Attack on Jaffer Express

[Bilal]

Bhai you may not agree but believe it or not our rulers are incompetent, they don't make short and long term counter policies, instead they play different groups against each other but over the years these groups then turn on the state, they then try to arm twist them and at times it doesn't work. The points you are making can be done by an educated professional government people, who know exactly how to win people over and bring them in the mainstream.

What happened to NAP?

 

[PakAl]

And to a young frustrated mind, with nothing better to do, they seem like the best thing to happen to them.

The demographic I described in the first post on the topic is what makes up the segment of society which is often seen as a bane, i.e. drug addicts, petty criminals, and so on. It just depends the environment those people are living in. A guy from Islamabad might get into drugs, but someone in Turbat or wherever would find a BLA handler. That's what makes up the foot soldiers.

But how they targeted educated western Muslims to fight for ISIS, these guys are not uneducated but some left doctor jobs to fight for Imam Mahdi army ISIS (as brainwashed). You see they didn't have any identity or basic Islamic knowledge and got brainwashed by very clever people who act like mullahs. Basic Islamic knowledge is fard on Muslims, especially during this fitna time where we have 100s of peope on YouTube brainwashing people, they repeat their words 1000s of times and before you know it your a zombie. In the West we have Islamic movements who have soft spot for isis and their members claim they have contacts in Muslim armies, this is the level they operate at, they are not retards but highly intelligent people, yes the low level members are waste of space but the main leaders are different level.

The point is what do we have to counter these dangerous ideologies, you cannot use gun to kill ideas, you need a powerful ideology to destroy their narrative and believe me these guys fall like pack of cards, they are weak but the way they do it makes it so powerful.

 

[PakAl]

To ham dono aik hi bakwas kar rahay hain, aur koi nhn sunta.

This is why they say listen and understand each other carefully, maybe your saying the same thing and can unite as a powerful force.

 

[PakAl]

@DESERT FIGHTER bhaiyon yeh tau sabh hi aik hi baath ker rahay hien.

Mager jisne maanna hai woh nahi maan raha bas.

And Jango one more to add to your post. Along with those steps, it would be important to break the recruitment and indoctrination network. All those marxist types who have seeped into our academia?

Don't destroy but counter them in all fields, on media, colleges, universities, schools, on the streets, on the battlefield. Don't let them breath. Will our high level untouchable government officials waste their precious time on this? I give you example we have embassies, consulates in the whole world but our ambassadors never bother to help overseas, or stay in touch with them, the Turkish ones are very active, once this Turkish women who had mental issues needed help, my relative contacted Turkish embassy and they made sure she went back to Turkey, imagine if it was Pakistani embassy, they wouldn't want to waste their time.

 

[PakAl]

why is PKK at it? pretty sure kurds live better lives compared to us anyways.

I met Kurds, they are loaded, live a good life but think of themselves as some superior race, they will never change, even after 100 years they will backstab Turkey Syria Iraq and Iran to make their own state so I get your point. I pray balochis are not like this.

 

[PakAl]

What happened to NAP?

We on PDF also make good plans but they just stay on PDF, NAP is probably full of dust and who will implement NAP? Pmln? PPP? PTI? JI? JUI? We need a Pak Nationalist political movement, that wants to make changes, upgrade the state, education system, make counter ideology to the fitna ones but I guess Nawaz Sharif may become the head so we will be back to square one. InshaAllah one day we will reach that level but the fear is world eyes are turning to our region, it may not look like that but it suddenly explodes in to uncontrollably situation, a situation army alone cannot counter.

 

[HAIDER]

We on PDF also make good plans but they just stay on PDF, NAP is probably full of dust and who will implement NAP? Pmln? PPP? PTI? JI? JUI? We need a Pak Nationalist political movement, that wants to make changes, upgrade the state, education system, make counter ideology to the fitna ones but I guess Nawaz Sharif may become the head so we will be back to square one. InshaAllah one day we will reach that level but the fear is world eyes are turning to our region, it may not look like that but it suddenly explodes in to uncontrollably situation, a situation army alone cannot counter.

Right now such a massive national disaster , military and PMLN keep focusing on PTI and its politics ....lol...seems your Pakistan army is now only Punjab police. The whole top cream of the military has to replace

 

[Bilal]

We on PDF also make good plans but they just stay on PDF, NAP is probably full of dust and who will implement NAP? Pmln? PPP? PTI? JI? JUI? We need a Pak Nationalist political movement, that wants to make changes, upgrade the state, education system, make counter ideology to the fitna ones but I guess Nawaz Sharif may become the head so we will be back to square one. InshaAllah one day we will reach that level but the fear is world eyes are turning to our region, it may not look like that but it suddenly explodes in to uncontrollably situation, a situation army alone cannot counter.

You can have all the movement you want. The moment it threatens the control of you know who, you’ll have a dala outside your home with much more resolve to crush you than that to fight the actual terrorists.

 

[HAIDER]

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[HAIDER]

Reality check ...check this Indian coverage/propaganda and this military is busy kidnapping PTI and accusing PTI..but they don t dare to say anything to India....instead they turn their guns toward Afghanistan ...

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@Signalian check this buddy ... seems soldiers are intentionally turned into cannon fodder ...

 

[Lulldapull]

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Everybody getting a clue now......He just didn't want to or was not allowed to say it out of fear or reservations........but we know.......

Khuda ka shuker bhai, people finding out the truth........lol

 

[PakAl]

Right now such a massive national disaster military and PMLN keep focus on PTI and its politics ....lol...seems your Pakistan army is now only Punjab police. The whole top cream of the military has to replace

I dont get what makes them do this. Imran Khan is in jail but they keep all focus on him, it's like he comes in their dreams. If army/government had any plan it would already be implemented by now, instead they're just playing low level politics but don't understand this is high level stuff. In 10 years we be talking about this just like we have been doing it for the last 20 years.

 

[HAIDER]

I dont get what makes them do this. Imran Khan is in jail but they keep all focus on him, it's like he comes in their dreams. If army/government had any plan it would already be implemented by now, instead they're just playing low level politics but don't understand this is high level stuff. In 10 years we be talking about this just like we have been doing it for the last 20 years.

Now every retired and onduty military officers are worried behind closed doors, what Munir and company is doing, country is out there hands. KPK and Baluchistan are now byond their control ....

 

[PakAl]

You can have all the movement you want. The moment it threatens the control of you know who, you’ll have a dala outside your home with much more resolve to crush you than that to fight the actual terrorists.

They need to understand this will not work when your on the next hitlist. Those who play big games want you to go outside homes and use danda (wts a dala lol). Then it be your downfall. Gaddafi tried to please the extremists, even became strict himself but they still did not spare him, Bashar Al Assad was secular so never had any plan to counter the islamist, the amount of propaganda used against him was shocking. Pakistan cannot be powerful without people rule, you know who need to make some changes, speak to the political parties, give and take, allow young educated people to come to politics, bring news ideas to unite Pakistan.

 

[imadul]

And this is the level of seriousness of perhaps our most senior minister

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Khair serious ho kar bhi is munafiq nay kia kar lena hai, in say to apni shakal nhn dhoi jati fauj ki ijazat kay baghair,

They always did like that. We were easily befooled.
Even ignored the monstrous treachery of 1971.