Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates

[j_hungary]

They might prolong war and bleed further but without any prospects of victory without western material and financial support, so why waste lives in vain without chances to obtain any acceptable outcome by military means?
You know this very well and ask yourself why you cheer in your post for continuation of war which can not be won now.

THERE ARE NO VICTORY FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE WAR. THE WAR IS GOING TO END IN NEGOTIATION. This is what I had said in the beginning in 2022

Russia can't win this war by taking Kyiv, as much as Ukraine can't win this war by recovering all their territories.

I speak about the factual situation, I want the war to end just like anyone, but in reality, what had either side done to make the other side concede to their demand? None. Russia failed to take even Donbas and Ukraine failed in to counter their objective.

For two countries to talk there HAS TO BE A REASON TO, I see no reason whatsoever from both Ukrainian side and Russian side to end this war in their term, because Russian aren't threatening enough to make Ukraine drop their bid on NATO, and Ukraine aren't able to recover their lost land unless EU or US directly help Ukraine. If there are no compromise, the fight continues, it's that simple.

 

[j_hungary]

Does the IMF measure GDP growth in national currencies ? And then how to compare them with each other ?

The key word is "COMPARE THEM WITH EACH OTHER"

again, we aren't talking about compaing Russia to US or UK or whichever country, we are (At least I am)talking about the economic ramification IN RUSSIA with the RUSSIAN inflation rate and interest rate. When all of the parameter is domestic, it's pointless to talk about how much PPP there were and 1 USD can last longer in Russia. Yes, all those are true but we ain't talking about that.

 

[j_hungary]

Измеряет ли МВФ рост ВВП в национальных валютах? И как их потом сравнивать между собой?

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Feb 21, 2025

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

THERE ARE NO VICTORY FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE WAR. THE WAR IS GOING TO END IN NEGOTIATION. This is what I had said in the beginning in 2022

No $ Sherlock!

Johnson helped scrap the deal at its very onset.
What did HE offer the joker of kyiv?
Retrieve all lands and then some?
Take away monetary and weapons support and the shell of state called Ukraine collapses, without much assistance from Russia.
so, the question is, Is Russia closer to its declared goals or Z-man?

 

[j_hungary]

No $ Sherlock!

Johnson helped scrap the deal at its very onset.
What did HE offer the joker of kyiv?
Retrieve all lands and then some?
Take away monetary and weapons support and the shell of state called Ukraine collapses, without much assistance from Russia.
so, the question is, Is Russia closer to its declared goals or Z-man?

Russia can't take 20% of Ukrainian land in 3 years, so you tell me what they are closer to?

And taking away my head and my foot I can also be as skinny as a supermodel. That kind of talk is pointless.

You want talks to end in your favor, try taking more Ukrainian land first, instead of getting counter invaded LMFAO

What a stupid argument.........

 

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[j_hungary]

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He want to know what Ukrainian is dying for??

Why don't he just go ask the Ukrainian??

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Russia can't take 20% of Ukrainian land in 3 years, so you tell me what they are closer to?

And taking away my head and my foot I can also be as skinny as a supermodel. That kind of talk is pointless.

You want talks to end in your favor, try taking more Ukrainian land first, instead of getting counter invaded LMFAO

What a stupid argument.........

Remember hungary... decision for Ukraine is being made outside Ukraine without input from the joker... who is made to sign off his minerals to the US and lost territories to Russia.

Now continue with your long winded concoctions...

 

[j_hungary]

Remember hungary... decision for Ukraine is being made outside Ukraine without input from the joker... who is made to sign off his minerals to the US and lost territories to Russia.

Now continue with your long winded concoctions...

LOL, what a stupid assertion.

When someone come to your home with guns, do you just roll over and say "Please take everything you want"?

No, you get your gun and fight them, I mean if you want to be a snug and literally have your family raped in front of you and to submit to it, that's you. You can't put your own cowardness and project it on everyone.

The decision for Ukraine to fight is simple, you attack me, I defend myself, and as long as you keep attacking me, I keep defending myself, and if you cannot grasp this simple idea, then I cannot help you.

 

[Aziqbal]

LOL, what a stupid assertion.

When someone come to your home with guns, do you just roll over and say "Please take everything you want"?

No, you get your gun and fight them, I mean if you want to be a snug and literally have your family raped in front of you and to submit to it, that's you. You can't put your own cowardness and project it on everyone.

The decision for Ukraine to fight is simple, you attack me, I defend myself, and as long as you keep attacking me, I keep defending myself, and if you cannot grasp this simple idea, then I cannot help you.

Wait let me guess you also support Israel

 

[j_hungary]

Wait let me guess you also support Israel

Wait let me guess.........Oh wait, I don't actually care what you think

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

LOL, what a stupid assertion.

When someone come to your home with guns, do you just roll over and say "Please take everything you want"?

No, you get your gun and fight them, I mean if you want to be a snug and literally have your family raped in front of you and to submit to it, that's you. You can't put your own cowardness and project it on everyone.

The decision for Ukraine to fight is simple, you attack me, I defend myself, and as long as you keep attacking me, I keep defending myself, and if you cannot grasp this simple idea, then I cannot help you.

Again with your concocted narrative hungary!
In this case, the house or property was partially inhabited by neighbors fam...
Anyhow, US gave those weapons to defend and took your possessions and put a new mortgage on the place... you think you own it? The rest was taken by the fam next door... ouch J!

 

[mulj]

Talk about a burn...
Where does EU fall in all of this... what about NATO?
Were rare Eaths the only motive, which by the way are NOT proven deposits.

Let freedom ring in Ukraine... well 50% for now!

He has point nato is irrelevant now military, europe will either adapt and go within its own way or it can hope that future american presidents will be more lenient towards them or to accept second or third tier status in world affair for at least couple of decades .

 

[KingQamaR]

They were without US help since April 2024. As I said, no aid bill passed since April 17, 2024.

The issue here is, can Russia be put into a position that they can dictate term in a talk, currently there are no position to talk, I mean would you be surrendering your country demand if the enemy just manage to take 20% (again, 11 of those are pe-occupied before the war) would you concede anything to your enemy when they manage small progress in the last 3 years?

The key to the matter is can Ukraine ride out the next 4 years for Trump's term to end or 2 years if Dem retake both houses, to negotiate a better condition, at this point Russia is not a threat big enough to dictate term, again, realistically the only thing Russia can ask at this point are two things if there is a talk.

1.) Exchange Kursk with other occupied region outside Donbass (so exchange Kursk with Kharkiv Salient, Kherson south of Dnieper river and the rest of Zaporizhya

2.) Ukraine to vacate Donbass and Russian take them all.

1 is reasonable, Ukraine can say screw you and come and take it for 2

You can't go ask Ukraine to drop NATO bid if you have issue taking Donbass, because that had to threaten the Ukrainian Administration directly to do it. Nor can you ask for an administration change when you only manage to take 20% of a country.

I don't know what will happen in the next 4 years, (or 2), but at this point, it's a fact that there is no point to talk.

Trump is giving Russia everything they want.


There is no negotiation.


Russia hasn't budged on anything:


No NATO membership


Not giving any territory held


Sanctions to be lifted


What a master negotiator this guy is

 

[mulj]

THERE ARE NO VICTORY FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE WAR. THE WAR IS GOING TO END IN NEGOTIATION. This is what I had said in the beginning in 2022

Russia can't win this war by taking Kyiv, as much as Ukraine can't win this war by recovering all their territories.

I speak about the factual situation, I want the war to end just like anyone, but in reality, what had either side done to make the other side concede to their demand? None. Russia failed to take even Donbas and Ukraine failed in to counter their objective.

For two countries to talk there HAS TO BE A REASON TO, I see no reason whatsoever from both Ukrainian side and Russian side to end this war in their term, because Russian aren't threatening enough to make Ukraine drop their bid on NATO, and Ukraine aren't able to recover their lost land unless EU or US directly help Ukraine. If there are no compromise, the fight continues, it's that simple.

Ok, both will be victorious if you like that wat, Ukraina will survive as any kind of state and Russia will seize all teritorries it aimed for plus strategic military control over what remains of free Ukraina,