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Born American? A Look at 'Birthright Citizenship'​

ANALYSIS
By Richard Samuelson
February 23, 2025


The key is the precursor being the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to all persons born in the United States "not subject to any foreign power," excluding foreign citizens kids, tourist kids, and only lack of foreign citizenship born or naturalized (brought in on slave boats as property w/o foreign citizenship) being former slaves became US citizens. The legislative switch from "not subject to any foreign power" to "subject to the jurisdiction thereof [the United States]" is like a Venn diagram with mutually exclusive complements.

The 1866 Civil Rights Act ancestor of the 14th Amendment written a few months prior is hugely critical excluding children of foreign citizens kids born in the US being subject to another country. I do not understand why the article excluded this legal point which is would be critical in SCOTUS overturning US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) establishment of birthright citizenship for all.
 
Sharma Ji said:
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This Christian convert fled Iran, and ran into Trump's deportation policy

Converting was colossally risky. While Christians born into the faith are free to practice, Iran's Shariah laws state that abandoning Islam for another religion is considered blasphemy, punishable by death. Some members of her Bible-study group were arrested.
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@Lulldapull
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most asylum cases are trumped up and rather economic cases.

The message is crystal now.......stay in your country and don't come here.

Nobody cares about 'christians' out west.
 
Lulldapull said:
most asylum cases are trumped up and rather economic cases.

The message is crystal now.......stay in your country and don't come here.

Nobody cares about 'christians' out west.
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Freebie sniffing kallus and desis ka game khallas.

Good job, Trump.. that's how you do it !

I sapport his deportation of illegal Hindustani illegals 💯
 
j_hungary said:
Oh, I just get what you said (sorry, was 10 am and my head still hurt) You were saying something like this video in Afghanistan happened in Mexico?

I don't know, maybe, but I doubt that, using A-10 or F-15 Strike Eagle is too high profile, Mexico is not Afghanistan, it's still a mobile phone society and that also applies to cartel, if US is using heavy ordinance that the Mexican don't have then you would suppose they are going to film it and put it on the internet, just to mess with us in the congress. I mean you can't make an A-10 disappear from ingress to egress, if you have to come down at 200 ft and using that 30 mike-mike, someone outside the blast zone is going to see it and film it.

Most ops in the area as far as I know are either co-op ops between DEA and Mexican Fed, or some small fraction of Direct Action, never heard of conventional action like that you say, but then Mexico is a very big country anything is possible.
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I heard otherwise and yes Mexico is a big country and our border with them is not small.
 
Davey Crockett said:

Born American? A Look at 'Birthright Citizenship'​

ANALYSIS
By Richard Samuelson
February 23, 2025


The key is the precursor being the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to all persons born in the United States "not subject to any foreign power," excluding foreign citizens kids, tourist kids, and only lack of foreign citizenship born or naturalized (brought in on slave boats as property w/o foreign citizenship) being former slaves became US citizens. The legislative switch from "not subject to any foreign power" to "subject to the jurisdiction thereof [the United States]" is like a Venn diagram with mutually exclusive complements.

The 1866 Civil Rights Act ancestor of the 14th Amendment written a few months prior is hugely critical excluding children of foreign citizens kids born in the US being subject to another country. I do not understand why the article excluded this legal point which is would be critical in SCOTUS overturning US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) establishment of birthright citizenship for all.
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This is a flawed system - because it’s exploited MOSTLY for the power of the US passport. I personally know people who travelled to the US while pregnant and gave birth only to return and never look back.

You need to deserve the credibility by living here - paying taxes and so on before your children deserve a passport.

That doesn’t mean some of these birth tourism kids don’t return and don’t become tax paying good citizens but to use an Islamic concept - they did it by taking what could have been someone else’s right - an extreme sin.

Maybe their statistic influenced an actual green card lottery quota for someone truly deserving of it from a particular country or maybe an asylum seeker.

This is the problem - when you have loopholes available that have impacts elsewhere and then lead to a dent on the true benefits of immigration the US has enjoyed as a country. You’re basically putting stains on the “exceptionalism” by not being selective.
 
Oscar said:
I heard otherwise and yes Mexico is a big country and our border with them is not small.
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I don't know, as I said, it's just not seems possible as this will be very high profile.
 
Oscar said:
This is a flawed system - because it’s exploited MOSTLY for the power of the US passport. I personally know people who travelled to the US while pregnant and gave birth only to return and never look back.

You need to deserve the credibility by living here - paying taxes and so on before your children deserve a passport.

That doesn’t mean some of these birth tourism kids don’t return and don’t become tax paying good citizens but to use an Islamic concept - they did it by taking what could have been someone else’s right - an extreme sin.

Maybe their statistic influenced an actual green card lottery quota for someone truly deserving of it from a particular country or maybe an asylum seeker.

This is the problem - when you have loopholes available that have impacts elsewhere and then lead to a dent on the true benefits of immigration the US has enjoyed as a country. You’re basically putting stains on the “exceptionalism” by not being selective.
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Well, both jus sanguinis and jus soli have their merit and flaw. If you look at it this way, people who are born by blood may not pledge the same allegiance as people who birth by soil. So you can't really banish an entire group of people just because of someone who, as you said, abandoned their citizenship. I personally would prefer by blood rather than by soil by the way.

The issue here is, that was written in the 14 amendments, this is not that easy to overturn, almost slim to none
 
j_hungary said:
Well, both jus sanguinis and jus soli have their merit and flaw. If you look at it this way, people who are born by blood may not pledge the same allegiance as people who birth by soil. So you can't really banish an entire group of people just because of someone who, as you said, abandoned their citizenship. I personally would prefer by blood rather than by soil by the way.

The issue here is, that was written in the 14 amendments, this is not that easy to overturn, almost slim to none
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The issue with born of citizens vs not is that one is a given for any country in the world - i.e descendants come with the status quo of the nation.

The other part is an addition - so if they’re good for the country it’s great and you’re adding to the great- but if they’re bad then you adding to the bad already here from criminal whites,blacks,asians,hispanics and so on.

Whats happening today is an extreme step because most Americans have been numbed with constant media barrages and amplified visibility of immigrants due to policies of decades.

There is Trumps solution - there is Musk’s wannabe Nazism - then there is a balance that is needed to be returned.

What that elusive formula is unknown and beyond to me - but to give you the idiotic nature of blue states - in my state harassment can be claimed by any identity if another reasonable person of that SAME identity says so too. In other words - someone who claims to be a transgender space cat can find me wearing a navy blue shirt in front of them offensive and get another person claiming to be a transgender space cat to say yes it’s offensive and I am now an accused criminal.

So an illegal here can be given status - and then accuse you of harassment if you use the word illegal in ANY context and get another illegal to testify.

Instead of allowing habeas corpus - having additional witnesses or opinions - you’re lowering the bar for cancel culture and ruining lives.
 
Lulldapull said:
Indians getting thwarted at the moat........returning home now:

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I asked this question as joke, to almost all kind of Americans... White, Liberals, Black, Latino, LGBT, Hard core Republican, Hard core Demo, Immigrant, even guys who just came out of Military services, and all have given me the exact same Answer, that American Dream died long time ago... at least they have consensus on this topic.
 
Starlord said:
I asked this question as joke, to almost all kind of Americans... White, Liberals, Black, Latino, LGBT, Hard core Republican, Hard core Demo, Immigrant, even guys who just came out of Military services, and all have given me the exact same Answer, that American Dream died long time ago... at least they have consensus on this topic.
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Its harder now getting a good job. Inflation is truly the highest its ever been. Living in tri-state area, LA, Miami, Chicago is not cheap bhai.

I just find it ridiculous that Mexico having a per capita of what $10k, they still jump the fence and now its really them getting mass deported.

Mexican per capita is 10 times higher than ours in Pakistan.
 
Starlord said:
I asked this question as joke, to almost all kind of Americans... White, Liberals, Black, Latino, LGBT, Hard core Republican, Hard core Demo, Immigrant, even guys who just came out of Military services, and all have given me the exact same Answer, that American Dream died long time ago... at least they have consensus on this topic.
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Well I'm doing pretty well but there are 2 things that screwed the American Dream

1) College tuition putting new graduates into huge debt..this is the biggest CRIME
2) Institutions buying housing as rental investments

My college debt was about 100% of my salary of my first entry level job out of college.
 
Oscar said:
The issue with born of citizens vs not is that one is a given for any country in the world - i.e descendants come with the status quo of the nation.

The other part is an addition - so if they’re good for the country it’s great and you’re adding to the great- but if they’re bad then you adding to the bad already here from criminal whites,blacks,asians,hispanics and so on.

Whats happening today is an extreme step because most Americans have been numbed with constant media barrages and amplified visibility of immigrants due to policies of decades.

There is Trumps solution - there is Musk’s wannabe Nazism - then there is a balance that is needed to be returned.

What that elusive formula is unknown and beyond to me - but to give you the idiotic nature of blue states - in my state harassment can be claimed by any identity if another reasonable person of that SAME identity says so too. In other words - someone who claims to be a transgender space cat can find me wearing a navy blue shirt in front of them offensive and get another person claiming to be a transgender space cat to say yes it’s offensive and I am now an accused criminal.

So an illegal here can be given status - and then accuse you of harassment if you use the word illegal in ANY context and get another illegal to testify.

Instead of allowing habeas corpus - having additional witnesses or opinions - you’re lowering the bar for cancel culture and ruining lives.
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First of all, it's VERY Dangerous to alter Habeas Corpus. Because that is the grand clause for ALL federal law, if you alter habeas corpus, the concept of Federal Body does not exist because they have no right to your body. That's the same on anything inside our Constitution.

On the other hand, as I said, I am pro-blood born, instead of soil born, (So i prefer the Australian way of Natural Citizen instead of the American way) and I think the concept of Jus Soli is outdated, but again, it's different because one group of people does not encompass all other, I can equally show you how many people leeching the system once they become American by naturalisation, by literally importing everybody to America, but I would not think that is a bad clause for Jus Sanguinis, the same way I wouldn't think those people who abandoned their citizenship are a bad clause for Jus Soli. As I said, that is a constitutional issue, if enough people in the state and enough state and both houses agree, then we should change it, that is it needed that to change our constitution, otherwise using executive order to challenge the constitution WILL create constitutional crisis.

About the law, Not sure which harassment law you were talking about, DA can't prosecute if there is not a genuine case of harassment, ie, you had to have done something other than just saying bad things (like Trans is bad or whatever or calling people name) Criminal Code for Harassment is generally associated with illegal activities, such as stalking physical assault or physical threat), but then it different slightly from state to state. But I am not aware of any state would allow criminal prosecution for Harassment solely just by verbally harassing people again, given if you had not stalk the person.

If we are talking about civil, the civil code of harassment is a lot lower, which you only have to show the intent to harass, even picketing outside someone home can be considered civil harassment. Again, not knowing which state you are in, I cannot comment further.
 
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