Attack on Jaffer Express

[Bilal]

i’m sure jango sb will answer, since he’s the expert and i’m a noob.

Aray bhai seriously. I want to know.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Aray bhai seriously. I want to know.

why is PKK at it? pretty sure kurds live better lives compared to us anyways.

 

[Jango]

and you are the type who keeps telling us the way to lahore but can’t pay for the ticket.

kahani suna raha ha solution poucho, koi nai.

1- Provide political ownership to the population, hold actual elections. This can't be done now, situation is pretty messed up already, you will have to manage it. But then choose the people who are actually interested in the development of the region, and not only interested in using you as a source to earn money. More specifically, not these people:

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Raat ko Kohsar market chalay jao Balochistan kay adhay stakeholder udhr bethe hotay hain, sipping coffee, and some do indulge in Whiskey as well, but those are usually in Karachi.

2- Stop using Balochistan as your personal playground and remove your stranglehold on the people in the province. You can't even control the narrative in Gwadar, and you have to resort to blackouts even there. Why did you feel the need to kick out the local people there? Why couldn't you include them in your adventures?

3- Pursue a targeted, direct military operation against the terrorist elements. Target them in their hideouts, target them in Afghanistan, go down with full force. PTI aur Cholistan main kheti bari say thori der kay liay break lay lo. I saw a news article today where DJ ISPR 'requested' the Taliban not to support the Baloch terrorist organizations. I think we are far from the stage of requests now, don't you think? But wait, you literally don't have the money for that. I am sure you'd know, if you don't, ask your brother.

And this is how we tie it all back to the general economic and social condition of the country. You do not have support among the general population right now, as compared to let's say 2008 or thereabouts. Why do you think that is? Some homework.

Now you see why you can't look at things naively from a singular perspective when talking about national level issues? Magr fauji ko yeh sab nhn nazar ata. Baat pasand nhn ayi, channel band kar do. Banda acha nhn laga, utha lo.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

1- Provide political ownership to the population, hold actual elections. This can't be done now, situation is pretty messed up already, you will have to manage it. But then choose the people who are actually interested in the development of the region, and not only interested in using you as a source to earn money. More specifically, not these people:

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Raat ko Kohsar market chalay jao Balochistan kay adhay stakeholder udhr bethe hotay hain, sipping coffee, and some do indulge in Whiskey as well, but those are usually in Karachi.

2- Stop using Balochistan as your personal playground and remove your stranglehold on the people in the province. You can't even control the narrative in Gwadar, and you have to resort to blackouts even there. Why did you feel the need to kick out the local people there? Why couldn't you include them in your adventures?

3- Pursue a targeted, direct military operation against the terrorist elements. Target them in their hideouts, target them in Afghanistan, go down with full force. PTI aur Cholistan main kheti bari say thori der kay liay break lay lo. I saw a news article today where DJ ISPR 'requested' the Taliban not to support the Baloch terrorist organizations. I think we are far from the stage of requests now, don't you think? But wait, you literally don't have the money for that. I am sure you'd know, if you don't, ask your brother.

And this is how we tie it all back to the general economic and social condition of the country. You do not have support among the general population right now, as compared to let's say 2008 or thereabouts. Why do you think that is? Some homework.

Now you see why you can't look at things naively from a singular perspective when talking about national level issues? Magr fauji ko yeh sab nhn nazar ata. Baat pasand nhn ayi, channel band kar do. Banda acha nhn laga, utha lo.

yehi bakwas mein 2008 say pdf per kar raha hoon.

your 2.5 points.

 

[Jango]

@Jango. how many students from QAU etc were found involved in terrorist attacks? all were on paid scholarships studying in one of the best universities.

why or who indoctrinated them?

also have you ever been to balochistan?

Dude, did you even read my first post?

And come on, QAU one of the best universities? No offence to anyone studying, but most of the people studying in those places are practically in universities studying grad programs because they chose Arts in FSc because they were nalayeq, then did BA in philosophy from some 5 classroom university in Turbat, then because they couldn't get a job so they went to QAU/AIOU/NUML/SZABIST (SZABIST main zyada party crowd jata hai magr, not the BLA kind), take your pick.

And yes, many times.

Edit: Alright, might have been a bit harsh there. There are definitely some very bright students in those places as well, and in very good programs too. What I just described is a significant number of the student body as well.

And the nalayeq student I described, it's not really his fault for the most part. He didn't have a good primary school to go to (that is considering he DID go to school in the first place, because he did not have a school within 10 km of his home! ), didn't have any educaitonal foundation, aur sham ko woh larka apnay baap kay sath puncture lagata tha. Can't really blame him for being stunted at the age of 18. And this is how we again tie up to the government performing it's most basic function of governance for the people.

 

[PakAl]

Not just that. Far Left types also undermine national narrative. And when that happens, ethno-tribalism takes the space once occupied by nationalism.

Few months back that was the situation in Canada. Likes of Trudue were calling it a "Post National State", a weird far far left fantasy. So there were all kinds of people in Canada waving their own flags. Khalistani, Sanghis, Ukrainian types, White supremacist Trump leaning MAGA types, "**** Truedue" types ... Every one but Canadian types. People used to fly anything but Canada's flag.

A crisis pushes far left out and bring the sanity back. Now nation is more united than ever.

Same can happen in Pakistan, if a strong nationalist sentiment takes over, it will push out left leaning and ethno-tribalism. Never let a crisis go waste. Push for the change needed.

Good point. India is way ahead when it comes to a strong national narrative but Pakistan rulers are incompetent, If our rulers promote a strong national narrative i can gurantee these people will be reduces to ashes. The issue is our ruling elite is secular, we have all sort of different ideologies competing for power and influence, plus foreign imported jihadi ideologies. The military when cornered uses force to destroy but it doesn't work, you cannot kill ideas. Look at Imran Khan, he is west educated, intelligent man, cricket captain, he used a narrative to bring the youth on his side but when differences with army, they couldn't counter him so ended up using force. If they were clever they would make him an ally and work with him, instead they cornered him and made him an enemy. If Pakistan had strong national ideology then even Imran Khan wouldn't go against it as he would be rejected by the people, the same with balochi terrorists.

 

[Jango]

Brainwashing is dangerous. In the western world we had educated Muslims, doctors, graduates who went to Syria to live under ISIS rule, in their minds it was God's kingdom on earth, even women went to sleep with 100 mujahdeens to satisfy them so that they are ready to fight for Islam the next day. The brainwashers are very nice people, sweet and powerful talkers, they just have the magic to control you.

And to a young frustrated mind, with nothing better to do, they seem like the best thing to happen to them.

The demographic I described in the first post on the topic is what makes up the segment of society which is often seen as a bane, i.e. drug addicts, petty criminals, and so on. It just depends the environment those people are living in. A guy from Islamabad might get into drugs, but someone in Turbat or wherever would find a BLA handler. That's what makes up the foot soldiers.

 

[Jango]

yehi bakwas mein 2008 say pdf per kar raha hoon.

your 2.5 points.

To ham dono aik hi bakwas kar rahay hain, aur koi nhn sunta.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dude, did you even read my first post?

And come on, QAU one of the best universities? No offence to anyone studying, but most of the people studying in those places are practically in universities studying grad programs because they chose Arts in FSc because they were nalayeq, then did BA in philosophy from some 5 classroom university in Turbat, then because they couldn't get a job so they went to QAU/AIOU/NUML/SZABIST (SZABIST main zyada party crowd jata hai magr, not the BLA kind), take your pick.

And yes, many times.

Edit: Alright, might have been a bit harsh there. There are definitely some very bright students in those places as well, and in very good programs too. What I just described is a significant number of the student body as well.

pata nai bro, i studied law at PULC… after wasting my time at external law prog/london univ lol

 

[Bilal]

To ham dono aik hi bakwas kar rahay hain, aur koi nhn sunta.

@DESERT FIGHTER bhaiyon yeh tau sabh hi aik hi baath ker rahay hien.

Mager jisne maanna hai woh nahi maan raha bas.

And Jango one more to add to your post. Along with those steps, it would be important to break the recruitment and indoctrination network. All those marxist types who have seeped into our academia?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@DESERT FIGHTER bhaiyon yeh tau sabh hi aik hi baath ker rahay hien.

Mager jisne maanna hai woh nahi maan raha bas.

And Jango one more to add to your post. Along with those steps, it would be important to break the recruitment and indoctrination network. All those marxist types who have seeped into our academia?

they are busy comparing bla to hamas.

 

[Bilal]

they are busy comparing bla to hamas.

Landay ke intellectuals.

 

[PakAl]

We should seriously get Russia/ China/ Iran involved here before our nook goes up in flames too just like da Sy-Raaq and Libya/ Labnaan etc.......

Trump sahb has taken off da mask bhai........if yous got resources or money or oil n gas/ minerals etc......its fukking ours!......tadda pyo vi kuch ne ker sakda no?

Now these mofo's in Kabul on direct line with Langley no?.......

We are not stupid bro........we know!

They arm both sides.......with both hands......this is how they operate.

Pakistan can easily create 100,000 joint border security force with Iran, hold 100km operations within each other territories, don't let the terrorists, separatists, narcos breath. Iran is ready but Pakistan is not?

With the Taliban its abit more complex, Taliban biggest rival is ISIS, who funds and trains ISIS to fight Taliban? they even banned Salafis/wahabis in Afghanistan, announced Hanafi Fiqh as official fiqh to counter ISIS ideology. Do you know who the Taliban blames for ISIS? They blame ISI and CIA jointly, the same CIA who funded and trained isis in other nations to destroy them, once destroyed they fight the same isis and in return overtake the resources. What game is Pakistan and ISI playing, they are being found out, they cannot compete against CIA and Mossad, they are masters of deception.

 

[Jango]

pata nai bro, i studied law at PULC… after wasting my time at external law prog/london univ lol

Yeah ofc don't take my generalization at face value, they are always bad. But you get my point. I've got professors in my family in two of the 4 universities I mentioned, so pretty good idea.

Also totally agree with you, those external programs are the biggest scams in Pakistan right now, literal money making schemes.

 

[PakAl]

yehi bakwas mein 2008 say pdf per kar raha hoon.

your 2.5 points.

Bhai you may not agree but believe it or not our rulers are incompetent, they don't make short and long term counter policies, instead they play different groups against each other but over the years these groups then turn on the state, they then try to arm twist them and at times it doesn't work. The points you are making can be done by a educated professional government people, who know exactly how to win people over and bring them in the mainstream.