PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Cool_Soldier]

We will see who’s proven right. Right now, you will have to be content with 20 J-10CEs. Barely a squadron.

I can understand your worry. The only option left for India is to pray that J-35 A deliveries would be delayed till IAF gets hands on 5th Generation Fighter Jet.

 

[BappaRawal25]

I can understand your worry. The only option left for India is to pray that J-35 A deliveries would be delayed till IAF gets hands on 5th Generation Fighter Jet.

why would we be worried? PLAAF has close to 300+ J20 in service, yet they have no plans to take any aggressive actions in Eastern Ladakh or Arunachal beyond low-level skirmishes. In fact, they came to terms with a border agreement just last year. It’s not like we forced their hands. I guess they know better than armchair enthusiasts.

 

[iblini]

J-35 wont come before the 2030s. It makes no sense for China to invest in another land based 5th gen fighter when they already have J20 to improve upon. For carrier operations, there is a requirement but will they make the structural modifications to convert it for land operations for one export customer? Seems to be far-fetched unless Pakistan has invested money in that process.

？first serial production jet is around the corner either this year or next at most, navy version also.

 

[Zarvan]

We will see who’s proven right. Right now, you will have to be content with 20 J-10CEs. Barely a squadron.

Who was the joker who told you that we have only 20 J 10 C . Mr you have no idea how many surprises we have for you.

 

[BappaRawal25]

Who was the joker who told you that we have only 20 J 10 C . Mr you have no idea how many surprises we have for you.

Unless Pakistan put up a follow-on order, this is what OSINT suggests

 

[Zarvan]

Unless Pakistan put up a follow-up order, this is what OSINT suggests

Not all orders are announced by us when it comes to deals with China and Turkey

 

[BappaRawal25]

Not all orders are announced by us when it comes to deals with China and Turkey

These documents were not published by your govt. they were leaked by R&AW associated hackers in 2021 itself.

 

[Migflug]

I just hope the induction of the J-35 by the PAF doesn’t push the IAF into a panic, resulting in yet another rushed procurement of a handful of emergency fifth-generation jets instead of AMCA indigenous development.

China has had the J-20 operational for nearly a decade, while we have remained complacent, relying on Rafale's silver bullet. Hopefully, the PAF’s J-35 induction won’t trigger yet another reactive, short-sighted emergency purchase.

 

[Zarvan]

These documents were not published by your govt. they were leaked by R&AW associated hackers in 2021 itself.

O acha you just proved my point plus also proved you have no clue about PAF and how we induct things. J 10 C number in use is way above 20.

 

[Deino]

O acha you just proved my point plus also proved you have no clue about PAF and how we induct things. J 10 C number in use is way above 20.

Really? Are they? We haven't seen a single additional - besides the anonymous one at Zhuhai - J-10CE at CAC or as rumoured at GAIC! As such it is surely not proven or is it based on the same believe that the PAF also secretly operates additional €F, F-16s, J-11. J-16 and JH-7A as claimed almost three years ago?

You know me and I'm the least who want any harm to Pakistan but a claim is just a claim and without a proof it remains a claim especially as long as there are not even hints supporting it.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Who was the joker who told you that we have only 20 J 10 C . Mr you have no idea how many surprises we have for you.

How many do you estimate are currently in the PAF fleet, initial and only known order so far was for 32 - 36 (somewhere around that?)

 

[Michael]

J10 C for Pakistan also appeared out of thin air in no time. So based on historical factors you are incorrect. You are talking about petty issues like construction of facilities. If a military cannot construct those facilities within a few days, I don't know what good it is for?

Pakistan military has a peculiar way of doing things. There are no red tapes for the military to navigate. There are reports of them transporting nuclear material disguised in ambulances and ordinary looking vans for ultimate stealth & secrecy. They can pull off stunts like that which no other military normally would.

If they want to do it, they will do it within a surprisingly tight time frame. You have to understand one thing, the probability of this happening within the exact given timeframe is exactly the same as it not happening. If they want to do it, they will get it done. Now none of us can judge what real decisions and intentions are? This all can very well be a diversion for the enemy and they might be hoping to acquire something else.

There are no "habits" and "historical factors" to look at here, all of us know this. It will remain a 50-50 probability till we get the actual outcome, any analysis would just be an analysis. J10C acquisition was announced on Dec 21 and inducted in march 22, within 3 months time. At that time also, many analysts said this can't be true. 3 years is a long time for them to induct 5th gen aircrafts.

1. The Pakistan Army's procurement methods are not peculiar and it continues to follow basic rules. The Chinese military operates on a completely different model from that of the West. China, in turn, is the main supplier of military equipment to Pakistan, which results in Pakistan's military procurement being slightly different from that of Western countries. But it still follows the traditional pattern.
The J-10CE did not come out of nowhere. In fact, PAF started approaching CAC for procurement of J-10 series fighters many years ago.

2, J-10CE is a 4th Gen fighter, its maintenance is not much different from JF-17. But 5th Gen fighters are totally different. the J-35 needs dedicated hangar parking.

3, 5th Gen fighter is an information node of the modern combat system, advanced command system is the nerve center, high-speed data chain is the connecting line. Leaving the data chain and command system of the 5th Gen fighter, its combat effectiveness is far lower than the 4th Gen fighter.
Of course, these infrastructures don't usually get much official press. As a result, it's hard to know what level of capability the PAF is at right now in this area.
“A-fire B-guidance” is an important signature capability of the high-speed bi-directional data link for operational use. We know that the J-10C+PL-15 combination has this capability. However, PAF has not yet demonstrated this capability with the J-10CE+PL-15E combination. Some sources suggest that the JF-17B3 also has this capability, but we have not seen PAF actually demonstrate this capability either.
“A-fire B-guidance”. The “A” here is the fighter, and the wider the range of the “B” here, the wider the use of the high-speed two-way data link, and the greater the capability of the advanced command system.

4. Many of the tactical capabilities demonstrated by PLAAF's J-10C are not demonstrated by PAF's J-10CE. I'm not sure if this is an adjustment PAF made when customizing the J-10CE? Or PAF's current base platform is difficult to support? Anyway, we need to see further. With what PAF has shown so far, PAF is currently only just entering the threshold of the 4th Gen fighter platform, and there is still a long way to go with the 4.5th Gen fighter platform.
At this stage of PAF, the 5th Gen fighter platform is still just a dream. Even if PAF gets the J-35 right away, it can only use it as a 4th Gen fighter and cannot utilize the capabilities of the J-35.
It's like, I bought a HUAWEI Mate XT phone and took it to Balochistan, Pakistan to use it. What do you think I can do with this state of the art phone?

 

[SABRE]

These documents were not published by your govt. they were leaked by R&AW associated hackers in 2021 itself.

I wouldn't bet on RAW's info. Like many "other" spy agencies in the region it is more inclined toward covert ops and counter-intel then info espionage and info analysis. However, number of military assets on both sides - except for nukes, of course - is fairly well estimated in the open-sources.

 

[Ak01]

1. The Pakistan Army's procurement methods are not peculiar and it continues to follow basic rules. The Chinese military operates on a completely different model from that of the West. China, in turn, is the main supplier of military equipment to Pakistan, which results in Pakistan's military procurement being slightly different from that of Western countries. But it still follows the traditional pattern.
The J-10CE did not come out of nowhere. In fact, PAF started approaching CAC for procurement of J-10 series fighters many years ago.

2, J-10CE is a 4th Gen fighter, its maintenance is not much different from JF-17. But 5th Gen fighters are totally different. the J-35 needs dedicated hangar parking.

3, 5th Gen fighter is an information node of the modern combat system, advanced command system is the nerve center, high-speed data chain is the connecting line. Leaving the data chain and command system of the 5th Gen fighter, its combat effectiveness is far lower than the 4th Gen fighter.
Of course, these infrastructures don't usually get much official press. As a result, it's hard to know what level of capability the PAF is at right now in this area.
“A-fire B-guidance” is an important signature capability of the high-speed bi-directional data link for operational use. We know that the J-10C+PL-15 combination has this capability. However, PAF has not yet demonstrated this capability with the J-10CE+PL-15E combination. Some sources suggest that the JF-17B3 also has this capability, but we have not seen PAF actually demonstrate this capability either.
“A-fire B-guidance”. The “A” here is the fighter, and the wider the range of the “B” here, the wider the use of the high-speed two-way data link, and the greater the capability of the advanced command system.

4. Many of the tactical capabilities demonstrated by PLAAF's J-10C are not demonstrated by PAF's J-10CE. I'm not sure if this is an adjustment PAF made when customizing the J-10CE? Or PAF's current base platform is difficult to support? Anyway, we need to see further. With what PAF has shown so far, PAF is currently only just entering the threshold of the 4th Gen fighter platform, and there is still a long way to go with the 4.5th Gen fighter platform.
At this stage of PAF, the 5th Gen fighter platform is still just a dream. Even if PAF gets the J-35 right away, it can only use it as a 4th Gen fighter and cannot utilize the capabilities of the J-35.
It's like, I bought a HUAWEI Mate XT phone and took it to Balochistan, Pakistan to use it. What do you think I can do with this state of the art phone?

As much as i disagree with these rumours, your post is also full of untruths showing that you are talking about matters way above your paygrade... i would advise you stick to discussing the PLAAF because you really, really have no clue about the workings of the PAF.

 

[PakAl]

As much as i disagree with these rumours, your post is also full of untruths showing that you are talking about matters way above your paygrade... i would advise you stick to discussing the PLAAF because you really, really have no clue about the workings of the PAF.

Paf has mastered 4th generation planes, even proved it. We are certainly ready for 5th generation warfare