Iranian Air Force (IRIAF/IRGC-ASF) | News and Discussions

[That_Guy]

NK military development is surpassing Iran in most fields. We are going back to the 80s and 90s. I would count on NK building a decent indigenous fighter before Iran does at this point.

Lol, it's not.

The North Korean tech is mostly just repackaged Chinese tech. The shit they have developed themselves is mediocre at best.

 

[BigMela2onin]

A strong Iran is a threat for Russia that’s the reason

Agreed, so why does Iran keep trying to buy from them despite decades of betrayals and centuries of direct conflict when it could have bought from China or developed domestic alternatives?

The North Korean tech is mostly just repackaged Chinese tech.

Great, Iran should do the same for things it can't produce itself like AWACS and other aircraft.

 

[Flotilla]

Again, Iran should have cultivated a relationship with China rather than pushed them into the arms of Saudi and UAE. Russia is Iran's natural rival and has been throughout history, this aligning of interests is temporary. China and Iran have no conflicts and should be natural allies.

No. You cannot compete with Saudi or UAE pockets. They´re full of dollars, euros... and shekels. Don´t blame iranian authorities for not warming up the chinese.

DPRK commercial airline fleet is all Antonovs, Ilyushins, and Tupolev aircraft. They have no Airbus or Boeing planes to have a need to develop the expertise to maintain.

So you indirectly are recognizing that Iran is in better position. A Rolls Royce Trend or a CFM is much more challenging to maintain than the engines of old soviets glories, that is the reason why Russians choosed Iranian companies. And again, they choosed iranian cars and iranians drones. Starting from OWA drones (Shahed family) and MALE Mohajer 6 with their PGM munitions, not DPRK ones.

 

[That_Guy]

Agreed, so why does Iran keep trying to buy from them despite decades of betrayals and centuries of direct conflict when it could have bought from China or developed domestic alternatives?

Great, Iran should do the same for things it can't produce itself like AWACS and other aircraft.

Honestly, it probably should. I don't think the Chinese much care about their products getting repackaged, so long as they turn a profit.

 

[BigMela2onin]

No. You cannot compete with Saudi or UAE pockets. They´re full of dollars, euros... and shekels. Don´t blame iranian authorities for not warming up the chinese.

No need to compete, Saudi is no longer an enemy since the Chinese(!) brokered a detente between them and Iran. The UAE is too busy killing Sudanese and Somalis to compete, they have no desire to fight with a peer like Iran, especially one that can hit their cities and oil depots. So I will and continue to blame Iran for crawling to Russia and the west instead of expanding relations with our Asian neighbors.

 

[sahureka2]

Lol, non lo è.

La tecnologia nordcoreana è per lo più solo tecnologia cinese riconfezionata. La merda che hanno sviluppato loro stessi è mediocre nella migliore delle ipotesi.

New 2 Frigate and submarine

Post in thread 'North Korea Defence Forum'

Mar 8, 2025

South Korean News Agency YONHAP NEWS On 8 March, the Korean Central News Agency reports,
President Kim Jong un inspected shipbuilding work at major shipyards there.
It is reported that he inspected the construction of a nuclear-powered submarine and a large warship
In the photos one can see new, sharp images of the frigate under construction from which one can surmise the dimensions.
Frigate under constructio Nampo




Frigate under construction Chongjin



and only partially those of the nuclear submarine...

• sahureka2

 

[ToddE]

Iran let's it's enemies kill its officials, kill its soldiers, and bomb military sites. The embassy in Syria was even bombed, an absolutely unprecedented violation of diplomatic norms that finally got Iran to bomb some runways and hangers in response. DPRK uses all available resources to defend itself; it has ICBMs, HGVs, SLBMs, and most importantly the nuclear weapons to put on them. When was the last time someone openly bombed DPRK, it's soldiers, or a DPRK diplomatic mission? If Iran has the capability to build all that and chooses not to, whether they have the capability to build it or not doesn't matter.

Please read the part of my post you did not quote:

Iranian leadership lacks balls which DPRK's leadership has in excess so where Iranian Ayatollahs give up and put a cap on capabilities, DPRK's aggressive leadership rises. Few examples:

Besides, comparing Iran and DPRK is like comparing apples with jojeh kebob. Iran is constantly fighting wars against regional powers backed by a superpower, for the last how many decades. I am not discussing if its right or wrong here, I am just saying Iran is doing that while DPRK is not. Call it their goodluck or whatever but US/NATO are not interested in militarily or economically tackling DPRK as it suits them to keep a foot hold in South Korea and Japan using North Korean boogie monster as an excuse otherwise, choking that bankrupt hermit communist regime to death will be a matter of weeks. Their entire GDP is 1/5th of Tehran the city, for starters. If they face same level of military attacks, isolation, crippling sanctions etc that Mullah run Iran has faced, they will starve to death.

Maybe true for Russia but they were willing to sign a mutual defense pact with DPRK. And for the latter, Iran refused to cultivate a relationship when the opportunity was there and China went to the Arabs instead.

Why did IRIAF turn down J-10A when it was offered? Why did reformists go out of their way to disrespect Chairman Xi when he visited Iran? We can blame Russia for throwing Iran under the bus for better relations with the west but the truth is Iran would do the same if it could, we can't blame China for seeing that while Iran refuses to learn from Russia's many betrayals.

China went where exactly? (P)GCC is still a ball sucker of US/NATO, selling their bulk hydrocarbon to west on which petrodollar stands to this day. They host US/NATO military bases, aligning themselves with whatever comes out of NATO, EU, US, Israeli HQs. They do not do that for China. Just to have some level of presence in middle east, PLAN has to have a ineffective base in Djibouti while western Militaries have dozens of bases and footholds on mainland PGCC. Chinese are merchants at best, their defence pacts mean nothing. This does not mean at all that Iran is being run by strategic geniuses either. They could have cashed out Russian weakness at the height of Ukraine war when Russia was importing TOTs, drones, missiles, UCAVs and what not from Iran. They failed miserably, now they will suck Trump's balls in name of "talks" over 60% enriched U to which Iranian national tied.

And by the way I dont see much controversy in J-10 vs SU-35S. If J-10A/B rejection story is true, IRIAF opted for SU-35S instead, which is obviously a better choice, being twin-engine air superiority behemoth. In favor of SU-35S, they rejected J-10A/B, SU-27SM3 and probably did not consider MIG-35 either. Case of chasing best product at best. Instead of focusing on these 4-4+ gen, they should now divert their entire attention to 5th gen from wherever the tech is available.

Ironically, one of those alternative sources for tech you mention would have been "Israel" in an alternative history; they have long supplied third world dictatorships with modern tech.

Or South Africa or South Korea or Brazil or Taiwan... list goes on. We can even list what Iran could have got from these countries had the intentions to revive the airforce existed.

Not an IRIAF exclusive problem. Look at projects like Aghareb or the M47 upgrade that put a parking lot security camera as a "commander sight." How many different M60 upgrades have there been and how many saw mass adoption?

Problem is, land forces are not facing a direct invasion from any side due to one simple reason, terrain. Iran is one of the most mountainous countries on planet earth and luckily its most likely invasion points are all gaurded by military buffer zones or never ending mountain ranges. Land forces are fair to decently equipped with MBTs. IRGC is powerful enough to destroy any invader at borders with their GMLRS/BM/CM showers if need arises. IRIAF is a different story. The force was killed on purpose.

Most Iranian defense projects never enter service. And for those that do, compare the quality to what DPRK is putting in service: Amnok class vs. Mowj class Sinpo vs. Fateh class, Zulfiqar vs. M-2020, Saetbyol-9 and 4 vs. Mohajer-6 and Shahed-129. Iran imports foreign equipment over domestic options if it can, it imported AK-103, Orsis T-5000, and Russian MRAPs for border guards over Iranian equivalents.

I am not an expert on North Korean military but Amnok (2) is re-welded 40 years old hull of Soviet Krivak vessel, retrofitted with porbably FAJR-27 guns imported from Iran and some manpads as AD. Iranian Mowj (7 and counting) are new hulls with much better firepower. Their sensor suite though is not fully installed, but is better as well. Forget Mowj, a single IRGCN corvette provides more firepower and air defence capability than what two Amnok cant combine produce. Sinpo is a modified 50 years old Romeo class rebuilt hull. There is no evidence of M-2020 MBT being deployed or in use or being mass produced either. Karrar MBT has atleast been tested in field.
DPRK's RQ-4 knock off was re-built on an F-7 chasis and wheels. https://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-china-drone-j7-parts-copy-technology-1862123. Have they shown the fleet of them? what about its SAR radars, its EO sensors, engine? Iranian drone or aviation programs are transparent to the core like any modern military industrial complex. Iran's UCAVS are battle hardened in conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and by Russia in Ukraine.
If Iran is importing anything it is because it can like India, Korea, Brazil, Turkey, Israel, Russia, most of the EU does. DPRK because of its self imposed exile from globe (A) cant (B) won't. If they are forced to fight attrition wars against powers, build military, economy like Iran is doing (at whatever rate) they will starve themselves to death. Iran has demonstrated the ability to rapidly produce classes of vessels, drones, and missiles. DPRK simply cant replicate that.

DPRK is self-reliant, that is the entire ideology behind Juche. Both are economically and diplomatically isolated nations, all being part of the world has done for Iran is allowed one of the highest rates of brain drain in the world.

DPRK's GDP is 50 Billion USD at best, they have to import food from China to survive. Iran, despite the sanctions, has ~2 trillion $ GDP PPP with almost 0% external debt. Turkey for comparison has 3.6 Trillion $ GDP but 47 % of that is external debt. Iranian mullah leadership has made terrible mistakes and their time is up but comparing Iran to DPRK is funny at best.

 

[ToddE]

@Mehdipersian @Persian Gulf @Emirzad

How are you guys?? i hope my post finds you in good health and prosperity!

Ma man !

i wanted to discuss somethings, if i may? since OTH radars are exposed and were compromised, now what are the options for Irainian IADS and IRIAF.

One was partially hit. The other parts of the cage antenna remain working. They can be quickly repaired too. Iran probably has 6 known in total. https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...sets-of-iran-current-and-possibilities.14225/

Best ption is including airborne AWACS in the IADS for supplementing search information while not being vulnerable to ALBM strike. Ground OTH, UHF/VHF, PESA+Airborne AWCS can produce search data package for tracking PESA/AESA radars through datalinking which then relay it to fire control system of HIMADS/SHORADS and IRIAF.

All of this already exists excluding AWACS and datalinking with IRIAF.

I thought just after the entity operation IRIAF Chief visited Pakistan, does anybody have any clear idea what was that about? lot of people talk about JF17s but in all certainity that was not true. I deduced that they wanted ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft which are recently deactivated?? i thought they were returned to PRC recently. so may be they want that?

I request some insight on the issue.

2ndly since Trump is warming up for a deal. who knows?

Not viable for IRIAF for two simple reasons.

(1) Light Combat fighter with less MTOW, designed for short ranged missions or CAP does not solve the Iranian prolem. Iranian airspace is being challenged from hundreds of KM beyond the Iranian borders, add Iranian huge geography to that, we need high kinetic energy air superiority fighters with long ranges and high MTOW. A sensor suite of Search-Track capability beyond 200+ KM. Possibly a combination of Radar+IRST with least 4 x LR-BVR in 150+ KM range category. A fleet of SU-35S, SU-30SM with R-37 and fully upgraded F-14AM armed with Fakour-90 can do this job for us. Even a Mig-29M can't do this.

(2) JF-17 is built on Chinese and Russian components (using Chinese turbofans now or still Russian?). If Iran needs this plane, what is stopping the Iranian government from approaching the actual manufacturer of its engines, avionics, combat suite etc and get its own assembly line inside Iran? Chinese CATIC/CAC is the actual patent holder of tech of WS-13 turbofans, NRIET KLJ-7, Pl-5E/12/15 etc why should not Iran get the bigger more suitable for Iranian needs the J-10C/D and a couple of JH-7?

 

[royalharris]

Please read the part of my post you did not quote:



Besides, comparing Iran and DPRK is like comparing apples with jojeh kebob. Iran is constantly fighting wars against regional powers backed by a superpower, for the last how many decades. I am not discussing if its right or wrong here, I am just saying Iran is doing that while DPRK is not. Call it their goodluck or whatever but US/NATO are not interested in militarily or economically tackling DPRK as it suits them to keep a foot hold in South Korea and Japan using North Korean boogie monster as an excuse otherwise, choking that bankrupt hermit communist regime to death will be a matter of weeks. Their entire GDP is 1/5th of Tehran the city, for starters. If they face same level of military attacks, isolation, crippling sanctions etc that Mullah run Iran has faced, they will starve to death.





China went where exactly? (P)GCC is still a ball sucker of US/NATO, selling their bulk hydrocarbon to west on which petrodollar stands to this day. They host US/NATO military bases, aligning themselves with whatever comes out of NATO, EU, US, Israeli HQs. They do not do that for China. Just to have some level of presence in middle east, PLAN has to have a ineffective base in Djibouti while western Militaries have dozens of bases and footholds on mainland PGCC. Chinese are merchants at best, their defence pacts mean nothing. This does not mean at all that Iran is being run by strategic geniuses either. They could have cashed out Russian weakness at the height of Ukraine war when Russia was importing TOTs, drones, missiles, UCAVs and what not from Iran. They failed miserably, now they will suck Trump's balls in name of "talks" over 60% enriched U to which Iranian national tied.

And by the way I dont see much controversy in J-10 vs SU-35S. If J-10A/B rejection story is true, IRIAF opted for SU-35S instead, which is obviously a better choice, being twin-engine air superiority behemoth. In favor of SU-35S, they rejected J-10A/B, SU-27SM3 and probably did not consider MIG-35 either. Case of chasing best product at best. Instead of focusing on these 4-4+ gen, they should now divert their entire attention to 5th gen from wherever the tech is available.



Or South Africa or South Korea or Brazil or Taiwan... list goes on. We can even list what Iran could have got from these countries had the intentions to revive the airforce existed.



Problem is, land forces are not facing a direct invasion from any side due to one simple reason, terrain. Iran is one of the most mountainous countries on planet earth and luckily its most likely invasion points are all gaurded by military buffer zones or never ending mountain ranges. Land forces are fair to decently equipped with MBTs. IRGC is powerful enough to destroy any invader at borders with their GMLRS/BM/CM showers if need arises. IRIAF is a different story. The force was killed on purpose.




I am not an expert on North Korean military but Amnok (2) is re-welded 40 years old hull of Soviet Krivak vessel, retrofitted with porbably FAJR-27 guns imported from Iran and some manpads as AD. Iranian Mowj (7 and counting) are new hulls with much better firepower. Their sensor suite though is not fully installed, but is better as well. Forget Mowj, a single IRGCN corvette provides more firepower and air defence capability than what two Amnok cant combine produce. Sinpo is a modified 50 years old Romeo class rebuilt hull. There is no evidence of M-2020 MBT being deployed or in use or being mass produced either. Karrar MBT has atleast been tested in field.
DPRK's RQ-4 knock off was re-built on an F-7 chasis and wheels. https://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-china-drone-j7-parts-copy-technology-1862123. Have they shown the fleet of them? what about its SAR radars, its EO sensors, engine? Iranian drone or aviation programs are transparent to the core like any modern military industrial complex. Iran's UCAVS are battle hardened in conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and by Russia in Ukraine.
If Iran is importing anything it is because it can like India, Korea, Brazil, Turkey, Israel, Russia, most of the EU does. DPRK because of its self imposed exile from globe (A) cant (B) won't. If they are forced to fight attrition wars against powers, build military, economy like Iran is doing (at whatever rate) they will starve themselves to death. Iran has demonstrated the ability to rapidly produce classes of vessels, drones, and missiles. DPRK simply cant replicate that.



DPRK's GDP is 50 Billion USD at best, they have to import food from China to survive. Iran, despite the sanctions, has ~2 trillion $ GDP PPP with almost 0% external debt. Turkey for comparison has 3.6 Trillion $ GDP but 47 % of that is external debt. Iranian mullah leadership has made terrible mistakes and their time is up but comparing Iran to DPRK is funny at best.

Why can't North Korea be compared with Iran? In terms of military science and technology and military techniques, in which aspects is North Korea inferior to Iran?
North Korea should bear in mind that it fought in the Korean War, and its opponents on the other side were an 18-nation coalition led by the United States. As for Iran, at most, it fought the Iran-Iraq War with Iraq.
Don't be a slave to the West in your mind. Don't believe in that so-called unified set of figures from the West. According to the so-called statistics of the West, universities in Europe and those in the UK seem to be extremely advanced. But in reality, what scientific and technological achievements have they made in recent years, what scientific and technological talents have they produced, and what outstanding high-tech companies do they have? There's nothing. It's just a bunch of inflated figures.

 

[ToddE]

Why can't North Korea be compared with Iran? In terms of military science and technology and military techniques, in which aspects is North Korea inferior to Iran?

Comparing Iran to North Korea is like comparing night and day literally when it comes to education, science, and overall development of two nations. Iran's GDP is around 15 times higher than DPRK despite the wars, conflicts, crippling sanctions on IRI, and there is ZERO debt on Iran. Iran also ranks much higher on the HDI having much better living standards, education and healthcare. Iranian universities rank among the best in the region and even compete globally, North Korean universities are practically invisible in international rankings.
Meanwhile Iran is a somewhat of a powerhouse in STEM fields, with its R&D output (citations/per document and H-index) often outperform majority of the European countries. Look it up on Scimajor. Where is DPRK in those rankings? Iranian diasporas in countries like Germany, Canada, and US where we mostly live, have higher advanced education and earn more than the local average, particularly in STEM fields. In US we beat even the White and Asian americans in average household income. North Korean diaspora is made of refugees and defectors.
I am not against North Koreans. Its a friendly nation and has helped Iran in 80s-mid 90s. They are trustworthy, hardworking people but not comparable to Iran by any means. Mullah run IRI with all its faults beats Communist hermit regime of DPRK by margins. No offence to North Koreans.

North Korea should bear in mind that it fought in the Korean War, and its opponents on the other side were an 18-nation coalition led by the United States. As for Iran, at most, it fought the Iran-Iraq War with Iraq.

What an ill informed post. Baathist Iraq was supported by USSR to extremes, entire Arab league + PGCC, EU and later on by US as well.

USSR kept providing them with whatever most advanced weapons was available in USSR itself, be it missiles, bombers, fighter jets, helis, tanks and what not. Iran would eliminate few from the battlefield and replenishment will arrive only twice the size. Iran had to smuggle or create spare parts at home for its fighter jets, adapt SAMs for A2A missiles, our people had no support.
European powers UK, France, Germany supplied Saddam with tech for binary nerve agents that were used on Iranian population. Its funny how these same countries later on blaming Baathists for having WMD, the same weapon they themselves supplied to Iraq only 15 years ago. France was supplying Baathists with its most advanced fighter jets for exports at that time in bulk, it kept on doing that till the end of war. Had the war continued SU-27 and Mirage-2000 were being TOTed to Iraq along with more TU-22M while Iranian fighter jets flew on cannibalized parts still IRIAF destroyed the Iraqi AF.
Billions and Billions of $ in cash and gold came from PGCC and the entire Arab League while Iran was being sanctioned for exporting its oil. Do not for a second think that Iran just fought Iraq. It was Iran against most of the world. Yet Iran humiliated baathist arabs and failed their invasion, destroyed Saddams large military and in broader perspective see we know what Iran did to that place. Who said war is just fighting. People wont like it here but there is one country in Middle east that supported Iran.

Don't be a slave to the West in your mind. Don't believe in that so-called unified set of figures from the West. According to the so-called statistics of the West, universities in Europe and those in the UK seem to be extremely advanced. But in reality, what scientific and technological achievements have they made in recent years, what scientific and technological talents have they produced, and what outstanding high-tech companies do they have? There's nothing. It's just a bunch of inflated figures.

Closet communist fetishists living and enjoying cozy lives in the capitalist atheist west won't survive for a month in despotic regimes like North Korea. This is just like most of the Iranian Mullah lovers are usually living in West themselves but they want Islamic laws in Iran.

Saying that western institutions have not made any real scientific or tech achievements is laughable. They still rank top in the world in quality of their work (use any metric but H-inex is most reliable). Cambridge alone has more Nobel laureates than entire Asia. Their gigantic STEM R&D output is bigger than rest of the globe and translates into actual industrial commercialized products through which they economically colonize the planet. There is a reason their corps often have higher asset value than entire countries. The idea that their achievements are based on "inflated" figures sounds like coming from someone who does not even understand how data is gathered.
Are these countries to be idealised? not exactly, they are murderous and genocidal hypocrital regimes being controlled by Corrupt mafias like Zionists but we can admire the quality of their work.

 

[royalharris]

Comparing Iran to North Korea is like comparing night and day literally when it comes to education, science, and overall development of two nations. Iran's GDP is around 15 times higher than DPRK despite the wars, conflicts, crippling sanctions on IRI, and there is ZERO debt on Iran. Iran also ranks much higher on the HDI having much better living standards, education and healthcare. Iranian universities rank among the best in the region and even compete globally, North Korean universities are practically invisible in international rankings.
Meanwhile Iran is a somewhat of a powerhouse in STEM fields, with its R&D output (citations/per document and H-index) often outperform majority of the European countries. Look it up on Scimajor. Where is DPRK in those rankings? Iranian diasporas in countries like Germany, Canada, and US where we mostly live, have higher advanced education and earn more than the local average, particularly in STEM fields. In US we beat even the White and Asian americans in average household income. North Korean diaspora is made of refugees and defectors.
I am not against North Koreans. Its a friendly nation and has helped Iran in 80s-mid 90s. They are trustworthy, hardworking people but not comparable to Iran by any means. Mullah run IRI with all its faults beats Communist hermit regime of DPRK by margins. No offence to North Koreans.



What an ill informed post. Baathist Iraq was supported by USSR to extremes, entire Arab league + PGCC, EU and later on by US as well.

USSR kept providing them with whatever most advanced weapons was available in USSR itself, be it missiles, bombers, fighter jets, helis, tanks and what not. Iran would eliminate few from the battlefield and replenishment will arrive only twice the size. Iran had to smuggle or create spare parts at home for its fighter jets, adapt SAMs for A2A missiles, our people had no support.
European powers UK, France, Germany supplied Saddam with tech for binary nerve agents that were used on Iranian population. Its funny how these same countries later on blaming Baathists for having WMD, the same weapon they themselves supplied to Iraq only 15 years ago. France was supplying Baathists with its most advanced fighter jets for exports at that time in bulk, it kept on doing that till the end of war. Had the war continued SU-27 and Mirage-2000 were being TOTed to Iraq along with more TU-22M while Iranian fighter jets flew on cannibalized parts still IRIAF destroyed the Iraqi AF.
Billions and Billions of $ in cash and gold came from PGCC and the entire Arab League while Iran was being sanctioned for exporting its oil. Do not for a second think that Iran just fought Iraq. It was Iran against most of the world. Yet Iran humiliated baathist arabs and failed their invasion, destroyed Saddams large military and in broader perspective see we know what Iran did to that place. Who said war is just fighting. People wont like it here but there is one country in Middle east that supported Iran.



Closet communist fetishists living and enjoying cozy lives in the capitalist atheist west won't survive for a month in despotic regimes like North Korea. This is just like most of the Iranian Mullah lovers are usually living in West themselves but they want Islamic laws in Iran.

Saying that western institutions have not made any real scientific or tech achievements is laughable. They still rank top in the world in quality of their work (use any metric but H-inex is most reliable). Cambridge alone has more Nobel laureates than entire Asia. Their gigantic STEM R&D output is bigger than rest of the globe and translates into actual industrial commercialized products through which they economically colonize the planet. There is a reason their corps often have higher asset value than entire countries. The idea that their achievements are based on "inflated" figures sounds like coming from someone who does not even understand how data is gathered.
Are these countries to be idealised? not exactly, they are murderous and genocidal hypocrital regimes being controlled by Corrupt mafias like Zionists but we can admire the quality of their work.

It's all a set of things brainwashed by the West, playing these so-called number games. Speaking of university rankings, do you think the university rankings of Europe and the UK are real? What outstanding technologies have Europe and the UK developed now? And what outstanding companies do they have? Their university rankings are completely fake.

For example, the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge in the UK have made no remarkable achievements in high-tech and high-technology disciplines. However, in disciplines such as literature, art, and drama, which some might consider "boasting" disciplines, they manage to rank themselves very high. In fact, such rankings are completely valueless and meaningless.

Then there's GDP. For instance, a large portion of the US GDP is generated by medical malpractice, medical insurance, and legal lawsuits. What's the point of that? It's just an empty internal cycle. In the US, the price of one egg can buy 50 eggs in China. What's the significance of that in terms of value?

Thirdly, have you ever been to North Korea? Have you ever understood the real life of the North Korean people? Have you ever known their genuine opinions?

Why does the United States want to make a global retreat and abandon Ukraine? Because the United States knows its own real strength best. Calculated according to GDP, the US military expenditure is nearly four times that of China's, but in terms of actual purchasing power, it is exactly the opposite. Why is it that China has developed the sixth-generation fighter jets, while the United States suddenly has a change of heart and appeals for China, the United States and Russia to cut military expenditures? Because according to the false number games created by the West, the United States can no longer sustain it.

 

[That_Guy]

New 2 Frigate and submarine

Post in thread 'North Korea Defence Forum'

Mar 8, 2025

South Korean News Agency YONHAP NEWS On 8 March, the Korean Central News Agency reports,
President Kim Jong un inspected shipbuilding work at major shipyards there.
It is reported that he inspected the construction of a nuclear-powered submarine and a large warship
In the photos one can see new, sharp images of the frigate under construction from which one can surmise the dimensions.
Frigate under constructio Nampo




Frigate under construction Chongjin



and only partially those of the nuclear submarine...

• sahureka2

No evidence these are any good, or anything more than static display.

 

[royalharris]

The first industrial revolution originated from the steam engine, the second industrial revolution from electrification, the third industrial revolution from computer and information technology, and the fourth industrial revolution from artificial intelligence. Maybe Europe once had an academic lead for a certain period during the first and second industrial revolutions, but it has completely fallen behind in the third and fourth industrial revolutions. Just count for yourself. How many global computer technology companies, semiconductor companies, or artificial intelligence companies come from these European countries? Or are there any founders of these companies who graduated from these so-called prestigious European universities?

In such a situation, don't you think it's really ridiculous that the universities in Europe and the UK still rank so high? As for Iran, many of the elites within the country have precisely fallen into these ridiculous numerical traps created by the Westerners.


The Russia-Ukraine war is a touchstone for Europe. When the United States withdraws from the situation, Europe has exposed its true strength. Europe currently lacks the ability to build a complete modern military technology and industrial system. Not to mention the sixth-generation fighter jets, they don't even have the capability to manufacture fifth-generation fighter jets. Up to now, Europe is unable to develop an engine suitable for powering fifth-generation fighter jets, let alone the technologies in other aspects, such as AI technology, materials technology, and so on.

However, Europe is still very adept at creating various lists and indices to show how advanced it is. I think only some of the so-called elites from third-world countries would believe in these false rankings and empty boasts.

 

[royalharris]

Comparing Iran to North Korea is like comparing night and day literally when it comes to education, science, and overall development of two nations. Iran's GDP is around 15 times higher than DPRK despite the wars, conflicts, crippling sanctions on IRI, and there is ZERO debt on Iran. Iran also ranks much higher on the HDI having much better living standards, education and healthcare. Iranian universities rank among the best in the region and even compete globally, North Korean universities are practically invisible in international rankings.
Meanwhile Iran is a somewhat of a powerhouse in STEM fields, with its R&D output (citations/per document and H-index) often outperform majority of the European countries. Look it up on Scimajor. Where is DPRK in those rankings? Iranian diasporas in countries like Germany, Canada, and US where we mostly live, have higher advanced education and earn more than the local average, particularly in STEM fields. In US we beat even the White and Asian americans in average household income. North Korean diaspora is made of refugees and defectors.
I am not against North Koreans. Its a friendly nation and has helped Iran in 80s-mid 90s. They are trustworthy, hardworking people but not comparable to Iran by any means. Mullah run IRI with all its faults beats Communist hermit regime of DPRK by margins. No offence to North Koreans.



What an ill informed post. Baathist Iraq was supported by USSR to extremes, entire Arab league + PGCC, EU and later on by US as well.

USSR kept providing them with whatever most advanced weapons was available in USSR itself, be it missiles, bombers, fighter jets, helis, tanks and what not. Iran would eliminate few from the battlefield and replenishment will arrive only twice the size. Iran had to smuggle or create spare parts at home for its fighter jets, adapt SAMs for A2A missiles, our people had no support.
European powers UK, France, Germany supplied Saddam with tech for binary nerve agents that were used on Iranian population. Its funny how these same countries later on blaming Baathists for having WMD, the same weapon they themselves supplied to Iraq only 15 years ago. France was supplying Baathists with its most advanced fighter jets for exports at that time in bulk, it kept on doing that till the end of war. Had the war continued SU-27 and Mirage-2000 were being TOTed to Iraq along with more TU-22M while Iranian fighter jets flew on cannibalized parts still IRIAF destroyed the Iraqi AF.
Billions and Billions of $ in cash and gold came from PGCC and the entire Arab League while Iran was being sanctioned for exporting its oil. Do not for a second think that Iran just fought Iraq. It was Iran against most of the world. Yet Iran humiliated baathist arabs and failed their invasion, destroyed Saddams large military and in broader perspective see we know what Iran did to that place. Who said war is just fighting. People wont like it here but there is one country in Middle east that supported Iran.



Closet communist fetishists living and enjoying cozy lives in the capitalist atheist west won't survive for a month in despotic regimes like North Korea. This is just like most of the Iranian Mullah lovers are usually living in West themselves but they want Islamic laws in Iran.

Saying that western institutions have not made any real scientific or tech achievements is laughable. They still rank top in the world in quality of their work (use any metric but H-inex is most reliable). Cambridge alone has more Nobel laureates than entire Asia. Their gigantic STEM R&D output is bigger than rest of the globe and translates into actual industrial commercialized products through which they economically colonize the planet. There is a reason their corps often have higher asset value than entire countries. The idea that their achievements are based on "inflated" figures sounds like coming from someone who does not even understand how data is gathered.
Are these countries to be idealised? not exactly, they are murderous and genocidal hypocrital regimes being controlled by Corrupt mafias like Zionists but we can admire the quality of their work.

During the Iran-Iraq War, you can enumerate a lot of so-called equipment support. But you have to remember that during the Korean War, these countries actually sent their own troops onto the battlefield, rather than just providing that so-called equipment support.

It's simply not a war of the same level or dimension.The Iran-Iraq War was like two children fighting, while the Korean War was a confrontation between two blocs.

 

[Piet]

IAIO head talked of double duplex datalinking between Kowsar and UCAVs. If UCAVs are autonomously operating then its a MUM-T, otherwise just a plain datalinking between manned and unmanned aircrafts. An encrypted exchange of search and track information. I believe it's the later one. Effective nonetheless. Imagine a formation of 4 Kowsars with multiple linked A2A armed Karrars, Kaman-22 E-Warfare platforms etc. They can provide area coverage while heavier fighters can leap out freely.

IRGCAF SU-22M3/M4 also have datalinking with UCAVs btw.

I think that there even might be a 3rd Link.

Will investigate and get back to this.

Piet