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Well bummer. I was interested to see all the stuff they have in that catalogue, not just the Fakkour. Maybe there's a copy of it saved somewhere!
Greetings

I have the complete catalogue backed up, *but* as luck would have it, only for 2013-16.

And it does not yet include an entry on Fakour.

Nevertheless, I can upload the rest of this catalogue to my drop box a/c if you would want to take a peek.

Piet
 
50 Km maximum range??? That's out of the question!
 
50 Km maximum range??? That's out of the question!
50 Km maximum range??? That's out of the question!
I agree fully.

That is just about the range of an AIM-7E2.

And given its proven ability to track a small target in a heavily polluted EW environment, I cannot see such a missile doing just 50km.

The Fakkour-90B will of course start out having an ARH to start out with.

So, can anyone tell me what this 'smaller' missile is in this Dei-9 setup?



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By way of possible comparison, a bog-standard Dei-9 has a L=3.8m, D= 25cm and W= ~240kg.

The PL-15E below have folding rear fins.


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So, the smaller 'Dei-9' can resort to foldable mid-body wings to spread the cheer to more IRIAF fighters.

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https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/sea-sparrow-rim-7-3d-1688032

Piet
 

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It has different versions. A, B, C......

Thank you.

Do you perhaps have more info on the -C model.

The A should refer to the current Fakour-90, the -B to the latest one apparently sporting ARH, but I have no idea about the C model.

Thanks

Piet
 
The first pictures of Su-35 are probably very close to being seen first in civilian videos then press will take pictures, this is certain the Su-35 will come in a short time now considering the Yak-130 pictures

IRIAF will make no unveiling and let people photograph Su-35 or satellite images

I hope Su-57 are also ordered for a delivery in close future
 
If Trump offers Putin enough of the good stuff like unfreezing the Kremlins funds all over the world, allows Putin to seize the assets of countries that 'stole' from it, like luxury yachts etc., I would be nervous right now if I was Iran.

As you mentioned, Russia has done this to Iran three times already, with a 4th time likely on its doorstep.

The only possible exception that I see is if these two leaders agree that Russia supply, and continue to supply, 'vanilla' versions of arms to Iran.

This would enable Russia to save face viz-a-viz its current and future arms customers.

BUT, by doing this, the supply of 'vanilla' arms to Iran would likely ignite a rush for modern US arms to be sold all over the region up there. Thus, increased US exports, increased employment, increased funds flowing in, content voters and general populace, and last but not least, increased US control of what purchasers of its arms may or may not do with these.



Yup - you snooze you lose.

Piet.

Iran arms itself or not, regional countries will continue arming themselves because for one simple reason .... They can! Not the thread for it, but Iranian strategic-level military doctrine is obsolete as Iranian leadership is still stuck in merging national security with diplomacy while everyone else moved to more modern peace through power doctrine. Countries are arming themselves like crazy with more and more lethal tech, all the while they are still part of the global community. Iran checked itself out from all of this long ago. Israel won't stop filling their bases with more and more F-15, F-35s armed with newer and newer ALBMs. PGCC won't stop, Turkey won't stop importing western tech even with its massive debts. Iranian leadership failed to modernise their thinking.

- They decided to use the nuclear program as a bargaining chip in "talks" instead of weaponizing it and moving on decades ago. You do not put your own security or lifeline on the table as a bargaining chip when talking to a much superior enemy. They learnt nothing from Iraq, Syria, Libya.
- They refused to understand that Russia and China wont support them so they have to find alternatives for tech. I wrote above about Russian betrayals towards Iran for 35 years now. Russia looked for its own, Iran did not.
- They killed IRIAF to the point that we are now cheering an AT firing an export version sidewinder in "Air-Drills" featuring 50 years old airframes. In a real war these AT's wont even survive two mins against the actual enemy in air. Another PR stunt.
- They refused to import key TOT/LP which other countries chased like fighter and supersonic CM engines, airborne radars, armament combat suites etc. Instead, corruption ran rampant, Supreme leader+Majles were fooled into funding cash pit meaningless or dare I say fake projects in combat aviation.

Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
Qaher - not a single flyable airframe (Fake project) in 13 years.
IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
F-14AM program - 2 exists.
F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
Fakour-90 BVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

List goes on and on.
 

This is a 12-15 years old data of I-Hawk driven AIM-23 Sejjil inside AIM-54 body. The first attempt by Iran to use AIM-54 aerodynamics with everything else of Shahin/Shalamche Missile of Mersad/kamin Airdefence system. Thats pre Fakour-90 design which uses different motor, body, seeker, ECCM altogether. Two different products of two different eras. BT wrote that even the firing tests of Fakour are done to 70+ KM in Jamming environment against Shahed-171 (lowest possible RCS). The max range of the missile might be somewhere like 140-160 KM.
 
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Iran arms itself or not, regional countries will continue arming themselves because for one simple reason .... They can! Not the thread for it, but Iranian strategic-level military doctrine is obsolete as Iranian leadership is still stuck in merging national security with diplomacy while everyone else moved to more modern peace through power doctrine. Countries are arming themselves like crazy with more and more lethal tech, all the while they are still part of the global community. Iran checked itself out from all of this long ago. Israel won't stop filling their bases with more and more F-15, F-35s armed with newer and newer ALBMs. PGCC won't stop, Turkey won't stop importing western tech even with its massive debts. Iranian leadership failed to modernise their thinking.

- They decided to use the nuclear program as a bargaining chip in "talks" instead of weaponizing it and moving on decades ago. You do not put your own security or lifeline on the table as a bargaining chip when talking to a much superior enemy. They learnt nothing from Iraq, Syria, Libya.
- They refused to understand that Russia and China wont support them so they have to find alternatives for tech. I wrote above about Russian betrayals towards Iran for 35 years now. Russia looked for its own, Iran did not.
- They killed IRIAF to the point that we are now cheering an AT firing an export version sidewinder in "Air-Drills" featuring 50 years old airframes. In a real war these AT's wont even survive two mins against the actual enemy in air. Another PR stunt.
- They refused to import key TOT/LP which other countries chased like fighter and supersonic CM engines, airborne radars, armament combat suites etc. Instead, corruption ran rampant, Supreme leader+Majles were fooled into funding cash pit meaningless or dare I say fake projects in combat aviation.

Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
Qaher - not a single flyable airframe (Fake project) in 13 years.
IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
F-14AM program - 2 exists.
F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
Fakour-90 BVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

List goes on and on.
Can i ask which stealth ALCM mock-up you are refering to? And if it's not too much, could you perhaps make a list of the planned/intended purchases and licence deals Iran was planning but never materialized from the 1990s to date? The order for 48 MiG-29 and 24 MiG-31 is pretty well known, but seems to have been more attemps afterwards, such as 24 MiG-31BM in 2001, and if i'm not mistaken i think various Antonov and other russian civilian or dual purpose (other than An-140) planes in the 2000s (both outright buy and licences, such as AN-148 and Tu-204). Also iirc around/after 2015 there was talk of Su-30SM and Yak-130 but of course nothing came of it back then. This being just what i can remember.
 

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