Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates

[j_hungary]

There was a security agreement included with the Budapest Memorandums.

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That was not ratified by congress.......

Constitution Check: Does a 1994 diplomatic agreement commit the U.S. to defend Ukraine?

Lyle Denniston looks at the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 deal between the U.S., Britain and Russia about Ukraine, which wasn’t ratified by the U.S. Senate but may become a factor in the crisis there.

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Zelenskyy asking this one would be before they talked percentage.

I mean it's quite straight forward no? If you want the REM, you talk about what you can actually give me instead of you talk what you want then you satisfy my end of the deal, US wanted the REM, Ukraine does not, and they can sell it to EU if they come up with something similar. That's just business if Trump want it to turn into business.

 

[Flotilla]

the US agrees to dropping unreasonable demands. unacceptable to Ukraine.
now Ukraine will sign off the deal.

Zelenski = Yanukovich

 

[Viet]

New deal (not approved yet) inserted a clause of Security Guarantee with negotiation of percentage as per ABC news.

yes, without US security guarantees Ukraine will be forever at the mercy of the russians. Europe can’t provide security to Ukraine.

 

[j_hungary]

yes, without US security guarantees Ukraine will be forever at the mercy of the russians. Europe can’t provide security to Ukraine.

I will say this.

Europe need to wake up and not depends on the United States to protect them, that much is true, actually truer than it ever was.

Ukraine would need a NATO membership to be safe, just US guarantee mean nothing because if ever another trump got elected that mean global insecurity.

 

[Soldier35]

The video shows the strikes of FPV drones "Vandal" on the Ukrainian tank T-72M1, near the settlement of Bogatyr, west of Kurakhovo. T-72M1 is an export version of the Soviet tank T-72. Tanks were produced and used by the Warsaw Pact countries in the Middle East, they were also used by Finland. Judging by the video, the T-72M1 tank was attacked by several FPV drones "Vandal", after which the tank was abandoned by the crew.

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[Viet]

I will say this.

Europe need to wake up and not depends on the United States to protect them, that much is true, actually truer than it ever was.

Ukraine would need a NATO membership to be safe, just US guarantee mean nothing because if ever another trump got elected that mean global insecurity.

that’s impossible. Europe has no unified army. I think only UK and France. can defend themselves because they have nukes, their armies are in constant readiness. the rest is helpless without US army.

Germany only has one army division: the 10th panzer army.
that’s too little.

in terms of mobilisation Viet Nam gov can mobile 1 million men tomorrow.
in Germany or Europe that will take months if not years. by then the russians would overrun Poland, Czech and reach Berlin.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That was not ratified by congress.......

Constitution Check: Does a 1994 diplomatic agreement commit the U.S. to defend Ukraine?

Lyle Denniston looks at the Budapest Memorandum, a 1994 deal between the U.S., Britain and Russia about Ukraine, which wasn’t ratified by the U.S. Senate but may become a factor in the crisis there.

www.yahoo.com

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Zelenskyy asking this one would be before they talked percentage.

I mean it's quite straight forward no? If you want the REM, you talk about what you can actually give me instead of you talk what you want then you satisfy my end of the deal, US wanted the REM, Ukraine does not, and they can sell it to EU if they come up with something similar. That's just business if Trump want it to turn into business.

Regardless, Ukraine transferred the nukes to Russia. Russia subsequently violated the terms and the US is hiding behind the "Senate never ratified" excuse.

Ukraine has every right to be both skeptical and distrustful of any agreement negotiated between the US and Russia. It's already been on the losing end once.

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

Instead of telling me I am very bad in economics. Tell me what I said is wrong, otherwise it is not going to be true just because you said so.

GDP and inflation have different calculation systems. GDP is measured in dollar equivalent and inflation in relative units. At 100% inflation, the price of a product doubles during the year, while its price in dollars remains the same. And the quantity of the product for the year increased by 4% at 100% inflation. And how do these figures relate to each other?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Under drone attack from the heroes of the motherland point of view:

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[j_hungary]

Regardless, Ukraine transferred the nukes to Russia. Russia subsequently violated the terms and the US is hiding behind the "Senate never ratified" excuse.

Ukraine has every right to be both skeptical and distrustful of any agreement negotiated between the US and Russia. It's already been on the losing end once.

As they said, if you have nuke, you should keep them.

That goes back to some news I read a couple of weeks ago, Zelenskyy seems okay for Ukraine to go Nuclear if NATO bid felt thru. Bear in mind they already had the know how with previously being a nuclear country. I honestly don't see how they will fail to become a nuclear state if some country is willing to supply Uranium or Plutonium

 

[mulj]

They were without US help since April 2024. As I said, no aid bill passed since April 17, 2024.

The issue here is, can Russia be put into a position that they can dictate term in a talk, currently there are no position to talk, I mean would you be surrendering your country demand if the enemy just manage to take 20% (again, 11 of those are pe-occupied before the war) would you concede anything to your enemy when they manage small progress in the last 3 years?

The key to the matter is can Ukraine ride out the next 4 years for Trump's term to end or 2 years if Dem retake both houses, to negotiate a better condition, at this point Russia is not a threat big enough to dictate term, again, realistically the only thing Russia can ask at this point are two things if there is a talk.

1.) Exchange Kursk with other occupied region outside Donbass (so exchange Kursk with Kharkiv Salient, Kherson south of Dnieper river and the rest of Zaporizhya

2.) Ukraine to vacate Donbass and Russian take them all.

1 is reasonable, Ukraine can say screw you and come and take it for 2

You can't go ask Ukraine to drop NATO bid if you have issue taking Donbass, because that had to threaten the Ukrainian Administration directly to do it. Nor can you ask for an administration change when you only manage to take 20% of a country.

I don't know what will happen in the next 4 years, (or 2), but at this point, it's a fact that there is no point to talk.

They might prolong war and bleed further but without any prospects of victory without western material and financial support, so why waste lives in vain without chances to obtain any acceptable outcome by military means?
You know this very well and ask yourself why you cheer in your post for continuation of war which can not be won now.

 

[j_hungary]

GDP and inflation have different calculation systems. GDP is measured in dollar equivalent and inflation in relative units. At 100% inflation, the price of a product doubles during the year, while its price in dollars remains the same. And the quantity of the product for the year increased by 4% at 100% inflation. And how do these figures relate to each other?

First of all, GDP is not measured in dollar equivalent. It was measured by the gross output in terms of your value, it could be Rouble, it could be USD, it could be Yuan, since they are interchangabe

Second of all, the gap between USD and local currency only applies IF YOU COMPARE A LOCAL CURRENCY TO THE UNITED STATES. In Russia, 1 rouble is still 1 rouble, it does not matter if you are talking about 177 trillion Rouble or 2 trillion USD GDP, it's the same if you are comparing it locally. You aren't spending USD in Russia, and US don't spend Rouble.

 

[j_hungary]

that’s impossible. Europe has no unified army. I think only UK and France. can defend themselves because they have nukes, their armies are in constant readiness. the rest is helpless without US army.

Germany only has one army division: the 10th panzer army.
that’s too little.

in terms of mobilisation Viet Nam gov can mobile 1 million men tomorrow.
in Germany or Europe that will take months if not years. by then the russians would overrun Poland, Czech and reach Berlin.

That is the exact reason why EU is more inclined to send money and equipment to Ukraine than having to face Russia themselves.

EU military power does not actually exist, and they probably had realise it by now when US is wavering with NATO responsibility. Meaning they will have to change their concept of peace in Europe and factor out American involvement as you cannot depends on a good day when US elected a pro-EU president everytime to come to your rescue. That mean the entire European Defence Network has to change, and they can't change in the next 5 to 10 years

Which mean the only way they can actually deal with any threat from Russia now is to basically help Ukraine to deal with them, because when Russia is in Ukraine they can't be at anywhere else, the Russian won't have the power to do anything else when everything got blogged down in Ukraine, they will need to support Ukraine to keep the threat at least temporary out of Mainland Europe before they can have the capability to do anything.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Talk about a burn...
Where does EU fall in all of this... what about NATO?
Were rare Eaths the only motive, which by the way are NOT proven deposits.

Let freedom ring in Ukraine... well 50% for now!

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

Во-первых, ВВП не измеряется в долларовом эквиваленте. Он измерялся валовым выпуском в терминах вашей стоимости, это может быть рубль, это может быть доллар США, это может быть юань, так как они взаимозаменяемы.

Во-вторых, разрыв между долларом США и местной валютой применяется только ЕСЛИ ВЫ СРАВНИВАЕТЕ МЕСТНУЮ ВАЛЮТУ С ВАЛЮТОЙ США. В России 1 рубль по-прежнему 1 рубль, имеет значение, говорите ли вы о 177 триллионах рублей или 2 триллионах долларов ВВП, это то же самое, если вы сравниваете это локально. Вы не тратите доллары США в России, и США не тратят рубли.

Измеряет ли МВФ рост ВВП в национальных валютах? И как их потом сравнивать между собой?

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