Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)
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Starlord
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What's ironic is that I have not seen any or just 1-2 videos of Pakistan using Armed Drones, but in Parade we show them and keep buying them from Turkey and building our own, but never seems to use them against Taliban, makes me question if they have it or if they are so trash that they fear of using them in the field.
hussain0216
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Their are plenty of videos of use, the bigger problem is often a drone can't properly identify if a individual or group is Indeed a hostile or just a local and this is made more difficult that it's often on our own territory with locals in the area or surrounding buildings
Use of drones, jets, tanks or heavy military equipment is thus limited
And we are this forced into using IBOs and targeted attacks because of the jahil locals in those areas
Starlord
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Post just 5 of the videos here please, cause I have never seen more than 1-2 videos that too unverified.
politicallyinterested
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They mostly use quad copters not the UCAVs because the area of damage is wider
ghazi52
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TERMS OF REFERENCE
As per the ToR document seen by Arab News last month, the KP government has proposed sending a delegation of tribal elders, religious scholars, and political leaders to engage with their Afghan counterparts and address mutual concerns, particularly peace, security, cross-border trade and economic cooperation, through “tribal diplomacy.”
The KP delegation’s objectives include strengthening cross-border tribal diplomacy, confidence-building measures between tribal communities and authorities in both countries and facilitating dialogue on regional peace and stability, the document said.
The ToRs state that the delegations would seek to curtail cross-border militancy by engaging tribal elders to “dissuade terrorist organizations from using Afghan territory for launching attacks in Pakistan and seek cooperation in monitoring and preventing TTP and other militant groups’ movement across the border.”
As per the ToR document seen by Arab News last month, the KP government has proposed sending a delegation of tribal elders, religious scholars, and political leaders to engage with their Afghan counterparts and address mutual concerns, particularly peace, security, cross-border trade and economic cooperation, through “tribal diplomacy.”
The KP delegation’s objectives include strengthening cross-border tribal diplomacy, confidence-building measures between tribal communities and authorities in both countries and facilitating dialogue on regional peace and stability, the document said.
The ToRs state that the delegations would seek to curtail cross-border militancy by engaging tribal elders to “dissuade terrorist organizations from using Afghan territory for launching attacks in Pakistan and seek cooperation in monitoring and preventing TTP and other militant groups’ movement across the border.”
ghazi52
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PESHAWAR: Pakistan’s northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) government on Sunday asked the federal government to approve the Terms of Reference (ToRs) for its talks with Afghanistan on surging militancy “as soon as possible,” following a blast in the province that killed a top cleric days ago.
KP government said in February that it had decided to send two delegations, comprising tribal elders, religious scholars, and political leaders, to Kabul to engage in direct talks with the Afghan Taliban rulers for peace and stability in the province. It followed a statement by KP Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur, in which he said the security situation in the region was directly linked to “developments in neighboring Afghanistan,” following a consultative meeting of various religious and political parties in the province.
KP government spokesperson Muhammad Ali Saif had said the delegation would be sent after the center approved the ToRs for talks with Afghanistan. Pakistan’s foreign office had said last month it was not informed of KP’s decision to engage in talks with Kabul, adding that external ties with another country fell under the federal government’s jurisdiction.
Saif demanded the center approve the ToRs without further delay after a suicide blast within a pro-Taliban seminary in northwestern Pakistan on Friday killed a top cleric and four other worshippers, wounding dozens of others.
KP government said in February that it had decided to send two delegations, comprising tribal elders, religious scholars, and political leaders, to Kabul to engage in direct talks with the Afghan Taliban rulers for peace and stability in the province. It followed a statement by KP Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur, in which he said the security situation in the region was directly linked to “developments in neighboring Afghanistan,” following a consultative meeting of various religious and political parties in the province.
KP government spokesperson Muhammad Ali Saif had said the delegation would be sent after the center approved the ToRs for talks with Afghanistan. Pakistan’s foreign office had said last month it was not informed of KP’s decision to engage in talks with Kabul, adding that external ties with another country fell under the federal government’s jurisdiction.
Saif demanded the center approve the ToRs without further delay after a suicide blast within a pro-Taliban seminary in northwestern Pakistan on Friday killed a top cleric and four other worshippers, wounding dozens of others.
politicallyinterested
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"Pakistani" tribals are not cucks. They are complicit. Both see each other as brothers, and why wouldn't they? Same ethnicity, language, and religion.Unless they are going to kabul with a briefcase full of money, they will get nothing from them.
Will they have the balls to ask why the head of TTP gets money from the Taliban?
I don't have much faith in a tribal meeting. The reason why they are openly attacking Pakistani troops is because the Pakistani tribals are a bunch of cucks.
It needs a government to Taliban dialogue with real consequences if troops are attacked.
It is only really Pakistani Punjabis who are (rightly) against the Taliban for its aggression but the tribals are their fifth column. The ethnicity sympathises with them and handicaps your response.
FuturePAF
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Investment in better EO/IR sensors should be done to get better positive identification. We don’t want any civilians killed when dealing with militants.
FuturePAF
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But remember, that cuts both ways; they have a tribal system, where tribes are competing for their share of opportunities/resources. Pakistan needs to empower the tribes that cooperate and the disparity between the tribes based on working with the Pakistani state should pay off in the long run if sustained and made a solid metric. These tribes can also be asked to form tribal militia to police themselves, out of uniform, and be held responsible for activities in the areas. The Arbakai were a successful aspect of the strategy in Afghanistan, as long as they stayed out of uniform and were never made part of the local police force. It was also an aspect that afghans did not find offensive. We have to do things with an understanding of their culture and tribal dynamics.
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Distant_Observer
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I wouldn't say all of them. But in their tribal code, the most violent/aggressive are the ones who are dominant. The Pakistani based tribals have offered their daughters to them in the past so we know who is the alpha and beta. Very primal isn't it.
Pakistani Punjabis don't have the same dynamic with Indian Punjabis.
This is why these tribal dialogues haven't worked in the past.
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politicallyinterested
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When you can't even enforce your own norms and constitution on your own territory and have to beat around the bush with essentially creating militant groups to police the area, then you are in deep shit. If they can't even wear uniforms or be part of a police force then there is a problem.
There's only so much you can try these round about methods with a hostile population on your territory and the extent of which it works. You are conceding state sovereignty like this and creating special zones that aren't truly integrated.
S.Y.A
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whose writ? army's?
FuturePAF
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Tens of millions of citizens adhere to a distinct culture, so you have to work with and through the culture if you are to maintain “consent of the governed”. Also, this problem is decades deep, and will takes decades to mend. The hasty and “optically pleasing” methods are part of what undermined the strategy in Afghanistan.
