even officials in the outgoing Biden administration acknowledged Trump’s imminent arrival helped apply pressure on Israel and Hamas.

Netanyahu, perhaps seeking to ingratiate himself to his host, praised Trump’s efforts.

“I think President Trump added great force and powerful leadership to this effort,” Netanyahu said in the Oval Office.

But for all of his prodding to get the deal inked, Trump will still need to oversee the remaining two phases of the three-phase plan. He didn’t sound particularly confident a day before meeting Netanyahu.

President Donald Trump speaks as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, left, and Commerce Secretary nominee Howard Lutnick listen as Trump prepares to sign an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in Washington.

President Donald Trump speaks as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, left, and Commerce Secretary nominee Howard Lutnick listen as Trump prepares to sign an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in Washington.
Evan Vucci/AP
“I have no assurances that it’ll hold,” he said in the Oval Office, where he’d summoned reporters to watch him sign some papers. “And I’ve seen people brutalized. I’ve never - nobody’s ever seen anything like it.”

He sounded slightly more optimistic a day later.

“We’ll see what happens. We’re dealing with very complicated people, but a deal can absolutely get done,” he said alongside Netanyahu on Tuesday.

There’s plenty for Trump and Netanyahu to discuss beyond the immediate matter of the ceasefire agreement. There’s the question of Gaza itself, which Trump has previously said should be cleared out for rebuilding, with the Palestinians who live there moved to Egypt and Jordan (a topic of discussion likely to continue when Jordan’s King Abdullah visits the White House next week).

“I would like to see Jordan, I’d like to see Egypt take some,” Trump said again Tuesday, just before Netanyahu arrived. “Look, the Gaza thing has not worked. It’s never worked.”

And then there is the prospect of a broader normalization of relations between Israel and its Arab neighbors, principally Saudi Arabia, that former President Joe Biden had been pursuing before the October 7, 2023, attacks. Trump, who openly pines for a Nobel Peace Prize, may see his opportunity in such a pursuit, which could transform the entire Middle East and create a new bulwark against Iran, a common foe to Jerusalem and Riyadh.

A family rides in a horse-drawn cart past a destroyed mosque in Beit Lahia, Gaza, on January 29.

A family rides in a horse-drawn cart past a destroyed mosque in Beit Lahia, Gaza, on January 29.
Jehad Alshrafi/AP
Whether Netanyahu is interested in diplomacy – or whether he instead sees Trump’s arrival in Washington as a moment to take decisive action against Iran, potentially even taking out its nuclear program – remains to be seen.

There is already speculation Netanyahu could use the talks to take Trump’s temperature on a direct strike, seizing a moment when Iranian proxies have been decimated, Iran’s nuclear ambitions appear to be accelerating and while he has friendlier ties to Washington.

For his part, Trump has not sounded particularly enthusiastic about starting a new conflict with Iran.

“Hopefully that can be worked out without having to worry about it. It would really be nice if that could be worked out without having to go that further step,” he said last month when asked about a strike on Iranian facilities.

A complicated relationship​

By the end of Biden’s term, relations were so strained between the American and Israeli leaders that they went months without speaking, despite the ongoing war in Gaza and intensive efforts by Biden’s aides to broker a cease-fire.

In the lead-up to last November’s election, there was little question among Biden’s team that Netanyahu favored a Trump victory, believing he would enjoy a far wider remit from the American government to prosecute his war aims with Trump in office instead of then-Vice President Kamala Harris.

Those predictions have not been wrong.

Already, Trump has lifted a hold on heavy bomb deliveries to Israel, rolling back one of the few Biden-era policies meant to exert leverage on Israel amid its war in Gaza.

He could go even further this week. Netanyahu and his delegation plan to press Trump’s administration to move forward with billions of dollars in pending arms sales, including thousands of new bombs, missiles, artillery and other weapons, during this week’s visit.

While some of the items could take a year or more to produce, deliveries of the bombs would begin within the next few months.

If Trump goes ahead, it would represent a new level of support to Israel from the United States, and a signal of Trump’s willingness to indulge Netanyahu’s requests at a moment of deep uncertainty in the Middle East.

But while Trump is popular in Israel, and Netanyahu enthusiastically welcomed his return to the White House, things haven’t always been so cheerful.

People wave Israeli national flags as a military helicopter transporting four newly-released Israeli hostages lands at the Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, on January 25.

People wave Israeli national flags as a military helicopter transporting four newly-released Israeli hostages lands at the Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, on January 25.
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When Netanyahu congratulated Biden on his election victory in 2020, Trump was enraged at what he saw as betrayal. In the months that followed, Trump accused Netanyahu of disloyalty and fumed to the esteemed Israeli reporter Barak Ravid, now a CNN analyst: “F**k him.”

Even three years later, after Hamas launched the worst terrorist attack in Israel’s history on October 7, 2023, it was clear Trump’s sore feelings hadn’t entirely faded.

“(Netanyahu) was not prepared. He was not prepared, and Israel was not prepared,” Trump said in an interview shortly after the attacks, comments that drew condemnation even from Republicans.

Netanyahu undoubtedly hopes the animosity will be forgotten when he visits on Tuesday. It seems almost certain his interactions with Trump will contain none of the open discord that colored his relationship with Biden in the final year of his presidency.

What is clear is Netanyahu’s desire to gather a wide range of opinions while he is in town. The prime minister is planning to remain in Washington well beyond his Tuesday talks with Trump. He arrived to Blair House, the presidential guest residence, late Sunday and is expected to stay until the end of the week, including for meetings on Capitol Hill.

For all of their vast differences, Trump and Biden do share a philosophy when it comes to engaging with their foreign counterparts: dealing directly is the best way to make progress.

Eight years ago, Trump’s first foreign guest at the White House was the United Kingdom’s then-Prime Minister Theresa May, whose visit may be best remembered for photographs of May and Trump clasping hands as they gingerly descended a ramp along the West Colonnade.

May’s early trip to Washington, designed in part to convince Trump not to withdraw from NATO, did not portend particularly warm ties for the rest of his term. He repeatedly criticized her handling of Brexit, although by the time May resigned from office they seemed to have patched things up.

With Netanyahu, however, Trump has an altogether more immediate task.

This story and headline have been updated with additional developments.
 
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Trump is juggling with nathoo and MBS and evaporating the blame into thin air. He's using words carefully, saying no "demand" for a Palestine and also saying Natyhoo wants peace - I wonder how he managed that last one while keeping a straight face.

The ball is in the arabs court - if Egypt, Jordan don't cave no matter what bribe is given to them and MBS maintains no accord without recognition of a Palestinian nation(which isn't a demand) things can improve in the Trump admin.
 
Trump felt emboldened to say this on behalf of MbS in front of Bibi and the world. If it's not true MbS needs to come out and correct the record immediately, otherwise we have to assume it is true

Trump did not answer the question about 'pathway to a state' so it seems that is what Saudi's condition for normalisation is. But that seems extremely naive - Bibi and Trump clearly have zero desire for any Palestinian state.

I'm just going by what the Saudi Foreign Ministry has been saying and a old previous statement from Bin Salman that the criterion for recognition is a Palestinians state.

Of course I'm not Naive I read the reports as well saying he would allow for normalization without a state, but he would have a very difficult time internally to just accept the ethnic cleansing of 5+ million people. There will be issues internally undoubtably.
 
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Trump says the Saudis are not demanding a Palestinian state — Reuters

Absolutely not surprised.

I got admonished by certain shills and concern trolls on this forum, because i said the Saudis don't give a damn about the Palestinians.

In the end, I once again have the last tragic laugh.
 
I'm just going by what the Saudi Foreign Ministry has been saying and a old previous statement from Bin Salman that the criterion for recognition is a Palestinians state.

Of course I'm not Naive I read the reports as well saying he would allow for normalization without a state, but he would have a very difficult time internally to just accept the ethnic cleansing of 5+ million people. There will be issues internally undoubtably.
Saudi Arabia pledging to invest $1 trillion into the US while the US President publicly calls for total ethnic cleansing of Gaza and enables Israeli annexation of the West Bank sends a terrible signal, regardless of their theoretical threshold for normalisation

Saudis Turks Egyptians Jordanians need to be willing to use their leverage to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state. All of them need to totally boycott Israel, diplomatically and economically, until Israel does this.
 
Absolutely not surprised.

I got admonished by certain shills and concern trolls on this forum, because i said the Saudis don't give a damn about the Palestinians.

In the end, I once again have the last tragic laugh.
Trump is a serial liar, although I also think the Saudi's dont care.
 
Saudi Arabia pledging to invest $1 trillion into the US while the US President publicly calls for total ethnic cleansing of Gaza and enables Israeli annexation of the West Bank sends a terrible signal, regardless of their theoretical threshold for normalisation

Saudis Turks Egyptians Jordanians need to be willing to use their leverage to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state. All of them need to totally boycott Israel, diplomatically and economically, until Israel does this.

Lets see how it plays out, Saudi so far has denounced the move and made statements in support of Jordan and Egypt.
 
Saudis Turks Egyptians Jordanians need to be willing to use their leverage to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state. All of them need to totally boycott Israel, diplomatically and economically, until Israel does this.

There is a little bit more complexity he has created for himself. One only a tyrant would... because he expects everyone to relent and submit.
The ball that he has to juggle now is to convince Mideast in a war against Iran while simultaneously expelling Gazans... unless he lives in a parallel universe or has a continuous direct feed from miliekowsky... there is no such consensus in the region. Though I don't trust GCC and Jordanian Monarchy. I don't know the depths they're willing to fall...

Good news is that the rest of the world combined is not in favor and will not support any further escalation. The only counter offer the region can make is to relocate zion in the US... and miliekowsky it's prime minister indefinitely.
 
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"This ideology is an existential threat to Israel.

Zionist writer "Eyal Hanania" describes the Qassam soldiers' advance towards the Merkava as an existential threat *.

*When I see a Hamas fighter rushing towards the Merkava 4, which resembles a mythical steel monster, carrying his explosive device and blowing himself up inside it without the slightest hesitation, I admit that this ideology defeated the Merkava in this round and that it will be the greatest danger to our existence *."
 
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"New statistics revealed by the Israeli Chief of Staff

The number of Israeli soldiers killed is 6 thousand.

The number of injured soldiers reached 15 thousand.
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"New statistics revealed by the Israeli Chief of Staff

The number of Israeli soldiers killed is 6 thousand.

The number of injured soldiers reached 15 thousand.
"



Remember, these are figures they admit. The actual figures must be at least 3 or 4 times the figures they admitted.
 
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Cat is out of the bag. Expansion with brute force. trump demanding Arabs to take in Palestinians.


Trump says Palestinians should leave Gaza permanently as he meets with Netanyahu​

Kevin Liptak
By Kevin Liptak, CNN
7 minute read
Updated 6:07 PM EST, Tue February 4, 2025

Follow:

Donald TrumpSee your latest updates





US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Getty Images
CNN —
President Donald Trump said Tuesday he doesn’t think there is a permanent future for Palestinians in Gaza, saying the war-torn enclave is uninhabitable and that its residents have no choice but to leave for good.

Instead of their homeland, Trump suggested Gazans move to a new location provided by one or more nations in the Middle East.

“I mean they’re there because they have no alternative. What do they have? It is a big pile of rubble right now,” Trump said moments before hosting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for Oval Office talks.



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Trump’s suggestion that Gazans leave the strip permanently amounts to a provocative stance that will endear him to Israel’s most conservative politicians but is generally a non-starter for Israel’s neighbors, who have said they are unwilling to accept new Palestinian refugees from the enclave.

On Tuesday, Trump framed the matter as a humanitarian one, saying it was impossible to believe anyone would want to remain in the war-torn territory.

“Why would they want to return? The place has been hell,” Trump said, ignoring a reporter who cried out: “Because it’s their home.”

Instead of Gaza, he suggested the Palestinians be provided a “good, fresh, beautiful piece of land” to live.

But under repeated questioning, Trump made clear he did not see a world in which Palestinians ever return to Gaza.

“I don’t think people should be going back to Gaza. I think Gaza has been very unlucky for them.” He said, “Gaza is not a place for people to be living.”

Netanyahu, sitting alongside Trump in the Oval Office, smiled as Trump was speaking. The Israeli leader, under conflicting pressures domestically, was in Washington to ascertain exactly where Trump stands on the next phase of a ceasefire in Gaza.

But Trump’s dim views of Gaza as a permanent home for Palestinians was certain to provide grist for far-right allies of the Israeli leader, who have called on Netanyahu to abandon the temporary truce that was struck last month.

Netanyahu’s visit was expected to last several hours and include a joint press conference, all meant to demonstrate Trump’s solidarity with Israel.

The comity between the men could belie a relationship that’s more complicated than it sometimes appears – with nothing less than the future of the Middle East potentially riding on Trump’s words.

Trump has claimed credit for the hostages-for-ceasefire agreement struck in the days before he entered office – and even officials in the outgoing Biden administration acknowledged Trump’s imminent arrival helped apply pressure on Israel and Hamas.

Netanyahu, perhaps seeking to ingratiate himself to his host, praised Trump’s efforts.

“I think President Trump added great force and powerful leadership to this effort,” Netanyahu said in the Oval Office.

But for all of his prodding to get the deal inked, Trump will still need to oversee the remaining two phases of the three-phase plan. He didn’t sound particularly confident a day before meeting Netanyahu.

President Donald Trump speaks as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, left, and Commerce Secretary nominee Howard Lutnick listen as Trump prepares to sign an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in Washington.

President Donald Trump speaks as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, left, and Commerce Secretary nominee Howard Lutnick listen as Trump prepares to sign an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House, Monday, Feb. 3, 2025, in Washington.
Evan Vucci/AP
“I have no assurances that it’ll hold,” he said in the Oval Office, where he’d summoned reporters to watch him sign some papers. “And I’ve seen people brutalized. I’ve never - nobody’s ever seen anything like it.”

He sounded slightly more optimistic a day later.

“We’ll see what happens. We’re dealing with very complicated people, but a deal can absolutely get done,” he said alongside Netanyahu on Tuesday.

There’s plenty for Trump and Netanyahu to discuss beyond the immediate matter of the ceasefire agreement. There’s the question of Gaza itself, which Trump has previously said should be cleared out for rebuilding, with the Palestinians who live there moved to Egypt and Jordan (a topic of discussion likely to continue when Jordan’s King Abdullah visits the White House next week).

“I would like to see Jordan, I’d like to see Egypt take some,” Trump said again Tuesday, just before Netanyahu arrived. “Look, the Gaza thing has not worked. It’s never worked.”

And then there is the prospect of a broader normalization of relations between Israel and its Arab neighbors, principally Saudi Arabia, that former President Joe Biden had been pursuing before the October 7, 2023, attacks. Trump, who openly pines for a Nobel Peace Prize, may see his opportunity in such a pursuit, which could transform the entire Middle East and create a new bulwark against Iran, a common foe to Jerusalem and Riyadh.

A family rides in a horse-drawn cart past a destroyed mosque in Beit Lahia, Gaza, on January 29.

A family rides in a horse-drawn cart past a destroyed mosque in Beit Lahia, Gaza, on January 29.
Jehad Alshrafi/AP
Whether Netanyahu is interested in diplomacy – or whether he instead sees Trump’s arrival in Washington as a moment to take decisive action against Iran, potentially even taking out its nuclear program – remains to be seen.

There is already speculation Netanyahu could use the talks to take Trump’s temperature on a direct strike, seizing a moment when Iranian proxies have been decimated, Iran’s nuclear ambitions appear to be accelerating and while he has friendlier ties to Washington.

For his part, Trump has not sounded particularly enthusiastic about starting a new conflict with Iran.

“Hopefully that can be worked out without having to worry about it. It would really be nice if that could be worked out without having to go that further step,” he said last month when asked about a strike on Iranian facilities.

A complicated relationship​

By the end of Biden’s term, relations were so strained between the American and Israeli leaders that they went months without speaking, despite the ongoing war in Gaza and intensive efforts by Biden’s aides to broker a cease-fire.

In the lead-up to last November’s election, there was little question among Biden’s team that Netanyahu favored a Trump victory, believing he would enjoy a far wider remit from the American government to prosecute his war aims with Trump in office instead of then-Vice President Kamala Harris.

Those predictions have not been wrong.

Already, Trump has lifted a hold on heavy bomb deliveries to Israel, rolling back one of the few Biden-era policies meant to exert leverage on Israel amid its war in Gaza.

He could go even further this week. Netanyahu and his delegation plan to press Trump’s administration to move forward with billions of dollars in pending arms sales, including thousands of new bombs, missiles, artillery and other weapons, during this week’s visit.

While some of the items could take a year or more to produce, deliveries of the bombs would begin within the next few months.

If Trump goes ahead, it would represent a new level of support to Israel from the United States, and a signal of Trump’s willingness to indulge Netanyahu’s requests at a moment of deep uncertainty in the Middle East.

But while Trump is popular in Israel, and Netanyahu enthusiastically welcomed his return to the White House, things haven’t always been so cheerful.

People wave Israeli national flags as a military helicopter transporting four newly-released Israeli hostages lands at the Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, on January 25.

People wave Israeli national flags as a military helicopter transporting four newly-released Israeli hostages lands at the Beilinson Hospital in Petah Tikva, Israel, on January 25.
Yossi Zamir/AFP/Getty Images
When Netanyahu congratulated Biden on his election victory in 2020, Trump was enraged at what he saw as betrayal. In the months that followed, Trump accused Netanyahu of disloyalty and fumed to the esteemed Israeli reporter Barak Ravid, now a CNN analyst: “F**k him.”

Even three years later, after Hamas launched the worst terrorist attack in Israel’s history on October 7, 2023, it was clear Trump’s sore feelings hadn’t entirely faded.

“(Netanyahu) was not prepared. He was not prepared, and Israel was not prepared,” Trump said in an interview shortly after the attacks, comments that drew condemnation even from Republicans.

Netanyahu undoubtedly hopes the animosity will be forgotten when he visits on Tuesday. It seems almost certain his interactions with Trump will contain none of the open discord that colored his relationship with Biden in the final year of his presidency.

What is clear is Netanyahu’s desire to gather a wide range of opinions while he is in town. The prime minister is planning to remain in Washington well beyond his Tuesday talks with Trump. He arrived to Blair House, the presidential guest residence, late Sunday and is expected to stay until the end of the week, including for meetings on Capitol Hill.

For all of their vast differences, Trump and Biden do share a philosophy when it comes to engaging with their foreign counterparts: dealing directly is the best way to make progress.

Eight years ago, Trump’s first foreign guest at the White House was the United Kingdom’s then-Prime Minister Theresa May, whose visit may be best remembered for photographs of May and Trump clasping hands as they gingerly descended a ramp along the West Colonnade.

May’s early trip to Washington, designed in part to convince Trump not to withdraw from NATO, did not portend particularly warm ties for the rest of his term. He repeatedly criticized her handling of Brexit, although by the time May resigned from office they seemed to have patched things up.

With Netanyahu, however, Trump has an altogether more immediate task.

This story and headline have been updated with additional developments.


The forceful ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people from their ancestral homeland is an official policy of US today. But this time, they want other Arab/"Muslim" nations to be part of it.

Basically, they want to use face II of the agreed ceasefire to be the removal of the Palestinians from their lands, starting with Gaza.
 
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Yeah agree or don’t agree with the war and yes I may not fully agree with the war doesn’t mean I don’t think Hamas and other groups in Gaza have put the idf through the ringers and showed them that a group vastly outgunned and unmanned can put fear and put Israel society to a breaking point. 1 yeah Gaza is in rubble don’t disagree in the least 2 Hamas isn’t destroyed my god lol if anything they have added more to their ranks many of who were university students who had engineering degrees and will now use their knowledge in various areas to rebuild Hamas 3.0 have you not seen the thousands of armed men who have emerged 3 hammered Hezbollah agree do you really believe Hezbollah is going away do you really believe they aren’t coming out with plans to attack Israeli targets…it’s coming we all know that maybe not today but one day hezbolah now know they can’t parade above ground they have to go back to the shadows. Assad toppled thank god I don’t think Hamas should be credited with that turkey and Qatar have been setting that up for years.Iran has air defenses many I thought you were some kind of fake military analyst yes Israel found holes in irans air defenses not hard with a country that vast and doesn’t have America to supply constantly with military hardware Hezbollah took several iron dome batteries does that mean Israel’s air defenses were dismantled Israel was running out of interceptors at the end I guess Israel air defenses would have been gone as well. Here’s the last one let’s see they forcible push 2 million Palestinians from their lands honestly a guy who pretends to moral you tend to support many gestapo tactics as long as the “good guys are the ones committing it
 
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