PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

Since Chinese military terminology has a lot of specific terms and they are often difficult to translate correctly by translation software, I can only make a few attempts, but I can't be sure that these will be understood correctly by my friends on the PDF.

1, Maintenance issues of stealth fighters.
China's currently known stealth fighters (J-20/J-35A/two new toys) all utilize completely different stealth technologies. the J-20 requires a relatively low hangar environment, we see tons of J-20's parked in improvised hangars, and even they are parked in the open air.
The J-35A's official briefing specifically emphasizes its extreme stealth capabilities. In the exposed photos, we also found that it has the phenomenon of coating peeling off. So, we determined that it needs a special hangar environment to park.
This is a very large maintenance expense for PAF. Special hangars, regular coating changes, very precise maintenance operations ......

2. The concept of modern warfare
I will use Chinese military doctrine to analyze it.
China's modern warfare doctrine emphasizes five areas.------侦.控.打.评.保

Please note! There may be problems with the following translations!
侦---侦察---侦察是指通过各种手段获取敌方或目标的信息,包括情报收集、监视和侦测等,以便为后续的军事行动提供准确的信息支持。 Reconnaissance is the acquisition of information about an enemy or target by various means, including intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance, in order to provide accurate information to support subsequent military operations.
控---控制---控制是指在侦察的基础上,对目标进行实时监控和管理,确保信息的准确性和及时性,以便在需要时能够迅速做出反应。 Control refers to the real-time monitoring and management of targets based on reconnaissance to ensure the accuracy and timeliness of information so that a rapid response can be made when needed.
打---打击---打击是指根据侦察和控制获取的信息,对敌方目标进行精确打击,包括火力打击、导弹攻击等手段。 Strike refers to precision strikes against enemy targets based on information obtained by reconnaissance and control, including fire strikes, missile attacks and other means.
评---评估---评估是指在军事行动结束后,对行动的效果进行总结和评价,包括战斗损失、任务完成情况等方面的评估。 Assessment refers to summarizing and evaluating the effects of a military operation at its conclusion, including combat losses, mission accomplishment, and other aspects of the operation.
保---保障---保障是指为军事行动提供必要的后勤支持,包括物资供应、医疗救治、通信保障等,确保军事行动的顺利进行。 Security refers to the provision of the necessary logistical support for military operations, including the supply of materials, medical treatment, communications security, etc., to ensure the smooth conduct of military operations.

This combat doctrine is a coordinated three-dimensional operation covering all aspects of all-round combat, including land, low-altitude, high-altitude, space, surface and underwater. Fighter aircraft are only one component of this tactical model. This modern combat theory is based on an advanced military information network.

Let me give you an example.

Iran launches a large number of ballistic missiles to attack Israel. Many of the missiles missed their targets. At the same time, Iran itself is not entirely sure of the actual effectiveness of the strikes. This is the result of the lack of modern military information networks.
If Iran could have tracked these missiles in real time and reconnoitered the target area in real time, probably, it would have taken only 1 to 3 missiles to destroy a certain target. And, this can be confirmed by immediately releasing real-time images.

Early. People took pictures of reconnaissance with cameras on reconnaissance planes. Upon the return of the reconnaissance aircraft, the film was removed, developed, and then carefully analyzed and labeled by a senior professional before being handed over to the commander.
Later. Reconnaissance satellites and drones became available. The intelligence they generate is analyzed and labeled by professionals in the rear and passed on to commanders.
Now. A large amount of data generated by various reconnaissance equipment is transmitted back to the command center in real time through a high-speed military data chain, which is automatically analyzed and labeled by a large-scale computer, combined with other intelligence and the commander's orders, and transmitted in real time to the terminals of the front-line soldiers. ......

Times have changed!

@Michael
I have heard that J35 will be manufactured in current facility of SAC and New plant is for 6th Gen and will be ready in few years (Production Plant, not the Jet). Do you have any update because the source of this information is not very reliable.
 
@Michael
I have heard that J35 will be manufactured in current facility of SAC and New plant is for 6th Gen and will be ready in few years (Production Plant, not the Jet). Do you have any update because the source of this information is not very reliable.
The SAC relocation project is not a small one. Basically, the entire SAC will be completely relocated. There are many reasons for this. They are currently working on Phase 1 of the relocation project, with Phase 2, Phase 3, etc. to follow until they are finally completely relocated.

SAC is a conglomerate type company under AVIC.
Its 601 Design Institute is the design organization for the J-35. 601 Design Institute has its own independent pilot plant. 601 Design Institute is also responsible for the design of the “New Toy”, and the “New Toy” that came to light also came from this pilot plant.

The mass production of the J-35 will be carried out by SAC's Factory 112, which is also the predecessor of SAC. It is an equal and collaborative enterprise with the 601st Design Institute.

China regulates “production, academics and research” in different industries at different times. Sometimes they are forced to separate, sometimes they are forced to merge. Currently the fighter industry is in a state of separation of the three. They are centrally regulated and balanced by AVIC.

As for the production of the 6th Gen fighter, there is still a long way to go.
 
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ZHUHAI AIRSHOW - FULL OF SURPRISES PART 1​

  1. Zhuhai airshow - full of surprises Part 1


By Andreas Rupprecht
17th January 2025
NEWS



Andreas Rupprecht appraises the fighters on display at the Zhuhai Airshow, an event that was full of surprises

The 2024 China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition – better known as the China or Zhuhai Airshow – took place from November 12 to 14, in Zhuhai, Guangdong province. This biennial event was eagerly awaited by aviation enthusiasts and analysts from all around the globe as well as the general public. They were not disappointed, as all the well-known Chinese manufacturers exhibited, and as is now customary, all three branches of the People’s Liberation Army: the Army Aviation (PLA), Naval Aviation (PLAN NA) and the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) showed off their latest systems both in spectacular flight as well as extensive static displays. Foreign traders were also present, and a special focus was the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS).

According to Chinese sources, almost 600,000 people visited the airshow, and contracts worth a total of over 280 billion yuan (almost US$39bn) were signed.

The Zhuhai Airshow is special because it is the only international airshow that takes place in mainland China, plus China tends to be reserved and secretive when it comes to military news. Plus, this event is usually used to publicise new equipment and often reveals major surprises.

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Shenyang Aircraft Corporation J-35A’s unveiling of the PLAAF’s newest stealth fighter was a major surprise. Wearing a prominent ‘75’ on its tails to commemorate the PLAAF’s 75th anniversary, this was the second J-35A to appear during the show. It differed from the first example by having a pivot-type mechanism for its horizontal tail (compared to hinge-type stabilators) and had different engines Chinese internet

Shenyang J-35A – the ‘Shining Dragon’

The undisputed star and in some ways the biggest surprise was the unveiling of the PLAAF’s newest stealth fighter, Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) J-35A. Wearing a prominent ‘75’ on its tails to commemorate the PLAAF’s 75th anniversary, it wore only PLAAF markings but no visible numbers.

The J-35 is so far only officially known as the PLAN’s new naval fighter for the new aircraft carrier Fujian. At least three, possibly two more, prototypes have been in testing since October 2022. At the show it was presented by the PLAAF rather than by AVIC or SAC. Consequently, it was confirmed what had only been rumoured for about a year based on blurry photos and social media reports. The PLAAF is not only actively involved in the J-35 program but will allegedly put the aircraft into service before PLAN NA. This means that the J-35A medium-sized stealth fighter – previously unofficially known as the J-31 – will officially become the second stealth fighter in PLAAF service as the ‘Shining Dragon’ (Yàolóng) after the J-20 ‘Mighty Dragon’ (Weˉilóng), a counterpart to the American F-35.

The J-35A evolved from SAC’s private venture development and the very first demonstrator – then often referred to as the FC-31 (V1) – was shown at Zhuhai ten years ago. Initially the PLAAF was not particularly interested due to its preference for the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation’s J-20 but over the years it slowly evolved via the FC-31 (V2) finally to the naval J-35. In fact, it was the first public appearance of that type and two clearly different prototypes were shown.

Since March 2021 it was rumoured that a dedicated land-based variant was being developed – initially expected to be an export variant – as the J-31 without arresting hook and folded wings with an overall smaller wing. In addition, it features a single-wheel nose gear and an EOTS (Electro-Optical Targeting System) underneath the nose and – like the J-20 – several small polygon-shaped EODAS (Electro-Optical Distributed Aperture System) windows around the fuselage. Allegedly, the prototypes are still powered by WS-21 turbofan engines, which are improved WS-13 engines, before the WS-19 are ready.

That secret program gained public attention, when in March 2022 an airframe was rumoured to have been transported to the 623 Institute for static tests. According to credible sources, the first J-35A prototype performed its maiden flight on September 26, 2023. At least three prototypes seem to currently be in testing and the two flown separately on different days of the 2024 Zhuhai Airshow differed not only in a redesigned mechanism to steer their stabilators/horizontal tails – one with a pivot-type while the second most likely later prototype a hinge-type mechanism but also in their exhausts. It wasn’t clear if the new WS-19 was in use or the older WS-13E. The aircraft is rumoured to be entering service for operational evaluation (Opeval) with the PLAAF as soon as 2025, ahead of its naval counterpart, which remains in test.

Otherwise, there is currently lots of noise in certain forums, that the Pakistan Air Force is the first export customer for that type and will be getting them “soon”. In the author’s opinion any date before 2028 – aka after OPEVAL was concluded and it entered PLAAF service in a frontline unit – would be more than surprising. On the other hand, an export variant could, for the first time, be a 5th generation fighter in addition to the US F-35. So, with the flying display consisting only of a single flyby with afterburner, followed by an unrestricted climb to exit, it was not possible to draw a conclusion, but time will tell.
Andreas Rupprecht
 
Let me share my personal opinion about the PAF's purchase of the J-35 and the timing of the J-35's arrival at the PAF.

The Pakistani military has a habit of releasing news of new weapons purchases to achieve certain goals, but eventually they are seriously delayed or canceled. Based on historical factors, I have reservations about “J-35 coming soon”. It is entirely possible that this “coming soon” could be 10 or 20 years. Of course, it could also be 3 or 5 years. It is even possible that PAF will not buy the J-35 in the end. in any case, it is an uncertainty.

The news that PAF is going to buy J-35 is already known to the world. So, there is also a lot of news about it, which makes it hard for us to recognize the truth of these news.

In fact, there are some simple methods we can use.

1. Air force base construction. (Usually may be in the core base of PAF)
They include new specialty hangars, new communications facilities, new maintenance facilities ...... And, of course, a new command center, but it's unlikely we'll get any news about it.
If the PAF is set on procuring the J-35, then construction of these new facilities will have begun 2-3 years or more before the J-35 arrives at the PAF. If there is no movement at the airbase at the moment, then the J-35 is unlikely to be “coming soon”.

2. Military information infrastructure modifications.
These include a new generation of military datalinks, a new military satellite communications system, a new ground radar system ......
It is unlikely that we know the details of this part, but we can analyze them through some non-direct news.

These are all must-haves for the 5th Gen fighter and they need to be ready before the J-35 arrives.

Google earth's satellite imagery has a history back feature. We can look at satellite images of certain Air Force bases at various times before and after the acquisition of 5th Gen fighters. This will allow us to learn a lot.

J10 C for Pakistan also appeared out of thin air in no time. So based on historical factors you are incorrect. You are talking about petty issues like construction of facilities. If a military cannot construct those facilities within a few days, I don't know what good it is for?

Pakistan military has a peculiar way of doing things. There are no red tapes for the military to navigate. There are reports of them transporting nuclear material disguised in ambulances and ordinary looking vans for ultimate stealth & secrecy. They can pull off stunts like that which no other military normally would.

If they want to do it, they will do it within a surprisingly tight time frame. You have to understand one thing, the probability of this happening within the exact given timeframe is exactly the same as it not happening. If they want to do it, they will get it done. Now none of us can judge what real decisions and intentions are? This all can very well be a diversion for the enemy and they might be hoping to acquire something else.

There are no "habits" and "historical factors" to look at here, all of us know this. It will remain a 50-50 probability till we get the actual outcome, any analysis would just be an analysis. J10C acquisition was announced on Dec 21 and inducted in march 22, within 3 months time. At that time also, many analysts said this can't be true. 3 years is a long time for them to induct 5th gen aircrafts.
 
J10 C for Pakistan also appeared out of thin air in no time. So based on historical factors you are incorrect. You are talking about petty issues like construction of facilities. If a military cannot construct those facilities within a few days, I don't know what good it is for?

Pakistan military has a peculiar way of doing things. There are no red tapes for the military to navigate. There are reports of them transporting nuclear material disguised in ambulances and ordinary looking vans for ultimate stealth & secrecy. They can pull off stunts like that which no other military normally would.

If they want to do it, they will do it within a surprisingly tight time frame. You have to understand one thing, the probability of this happening within the exact given timeframe is exactly the same as it not happening. If they want to do it, they will get it done. Now none of us can judge what real decisions and intentions are? This all can very well be a diversion for the enemy and they might be hoping to acquire something else.

There are no "habits" and "historical factors" to look at here, all of us know this. It will remain a 50-50 probability till we get the actual outcome, any analysis would just be an analysis. J10C acquisition was announced on Dec 21 and inducted in march 22, within 3 months time. At that time also, many analysts said this can't be true. 3 years is a long time for them to induct 5th gen aircrafts.
Mr . Michael is entitled to his pedantry .
 
J-35 wont come before the 2030s. It makes no sense for China to invest in another land based 5th gen fighter when they already have J20 to improve upon. For carrier operations, there is a requirement but will they make the structural modifications to convert it for land operations for one export customer? Seems to be far-fetched unless Pakistan has invested money in that process.
 
J-35 wont come before the 2030s. It makes no sense for China to invest in another land based 5th gen fighter when they already have J20 to improve upon. For carrier operations, there is a requirement but will they make the structural modifications to convert it for land operations for one export customer? Seems to be far-fetched unless Pakistan has invested money in that process.
I would say you’re under a rock but that would be an understatement. Please go check the J-31/35 pages to see where progress stands with images as proof.
 
I would say you’re under a rock but that would be an understatement. Please go check the J-31/35 pages to see where progress stands with images as proof.
We will see who’s proven right. Right now, you will have to be content with 20 J-10CEs. Barely a squadron.
 

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