Why Secularism will Worsen Pakistan’s security situation

[PakAl]

And you assume this is a case for secularism, how?
Did Rashidun Caliphate allow such impunity to any group?

In fact the very first group that did takfir became enemy number one, called Khawarij, not cause celebre for secularism.
So the metastasis you are championing also provides cover for those who do takfir on others!

The khawarij were tolerated, they even went to war with the Sahaba RadiAllah anhu. War took against them when they openly declared Hazrat Ali RadiAllah anhu as kafir nouzbillah, they then waged a war against him, this is when the state decided they need to be finished off.

 

[PakAl]

Gents check da news trump sahb and satanyahu preparing to launch a massive attack on Irani nuke facilities.

If Iran falls it will totally destabilize our western front and tear us apart as a nation.

We will turn into another Syria or Iraq in no time.

There is no shortage of jahil mercenary CIA jihadists to do what’s been done to Syria Libya or Iraq.

Hard to believe nobody sees how dangerous the situation is becoming daily on our western front.

Al-Qaeda/ ISIS and ten other foreign funded terrorist groups are active throughout the Middle East and Central Asia.

If Iran falls they will move into our region and cripple whatever little bit we got left functioning in our country.

Only educated jahils will support a war against Iran, Pakistan will face chaos, you cannot progress when your regions is destabilised.

 

[_Arabia_]

Secularism or no secularism, if your population is not ignorant and well-educated in general and in terms of Islam, the Islamic heritage will be reflected within the state and population through acts and evidence on the ground. A state is after all nothing more than a collection of individuals.

In KSA you can leave your house, cars etc. open and nobody will dare to steal or rob. Alcohol could become legal tomorrow (by the state) yet still almost everyone will refrain from drinking due to their Islamic upbringing.

There could be 1000 new restaurants serving pork, locals would still not buy it.

There are many so-called Islamic states out there that are only Islamic in name just like there are secular states out there that have better Islamic principles and more law and order than Islamic states.

Pakistan does not become less or more of a mess regardless what the regime/people in power decides to call itself.

If there is good it will be reflected by the people and if there are ills they will be reflected as well. As a collective the state of the overall society will be reflected in this way.

 

[Lulldapull]

Only educated jahils will support a war against Iran, Pakistan will face chaos, you cannot progress when your regions is destabilised.

Yaar if Iran falls we will get dismantled in no time. Whole Afghanistan is jahil jungli people they’ll go invade Iran and the CIA Kurdish will do their thing and balochi terrorists theirs……

It will unravel us as a nation and we won’t be able to cope.

All this religion and dramay will become meaningless.

Yahuday will forcefully takeover everything in two minutes in Iran. Which is their goal.

It will be a disaster.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Pakistan never became an Islamic country. Pakistanis have altered the definition of Islam. True Islam is what the Islamic State imposed in Iraq and Syria, or what Al-Qaeda, Jaish e Muhammad types propagated.

 

[PakAl]

Our leadership is a bunch of traitors. Zia ul Huq started this trend of selling our ghareeb for money and pittin them against each other like animals.

It’s the ultimate betrayal of trust.

Our society never had sectarianism nor violence and now it’s business as usual.

They’ve allowed this to happen by listening to the west and selling out our own people.

Absolute disgrace.

Religion is a business now in our country.

Zia was lobbied by the USA and Saudi Arabia to use jihadis against Russia in Afghanistan. Pakistan rulers received billions, they allowed new islamic literature to enter freely, quran translation, jihadi brainwasing. Do you know we had big protests and fatwas in Pakistan by big Islamic scholars to not do this. Zia replied "Mullahs do not understand that we need this war".

And today the same secular corrupt elite is blaming scholars for this fitna. The rulers created a monster and now pointing fingers.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan never became an Islamic country. Pakistanis have altered the definition of Islam. True Islam is what the Islamic State imposed in Iraq and Syria, or what Al-Qaeda, Jaish e Muhammad types propagated.

If you can be a hindutva extremist, and others can be Zionists and white supremacists why the hell should we be secular liberal cucks

We need to be old school Muslim zealots to deal with our enemies effectively

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

If you can be a hindutva extremist, and others can be Zionists and white supremacists why the hell should we be secular liberal cucks

We need to be old school Muslim zealots to deal with our enemies effectively

real Islam is what the Islamic State propagates. Islam won’t harm a non-Muslim country; it will always harm a Muslim country. That’s why I gave the example of Islamic State.

 

[mythbuster]

Secularism or no secularism, if your population is not ignorant and well-educated in general and in terms of Islam, the Islamic heritage will be reflected within the state and population through acts and evidence on the ground. A state is after all nothing more than a collection of individuals.

In KSA you can leave your house, cars etc. open and nobody will dare to steal or rob. Alcohol could become legal tomorrow (by the state) yet still almost everyone will refrain from drinking due to their Islamic upbringing.

There could be 1000 new restaurants serving pork, locals would still not buy it.

There are many so-called Islamic states out there that are only Islamic in name just like there are secular states out there that have better Islamic principles and more law and order than Islamic states.

Pakistan does not become less or more of a mess regardless what the regime/people in power decides to call itself.

If there is good it will be reflected by the people and if there are ills they will be reflected as well. As a collective the state of the overall society will be reflected in this way.

Don't know the Saudis you are talking about ......I have been hanging out with Saudis in London and newyork , regular in their prayers and yet one the most hardcore party goers I have ever come across

 

[Lulldapull]

Zia was lobbied by the USA and Saudi Arabia to use jihadis against Russia in Afghanistan. Pakistan rulers received billions, they allowed new islamic literature to enter freely, quran translation, jihadi brainwasing. Do you know we had big protests and fatwas in Pakistan by big Islamic scholars to not do this. Zia replied "Mullahs do not understand that we need this war".

And today the same secular corrupt elite is blaming scholars for this fitna. The rulers created a monster and now pointing fingers.

I’ve read in Assad durranis book that Bhutto was against our involvement in Afghanistan during hafiz Ulla Amin /Taraki time and China told Bhutto to not get involved in CIA games and then Bhutto sahb got hanged and this CIA agent Zia fresh from killing Palestinians in Jordan was propped up into power by Kissinger.

What followed is a text book case of why you should never sell your country out no matter what the consequences. And for us the consequences have been devastating to say the least.

You can read it in his book.

 

[_Arabia_]

Don't know the Saudis you are talking about ......I have been hanging out with Saudis in London and newyork , regular in their prayers and yet one the most hardcore party goers I have ever come across

The vast majority. You can ask any expat or person living in KSA and they will tell you the same thing.

You have been "hanging out" with 1-2 (let us say 5 for the sake of it) young students abroad in the West and somehow they are now reflective and not the actual status quo and ground reality on the ground (in KSA)?

There are Muslims in the West (of every single background) that party and do what you are alluding to. From my experience (I have travelled and lived across several European states), Saudi Arabians (Yemenis as well) are those that do it the least compared to everyone else. Together with Egyptians. Don't get me started on Iranians, Turks, Pakistanis etc. Most of your women in the West don't even wear hijab from my experience. They dress like Indians in the West. The Afghans in the West are mostly degenerates from my experience as well and heavily involved in the drug scene. A lot of "Christian" Afghans as well. Same thing with Kurds.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Remind me what happened to the first four Caliphs?

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The vast majority. You can ask any expat or person living in KSA and they will tell you the same thing.

You have been "hanging out" with 1-2 (let us say 5 for the sake of it) young students abroad in the West and somehow they are now reflective and not the actual status quo and ground reality on the ground (in KSA)?

There are Muslims in the West (of every single background) that party and do what you are alluding to. From my experience (I have travelled and lived across several European states), Saudi Arabians (Yemenis as well) are those that do it the least compared to everyone else. Together with Egyptians. Don't get me started on Iranians, Turks, Pakistanis etc. Most of your women in the West don't even wear hijab from my experience. They dress like Indians in the West. The Afghans in the West are mostly degenerates from my experience as well and heavily involved in the drug scene. A lot of "Christian" Afghans as well. Same thing with Kurds.

If Pakistan genuinely wanted to be an Islamic state, it should have adopted Arabic as its national language and replaced all Hindu traditions in the country with Arab traditions. The truth is, they never truly wanted to be seen as an Islamic state on the global stage. They recognize the pride associated with being Hindu and Indian, knowing that India and Hinduism are powerful identities, whereas Islam and Arab is not.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Only religion can make Pakistan a strong force, bring unity and Brotherhood. Our rulers haven't got a clue about religion and people here pointing fingers at religion, the Islamic extremism is funded by foreign nations, our elite recieved billions to close their eyes.

Why are “foreign powers” so easily able to use religion to divide the country?

Should you not unite behind a philosophy that is not so easily manipulated?

What is your plan beyond wishful thinking?

 

[PakAl]

Secularism or no secularism, if your population is not ignorant and well-educated in general and in terms of Islam, the Islamic heritage will be reflected within the state and population through acts and evidence on the ground. A state is after all nothing more than a collection of individuals.

In KSA you can leave your house, cars etc. open and nobody will dare to steal or rob. Alcohol could become legal tomorrow (by the state) yet still almost everyone will refrain from drinking due to their Islamic upbringing.

There could be 1000 new restaurants serving pork, locals would still not buy it.

There are many so-called Islamic states out there that are only Islamic in name just like there are secular states out there that have better Islamic principles and more law and order than Islamic states.

Pakistan does not become less or more of a mess regardless what the regime/people in power decides to call itself.

If there is good it will be reflected by the people and if there are ills they will be reflected as well. As a collective the state of the overall society will be reflected in this way.

Saudi Arabia is an educated effective society, if it takes 1 year to make a change in Saudi Arabia, it will take 30 years in Pakistan. This is why we cannot implement effective changes.