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Oscar said:
If they were smarter - they would have tapped TATA and other manufacturers that do clay modeling and mockups to ask who they use and THEN put this together.
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Thats not how GoI employees think. And DRDO / HAL etc are still old school GoI employee. They are old british mindset folks. They protect any work like their land. Quality and time is secondary.
This is what happens when your customer is forced to buy what you make. You stop bothering about details and only care about what is essential.
 
Indos said:
For me, it is likely the one, but some Indian members dont agree. The design is also put on the OEM official twitter account.

Changing plane design is not so simple as fanboys think. It needs years of wind tunnel testing for the design to be confirmed. Just like KF21 dont have meaningful design change, just the plane get a bit bigger from the design completed in December 2012.

USA can make major design change when they develop F22, but USA is already in another leageu. China also make major design change for J35, but it took one decade to do so.
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You certainly are not aware of HAL and their glorious Sitara program.

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BLOODY HELL! They have renamed it!!! :rofl: You cannt make this shit up!!! :rofl:. They are calling it "Yashas" meaning "Glory" or "Fame"! :rofl:
 
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AjayGhatak said:
You certainly are not aware of HAL and their glorious Sitara program.

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BLOODY HELL! They have renamed it!!! :rofl: You cannt make this shit up!!! :rofl:. They are calling it "Yashas" meaning "Glory" or "Fame"! :rofl:
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Sitara is Yashas?
 
Indos said:
For me, it is likely the one, but some Indian members dont agree. The design is also put on the OEM official twitter account.

Changing plane design is not so simple as fanboys think. It needs years of wind tunnel testing for the design to be confirmed. Just like KF21 dont have meaningful design change, just the plane get a bit bigger from the design completed in December 2012.

USA can make major design change when they develop F22, but USA is already in another leageu. China also make major design change for J35, but it took one decade to do so.
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No it is not. It’s from 2020

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That’s the latest iteration

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As I have said before it was an RCS model for orange facility.
 
Oscar said:
Sitara is Yashas?
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They renamed it! LOL!

People make fun of Tejas for being late. Tejas is nothing in front of Sitara. Its HJT-36 Sitara aka Yashas, a subsonic trainer jet was designed in 1997 by HAL. Its .... development is EXPECTED to be complete in 2026.

30 year! To make a .... subsonic.... trainer..... jet! Thats India's HAL for you!

This project had, NO engine to make. No Radar to make. No complex control laws to make. Just basic subsonic jet.

I believe they changed engine requirement 2 or 3 times. They got spin control wrong 2 or 3 times. The jet now has nothing in common with jet in 1997. Its HAL learning how to make a subsonic jet as if. LOL!
 
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AjayGhatak said:
They rename it! LOL!

People make fun of Tejas for being late. Tejas is nothing in front of Sitara. Its HJT-36 Sitara aka Yashas, a subsonic trainer jet was designed in 1997 by HAL. Its .... development is EXPECTED to be complete in 2026.

30 year! To make a .... subsonic.... trainer..... jet! Thats India's HAL for you!

This project had, NO engine to make. No Radar to make. No complex control laws to make. Just basic subsonic jet.
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I’d say the real problem isn’t HAL itself but the Indian bureaucrats.

India developed the HAL HJT-16 and HJT-32 trainers back in the 1960s, but what came next? HAL Marut was developed in the 1960s-70s, yet it took them over 50 years to come up with the HAL HLFT-42.

The issue isn’t a lack of capability in aircraft development—it’s the absence of proper planning and execution."
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
I’d say the real problem isn’t HAL itself but the Indian bureaucrats.

India developed the HAL HJT-16 and HJT-32 trainers back in the 1960s, but what came next? HAL Marut was developed in the 1960s-70s, yet it took them over 50 years to come up with the HAL HLFT-42.

The issue isn’t a lack of capability in aircraft development—it’s the absence of proper planning and execution."
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I have no idea what goes in that place. But I believe if a bunch of hobbyists had decided, they could have made a working subsonic jet in 20 years.
 
AjayGhatak said:
They rename it! LOL!

People make fun of Tejas for being late. Tejas is nothing in front of Sitara. Its HJT-36 Sitara aka Yashas, a subsonic trainer jet was designed in 1997 by HAL. Its .... development is EXPECTED to be complete in 2026.

30 year! To make a .... subsonic.... trainer..... jet! Thats India's HAL for you!

This project had, NO engine to make. No Radar to make. No complex control laws to make. Just basic subsonic jet.

I believe they changed engine requirement 2 or 3 times. They got spin control wrong 2 or 3 times. The jet now has nothing in common with jet in 1997. Its HAL learning how to make a subsonic jet as if. LOL!
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I remember talking to a HAL senior engineer related to the project (he was in the design team) when asked (obviously in nice words) how come you guys are unable to develop and operationalize a subsonic trainer (this was just after the stall test failure), his response was it was a great learning experience and we learnt what design mistakes not to make
Like MF you spent 100s of millions (in direct and indirect costs) on "learning experience" Oh and the best part he now works for Lockheed Martin and is a US citizen along with his Son and DIL.

I know many Indian members will not like what I am going to say but the truth is Indian public Defence Sector employs a bunch of low IQ (relatively speaking) boomer retards whose "learnings" are bank rolled by the tax payers in form of failed projects (the likes of Tapas, HJT 36, Hansa, etc are proof)
These engineers are picked from tier 3 colleges based on some bullshit exam and painstakingly taught the relevant knowledge and skills by bankrolling their failures and inability to perform, a process that cost ungodly amount of money
 
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Faceless said:
I remember talking to a HAL senior engineer related to the project (he was in the design team) when asked (obviously in nice words) how come you guys are unable to develop and operationalize a subsonic trainer (this was just after the stall test failure), his response was it was a great learning experience and we learnt what design mistakes not to make
Like MF you spent 100s of millions (in direct and indirect costs) on "learning experience" Oh and the best part he now works for Lockheed Martin and is a US citizen along with his Son and DIL.

I know many Indian members will not like what I am going to say but the truth is Indian public Defence Sector employs a bunch of low IQ (relatively speaking) boomer retards whose "learnings" are bank rolled by the tax payers in form of failed projects (the likes of Tapas, HJT 36, Hansa, etc are proof)
These engineers were and are picked from tier 3 college based on some bullshit exam and painstakingly taught the relevant knowledge and skills by bankrolling their failures and inability to perform, a process that cost ungodly amount of money
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Its a symptom of something else.

India spends its defence capital on state employment generation schemes. Ask our resident expert @Joe Shearer . Its basically a more costly MGREGA. MGREGA pays villagers to dig ditches, sometimes for no reason. Likes of HAL have project which are just paying some shoddily educate folks money so that they do not go on strikes.
 
it looks nice as any 5th gen plane, real question is are given timeline for introduction into service is realistic and achievable.
 
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