Why Secularism will Worsen Pakistan’s security situation

[Sharma Ji]

Pakistan is literally a secular country. what is so Islamic about Pakistan???

Nope, non Muslims are barred from the highest offices of the land there.

Also officially an 'Islamic Republic', isn't it ?

What secular ?

 

[Lulldapull]

This obsession with Arab identity is more pronounced among Punjabi Muslim converts, as they experienced repeated colonization by Afghans, Turks, Iranians, and Arabs, who plundered their lands. A brief period of relief came during the rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, who not only protected the wealth and women of Punjabi Muslims from the predatory Afghan Pashtun forces but also avenged the deaths of their ancestors.

Bhai you are accusing Arabs here of crimes who never came to punjab let alone plunder anything or anyone in the Punjab because they never went there to begin with…..lol

Arabs once in a blue moon event came to sindh and they never stayed longer than a week or a month if that at all never did nothing unusual either.

@Arabia will correct you here shortly.

This plunder and rape you’re talking about is all afghani and central Asian savages doing to yous and even the iranis are far too civilized to do anything nasty like you claim…..lol

 

[MH.Yang]

How would you suggest Pakistan go through a gradual process?

By covertly reigning in on the mullah class and bringing them under state control and more strictly monitoring religious education in formal and informal settings?

The issue here unfortunately is that Pakistan relies on Islamism as the core of its identity to unite a diverse population, but at the same time political Islamism is backwards in a competitive geopolitical world because it rejects the concepts of nations and pushes for pan-Muslimism which is totally unrealistic. Every country works for its own interests. This identity flaw breeds extremism right at the grass roots and influences their mentality/worldview right from young.

Are there any political parties in Pakistan that want to choose the path of Gaddafi's early days? Stabilize the regime by controlling the army. Recruit the descendants of local tribal elders into the army to weaken tribal forces and strengthen the control of the central government. Establish a large number of state-owned enterprises to monopolize the country's wealth and weaken the financial power of local forces. Increase social welfare substantially to gain popular support. Formation of production and construction corps composed of different tribes to go to different provinces to open up land, which can break up tribal settlements, accelerate integration, strengthen the control of the central government, and gain a lot of income and good infrastructure. And so on.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Bhai you are accusing Arabs here of crimes who never came to punjab let alone plunder anything or anyone in the Punjab because they never went there to begin with…..lol

Arabs once in a blue moon event came to sindh and they never stayed longer than a week or a month if that at all never did nothing unusual either.

@Arabia will correct you here shortly.

This plunder and rape you’re talking about is all afghani and central Asian savages doing to yous and even the iranis are far too civilized to do anything nasty like you claim…..lol

Arabs and Islam first came to India to Kerala, spice and coffee traders. That's where the first Mosque in the subcontinent is, was not violent.

Turko - Mongols or whatever, those guys were invaders.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Are there any political parties in Pakistan that want to choose the path of Gaddafi's early days? Stabilize the regime by controlling the army. Recruit the descendants of local tribal elders into the army to weaken tribal forces and strengthen the control of the central government. Establish a large number of state-owned enterprises to monopolize the country's wealth and weaken the financial power of local forces. Increase social welfare substantially to gain popular support. Formation of production and construction corps composed of different tribes to go to different provinces to open up land, which can break up tribal settlements, accelerate integration, strengthen the control of the central government, and gain a lot of income and good infrastructure. And so on.

They don't have the oil to do what Gadaffi did.

 

[MH.Yang]

They don't have the oil to do what Gadaffi did.

You don't need oil to do those. The anger of the people does not come from poverty, but from wealth inequality.

 

[politicallyinterested]

Nope, non Muslims are barred from the highest offices of the land there.

Also officially an 'Islamic Republic', isn't it ?

What secular ?

Unless you don't describe ISIS, extremists like him won't consider it "Islamic" enough

 

[Sharma Ji]

You don't need oil to do those. The anger of the people does not come from poverty, but from wealth inequality.

Of course you need oil wealth to spread the wealth.

No oil, no wealth, you see ?

and Libyan light sweet was/is prized because of it's relatively easy extraction, and how much lesser of a refining process it needed to make it viable for commercial use.

By most accounts, the Colonel was doing a pretty decent job of his version of Islamic socialism, the Jamahirya system.

yo @Jamahir .. come back, bro !

 

[Sharma Ji]

Unless you don't describe ISIS, extremists like him won't consider it "Islamic" enough

Some people are always nitpicking, Pak appears to be plenty Islamic enough to most people.

You guys got a state religion, what else he want, public floggings like during Zia's time ?

 

[MH.Yang]

Of course you need oil wealth to spread the wealth.

No oil, no wealth, you see ?

and Libyan light sweet was/is prized because of it's relatively easy extraction, and how much lesser of a refining process it needed to make it viable for commercial use.

By most accounts, the Colonel was doing a pretty decent job of his version of Islamic socialism, the Jamahirya system.

yo @Jamahir .. come back, bro !

To be fair, Gaddafi's reforms of a religiously tribalist state were successful and excellent.

But he himself was a madman and a political fool. Angering five P5 countries at the same time made all five P5 countries want him dead. The guy was a genius at getting into trouble.

 

[Lulldapull]

To be fair, Gaddafi's reforms of a religiously tribalist state were successful and excellent.

But he himself was a madman and a political fool. Angering five P5 countries at the same time made all five P5 countries want him dead. The guy was a genius at getting into trouble.

Both Qazzafi and Assad were good guys. Both secular and progressive.

This is why both got dethroned and replaced with illiterate Al-Qaeda savages by the CIA and Mossad with the lower caste turks acting as their henchmen.

 

[MH.Yang]

Both Qazzafi and Assad were good guys. Both secular and progressive.

This is why both got dethroned and replaced with illiterate Al-Qaeda savages by the CIA and Mossad with the lower caste turks acting as their henchmen.

Since he offended the West, he should not have supported the DPP in Taiwan. His stepping over the red line gave the Chinese government no choice, otherwise China would have used its veto power to save him, just like vetoing the intervention of UN troops in Syria.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Since he offended the West, he should not have supported the DPP in Taiwan. His stepping over the red line gave the Chinese government no choice, otherwise China would have used its veto power to save him, just like vetoing the intervention of UN troops in Syria.

He suffered from delusions of grandeur. A self styled 'Imam of all Muslims'

Who just happened to lead the most decadent lifestyle imaginable, he loved the finer things.. fine cars, yachts, beachfront properties, luxury private jets, a harem of women folk.. he was a proper gangster.

 

[politicallyinterested]

Some people are always nitpicking, Pak appears to be plenty Islamic enough to most people.

You guys got a state religion, what else he want, public floggings like during Zia's time ?

You don't know the half of what people genuinely demand. I am seriously not kidding when I said it isn't uncommon to hear arguments defending ISIS-tier things.

 

[MH.Yang]

He suffered from delusions of grandeur. A self styled 'Imam of all Muslims'

Who just happened to lead the most decadent lifestyle imaginable, he loved the finer things.. fine cars, yachts, beachfront properties, luxury private jets, a harem of women folk.. he was a proper gangster.

Gaddafi once studied in the “远朋 class” of the Taiwan Government, so he has a good impression of Taiwan's society and culture and a misunderstanding of China. As a matter of fact, Taiwan's society and culture are common features of East Asian countries with Confucian culture, and China also has the same merits. Secondly, in 1983, Gaddafi was so stupid as to ask the visiting Chinese Premier ZHOU Enlai to buy nuclear weapons during the General Assembly of the Organization of African Unity (OAU), which was of course rejected by ZHOU Enlai as a matter of course. China also refused to sell him weapons during the first Libyan civil war. This led to Gaddafi's continued dislike of China.