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[BigMela2onin]

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Iran badly needs something like this

NK military development is surpassing Iran in most fields. We are going back to the 80s and 90s. I would count on NK building a decent indigenous fighter before Iran does at this point.

 

[Piet]

If a country do not pull together as a whole, it will eventually pull apart - as a whole.

While I was still doing my day job I would always tell my people that the only thing worse than a wrong decision was no decision at all.

Obviously I do not know the 'lay of the land' politically or otherwise up yonder, so could it be that the modern IRIAF is still deemed to be politically suspect pertaining to its pre-1979 self?

Pertaining to an alternative, perhaps due to incessant in-fighting, jostling for positions of power, or the furtherance of contracts for the ‘right’ group or groupings. Nothing strange here, happens all over the world.

Hope that it will not take a seismic event like massive, specifically targeted, IAF airstrikes to peel the scales from some peoples eyes. Unfortunately that ship would have sailed by then.



Lack of communication, circling of the wagons, jostling for positions of power, or the furtherance of contracts for the ‘right’ group or groupings. Nothing strange here, happens all over the world. Especially if the offending persons each have a 'get out of jail free' card. Cronyism at its best.


Well, I think that most of the posters to this thread were secretly dreading Russia reverting to being Russia again. As for an alternative 4.5 gen air-superiority fighter, this does not exist at present. I say this in the context of a SU-27, -30, and -35 specifically. So, who is going to carry the can for this?

Fully agree. Only when the system gets fixed will the road be open to appoint an ‘Armaments Czar’ who can kick recalcitrate butts and knock heads together .

Good Q. See below.

Not sure what roles the R-60 and -27 would play in an AF largely comprised of SU-35; MiG-29 (-SMT); Yak-130 and SU-24. In this case I do not see a role for a slimmed down AIM-7E2 either.


It seems that the case for a Qaher (60 or 100%) is picking up speed quite rapidly. However, I posit that R-77M could perform the role called for by a slimmer AIM-7, more than adequately.

Good thing too. As Azarakhsh HOBS appears to be still evolving.

Should Iran be able to acquire the SU-35S Flanker E and R-37M's it would really have a first-class air superiority fighter. Up there with the best:-


R-37M and PL-17 are tied for 2nd place.

The king appears to be the:-
I saw one reference describing F-18@ AIM-174B as the 'Murder Hornet'.

Apologies for the less than sterling quality of these missiles. Usually I can get this stuff right without to much hassles.

Enjoy

Piet

 

[TallGuy]

Any updates Regarding AEW &C induction in IRIAF?

 

[ToddE]

NK military development is surpassing Iran in most fields. We are going back to the 80s and 90s. I would count on NK building a decent indigenous fighter before Iran does at this point.

Iran is ahead in almost all military fields, if we go by technology, industrial base, resources etc. Iran also has a giant economy compared to DPRK (1.8 trillion vs 40 Billion $ GDP). Iranian leadership lacks balls which DPRK's leadership has in excess so where Iranian Ayatollahs give up and put a cap on capabilities, DPRK's aggressive leadership rises. Few examples:

Who put 2000 KM verbal barrier on Iranian MRBM ranges in media?? IISS says that K-4's actual range is 3200 KM with ~1000 KG warhead. Sejjil with maximum apogee probably crosses into the same zone of max-range. One of the TEL launched SLVs with an RV can today become a 3-staged ICBM if IRGCAF is allowed by leadership. And that won't be an inaccurate liquid fueled garbage from the 1970s, it will be an accurate Thrust vectored PBV with Radial CAS on a 2 x high ISP solid motor stages. So why is Iranian leadership not allowing it? why we do not see advancement towards WGU from 60% ? Iran probably could weaponise its nuclear program 20 years ago if leadership wanted but they did not allow it. IRIAF's forced slow death through budget cuts is another example.

One can go around and say that DPRK is a hermit communist regime while IRI is a self-reliant vibrant nation which, despite all its problems, is still part of the world.

 

[Tijani]

This only holds true if, and only if, there's no cooperation on TOT. I believe that Iran is getting a deal where it will be able to manufacture the SU-35 inhouse. It takes time to set up the necessary infrastructure for such an undertaking. The real benefit of this is that Iran will able to ably this to its own indigenous projects.

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[BigMela2onin]

Iran is ahead in almost all military fields, if we go by technology, industrial base, resources etc. Iran also has a giant economy compared to DPRK (1.8 trillion vs 40 Billion $ GDP).

Iran let's it's enemies kill its officials, kill its soldiers, and bomb military sites. The embassy in Syria was even bombed, an absolutely unprecedented violation of diplomatic norms that finally got Iran to bomb some runways and hangers in response. DPRK uses all available resources to defend itself; it has ICBMs, HGVs, SLBMs, and most importantly the nuclear weapons to put on them. When was the last time someone openly bombed DPRK, it's soldiers, or a DPRK diplomatic mission? If Iran has the capability to build all that and chooses not to, whether they have the capability to build it or not doesn't matter.

- They refused to understand that Russia and China wont support them so they have to find alternatives for tech. I wrote above about Russian betrayals towards Iran for 35 years now. Russia looked for its own, Iran did not.

Maybe true for Russia but they were willing to sign a mutual defense pact with DPRK. And for the latter, Iran refused to cultivate a relationship when the opportunity was there and China went to the Arabs instead. Why did IRIAF turn down J-10A when it was offered? Why did reformists go out of their way to disrespect Chairman Xi when he visited Iran? We can blame Russia for throwing Iran under the bus for better relations with the west but the truth is Iran would do the same if it could, we can't blame China for seeing that while Iran refuses to learn from Russia's many betrayals.

Ironically, one of those alternative sources for tech you mention would have been "Israel" in an alternative history; they have long supplied third world dictatorships with modern tech.

Instead, corruption ran rampant, Supreme leader+Majles were fooled into funding cash pit meaningless or dare I say fake projects in combat aviation.

Not an IRIAF exclusive problem. Look at projects like Aghareb or the M47 upgrade that put a parking lot security camera as a "commander sight." How many different M60 upgrades have there been and how many saw mass adoption?

Tazarve Trainer - Crash+abandoned.
Yasin AT - Crash, not a single flyable airframe exists in 7 years.
Shafagh AT - never left mockup stage.
Azaraksh - 3 airframes, program abandoned.
Saeghe-I/II - 6 airframes, program abandoned.
Kowsar - 5 Airframes in 8 years, dozens of airframes rusting on Assembly lines.
Qaher - not a single flyable airframe (Fake project) in 13 years.
IrAn-140/Simorgh - Crashes, 2 airframes exist in 20 years.
F-14AM program - 2 exists.
F-4E/D Dowran Program - handful of upgrades.
Fakour-90 BVR - Limited to 2 x F-14AM airframes, will retire with it.
Azaraksh HOBS WVR - never seen with IRIAF, still using obsolete AIM-9J.
OWJ Turbojet - 10 exists on 5 kowsars.
Jashesh Turbofan - Never left the prototype stage.
Stealth ALCM - never left the mockup stage.

List goes on and on.

Most Iranian defense projects never enter service. And for those that do, compare the quality to what DPRK is putting in service: Amnok class vs. Mowj class, Sinpo vs. Fateh class, Zulfiqar vs. M-2020, Saetbyol-9 and 4 vs. Mohajer-6 and Shahed-129. Iran imports foreign equipment over domestic options if it can, it imported AK-103, Orsis T-5000, and Russian MRAPs for border guards over Iranian equivalents.

One can go around and say that DPRK is a hermit communist regime while IRI is a self-reliant vibrant nation which, despite all its problems, is still part of the world.

DPRK is self-reliant, that is the entire ideology behind Juche. Both are economically and diplomatically isolated nations, all being part of the world has done for Iran is allowed one of the highest rates of brain drain in the world.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Iran let's it's enemies kill its officials, kill its soldiers, and bomb military sites. The embassy in Syria was even bombed, an absolutely unprecedented violation of diplomatic norms that finally got Iran to bomb some runways and hangers in response. DPRK uses all available resources to defend itself; it has ICBMs, HGVs, SLBMs, and most importantly the nuclear weapons to put on them. When was the last time someone openly bombed DPRK, it's soldiers, or a DPRK diplomatic mission? If Iran has the capability to build all that and chooses not to, whether they have the capability to build it or not doesn't matter.

Maybe true for Russia but they were willing to sign a mutual defense pact with DPRK. And for the latter, Iran refused to cultivate a relationship when the opportunity was there and China went to the Arabs instead. Why did IRIAF turn down J-10A when it was offered? Why did reformists go out of their way to disrespect Chairman Xi when he visited Iran? We can blame Russia for throwing Iran under the bus for better relations with the west but the truth is Iran would do the same if it could, we can't blame China for seeing that while Iran refuses to learn from Russia's many betrayals.

Ironically, one of those alternative sources for tech you mention would have been "Israel" in an alternative history; they have long supplied third world dictatorships with modern tech.

Not an IRIAF exclusive problem. Look at projects like Aghareb or the M47 upgrade that put a parking lot security camera as a "commander sight." How many different M60 upgrades have there been and how many saw mass adoption?

Most Iranian defense projects never enter service. And for those that do, compare the quality to what DPRK is putting in service: Amnok class vs. Mowj class, Sinpo vs. Fateh class, Zulfiqar vs. M-2020, Saetbyol-9 and 4 vs. Mohajer-6 and Shahed-129. Iran imports foreign equipment over domestic options if it can, it imported AK-103, Orsis T-5000, and Russian MRAPs for border guards over Iranian equivalents.

DPRK is self-reliant, that is the entire ideology behind Juche. Both are economically and diplomatically isolated nations, all being part of the world has done for Iran is allowed one of the highest rates of brain drain in the world.

I respect North Korea, but Korea is not comparable to Iran and is behind Iran in all fields. Most of their work is communist propaganda. For several years, China and Russia have been equipping North Korea to use it as a proxy.its not their progress

 

[BigMela2onin]

I respect North Korea, but Korea is not comparable to Iran and is behind Iran in all fields. Most of their work is communist propaganda. For several years, China and Russia have been equipping North Korea to use it as a proxy.its not their progress

So it's propaganda or all Chinese and Russian imports? You sound like an US government spokesman talking about Iran.

If it's imports, perhaps Iran should reflect on why Russia and China are willing to arm DPRK but not Iran. Both are highly sanctioned countries and targets of the west. What is the difference between the two?

 

[Flotilla]

So it's propaganda or all Chinese and Russian imports? You sound like an US government spokesman talking about Iran.

If it's imports, perhaps Iran should reflect on why Russia and China are willing to arm DPRK but not Iran. Both are highly sanctioned countries and targets of the west. What is the difference between the two?

Let me answer your question, the difference It is Saudi Arabia and PG states. Those call Xi Jingping and Putin and ask them under "certain" economic consequences not to sign some big agreements in military fields like mutual agression teatries. Su35s It must be a allowed trade by them.

On the other hand let me remind you that Russia went to Iran to ask assistance to maintain their Airbus and Boeing liners and even to purchase cars, and not to DPRK. So I agree at some points with Mehdipersian.

 

[Mehdipersian]

So it's propaganda or all Chinese and Russian imports? You sound like an US government spokesman talking about Iran.

If it's imports, perhaps Iran should reflect on why Russia and China are willing to arm DPRK but not Iran. Both are highly sanctioned countries and targets of the west. What is the difference between the two?

The difference between North Korea and Iran is that Iran is not interested in being a proxy for others.

 

[BigMela2onin]

The difference between North Korea and Iran is that Iran is not interested in being a proxy for others.

In what way has DPRK acted as a proxy for them? They have supplied Russia with equipment to use against Ukraine which Iran also did. Ukraine claims DPRK soldiers are fighting but provided no proof other than some Tuvan POWs who are actually Russian, and then claimed they killed them all (they were never there in the first place).

 

[BigMela2onin]

Let me answer your question, the difference It is Saudi Arabia and PG states. Those call Xi Jingping and Putin and ask them under "certain" economic consequences not to sign some big agreements in military fields like mutual agression teatries. Su35s It must be a allowed trade by them.

Again, Iran should have cultivated a relationship with China rather than pushed them into the arms of Saudi and UAE. Russia is Iran's natural rival and has been throughout history, this aligning of interests is temporary. China and Iran have no conflicts and should be natural allies.

On the other hand let me remind you that Russia went to Iran to ask assistance to maintain their Airbus and Boeing liners and even to purchase cars, and not to DPRK. So I agree at some points with Mehdipersian.

DPRK commercial airline fleet is all Antonovs, Ilyushins, and Tupolev aircraft. They have no Airbus or Boeing planes to have a need to develop the expertise to maintain.

 

[TallGuy]

@Mehdipersian @Persian Gulf @Emirzad

How are you guys?? i hope my post finds you in good health and prosperity!

i wanted to discuss somethings, if i may? since OTH radars are exposed and were compromised, now what are the options for Irainian IADS and IRIAF.

I thought just after the entity operation IRIAF Chief visited Pakistan, does anybody have any clear idea what was that about? lot of people talk about JF17s but in all certainity that was not true. I deduced that they wanted ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft which are recently deactivated?? i thought they were returned to PRC recently. so may be they want that?

I request some insight on the issue.

2ndly since Trump is warming up for a deal. who knows?

 

[Hezb313]

So it's propaganda or all Chinese and Russian imports? You sound like an US government spokesman talking about Iran.

If it's imports, perhaps Iran should reflect on why Russia and China are willing to arm DPRK but not Iran. Both are highly sanctioned countries and targets of the west. What is the difference between the two?

A strong Iran is a threat for Russia that’s the reason

 

[Mehdipersian]

@Mehdipersian @Persian Gulf @Emirzad

How are you guys?? i hope my post finds you in good health and prosperity!

i wanted to discuss somethings, if i may? since OTH radars are exposed and were compromised, now what are the options for Irainian IADS and IRIAF.

I thought just after the entity operation IRIAF Chief visited Pakistan, does anybody have any clear idea what was that about? lot of people talk about JF17s but in all certainity that was not true. I deduced that they wanted ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft which are recently deactivated?? i thought they were returned to PRC recently. so may be they want that?

I request some insight on the issue.

2ndly since Trump is warming up for a deal. who knows?

Hello, thank you, so are you.

Building OTH radars is not a difficult task for Iran and they can be easily replaced, but the Iranian Air Force needs AWACS and new fighter jets.

The JF-17 is not enough for Iran's threats, and it is unlikely that it will be the main purchase option for Iran. If Iran cannot buy the Sukhoi-35, it will look for Chinese fighters such as the J-10.

Buying AWACS is important for Iran, if it can buy from Pakistan, it will do so.