Joint Statement of the Beijing Meeting between China, Russia and Iran

[Zsari]

You truly believe that a state that has mastered the full nuclear fuel cycle has problems developing a fission weapon? You do know that it's all about the fuel cycle yeah? Henceforth why the fuel cycle has always been monopolised by the major powers.
If Iran wanted nuclear weapons then there wouldn't anything, anyone can do about it if Iran was willing to pay the price for such acquisition. For a hundred years now all we've heard is that Iran was on the cusp of getting the bomb and still there's no bomb to found. That's one hell of a breakout time I'd say.

It is exactly this lack of political will to become a full fledged nuclear power that puts Iran in this position today. As Trump will say, you have no cards. Without nuclear deterrence, Israel can bomb it any time and US could join in as well. There is little China or Russia can do.

 

[ety]

It is exactly this lack of political will to become a full fledged nuclear power that puts Iran in this position today. As Trump will say, you have no cards. Without nuclear deterrence, Israel can bomb it any time and US could join in as well. There is little China or Russia can do.

If US and Israeli bomb or attack Iran, next, if China or Russia get involved directly or fight for Iran, then this is probably going to lead to WW III, and China and Russia may not be prepared for. So, it's better Iran beefs up its defense such as have the bomb for ultimate deterrence.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

How can Pakistan help if China cannot or will not help ?! Makes no sense. China is stronger, and should be able to help more than any other country.

besides the NPT there is also tacit agreement among the P5 that will make it a delicate matter, however Pakistan is in a unique position, the fact that Pakistan never gets sanctioned for its nuclear program suggets there is a certain ostrich policy on its nukes,
if Pakistan did help Iran as long as there is plausible deniability the west will look into the north Korean angle and call it a night

 

[PakAl]

The question is what will they do if the US and Israel attack Iran's nuclear sites?

They are definitely not going to jump in, and neither the US nor Israel gives a damn about the UN. So what will Russia and China do that will actually matter?

If they had said we are supplying XYZ military hardware to Iran immediately, then that's something. But words?

We have been hearing for over a decade that Russia will sell su30s to Iran, then s400s, now su35s but Russia doesn't dare to do it, same with China, they can sell J10Cs but doesn't. It's all down to international pressure, Usa/Israel will not allow it. What i expect from Russia/China is to warn the west that Iran is part of SCO and an attack on Iran will not be acceptable.

 

[Ali_Baba]

besides the NPT there is also tacit agreement among the P5 that will make it a delicate matter, however Pakistan is in a unique position, the fact that Pakistan never gets sanctioned for its nuclear program suggets there is a certain ostrich policy on its nukes,
if Pakistan did help Iran as long as there is plausible deniability the west will look into the north Korean angle and call it a night

Utterly Ridiculous logic. If china wants to help it can do… just need to keep Pakistan out of it, she has enough problems right now as things stand.

 

[PakAl]

If US and Israeli bomb or attack Iran, next, if China or Russia get involved directly or fight for Iran, then this is probably going to lead to WW III, and China and Russia may not be prepared for. So, it's better Iran beefs up its defense such as have the bomb for ultimate deterrence.

Nato/Turkey were planning no fly zone over Syria but with Russian intervention they had to cancel. Syria only fell due to own population changing loyalties to Saudi Arabia, Turkey and allowing Jihadis to overtake the country. China/Russia certainly can stop Israeli/Usa attack.

 

[PakAl]

Utterly Ridiculous logic. If china wants to help it can do… just need to keep Pakistan out of it, she has enough problems right now as things stand.

Some say Pakistan nukes are under Usa control lol so I doubt Pakistan dares to share nuclear technology with other nations. Usa would screw the generals.

 

[Developereo]

Usa/Israel will not allow it.

Sadly, I suspect the greater pressure against these sales is probably from GCC Arabs.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Utterly Ridiculous logic. If china wants to help it can do… just need to keep Pakistan out of it, she has enough problems right now as things stand.

why do you not want to help Iran?? Iran is at frontline fighting the fight for all of us, as long as you acknowledge that the US-Israel axis is the very embodiment of pure evil thus the common enemy of mankind!

I saw you guys shitting on gulf Arabs for being cucks all the time, but you end up behaving just like them

 

[enroger]

You truly believe that a state that has mastered the full nuclear fuel cycle has problems developing a fission weapon? You do know that it's all about the fuel cycle yeah? Henceforth why the fuel cycle has always been monopolised by the major powers.
If Iran wanted nuclear weapons then there wouldn't anything, anyone can do about it if Iran was willing to pay the price for such acquisition. For a hundred years now all we've heard is that Iran was on the cusp of getting the bomb and still there's no bomb to found. That's one hell of a breakout time I'd say.

Capability is composed of two things: technical capability and political will.

If it is true as you say Iran has technical competence then it means they lack political will, which is even worse. Technical incompetence can be overcome, but lack of political will points to a much deeper weakness which cannot be easily overcome

 

[Developereo]

if Pakistan did help Iran as long as there is plausible deniability the west will look into the north Korean angle and call it a night

Pakistan did help Iran's nuclear program in the 1980s and they betrayed us and got us sanctioned.

The Muslim world is very complicated -- to the delight of our enemies.

 

[Tijani]

Capability is composed of two things: technical capability and political will.

If it is true as you say Iran has technical competence then it means they lack political will, which is even worse. Technical incompetence can be overcome, but lack of political will points to a much deeper weakness which cannot be easily overcome

Capability is composed of more than just two things but that's another discussion.
Your rational is flawed because of your basic assumption is illinformed or that you're intentionally omitting the fact that Iran has made a choice not to pursue nuclear weapons in it's defensive doctrine. So accusing it of lacking political and henceforth blaming her for this perceived fault is disingenuous at best.
If you wish to have a discussion concerning the suitability of this decision then that's entirely another matter.

 

[r3alist]

We have been hearing for over a decade that Russia will sell su30s to Iran, then s400s, now su35s but Russia doesn't dare to do it, same with China, they can sell J10Cs but doesn't. It's all down to international pressure, Usa/Israel will not allow it. What i expect from Russia/China is to warn the west that Iran is part of SCO and an attack on Iran will not be acceptable.

Current russia might be willing to

China carefully stays away from overt military assistance

Ultimately Iran never ever has expected help, only recent events have created an opening

 

[enroger]

Capability is composed of more than just two things but that's another discussion.
Your rational is flawed because of your basic assumption is illinformed or that you're intentionally omitting the fact that Iran has made a choice not to pursue nuclear weapons in it's defensive doctrine. So accusing it of lacking political and henceforth blaming her for this perceived fault is disingenuous at best.
If you wish to have a discussion concerning the suitability of this decision then that's entirely another matter.

If Iran is entirely uninterested in nuclear capability then why start pursue nuclear enrichment at all? For peaceful use they could have stopped at 20% enrichment or just import their fuel.

By keeping their nuclear program they gave the west excuse to sanction Iran. So please explain Iran's rationale because I cannot understand it at all.

It seems to me Iran has two course of action: Either scrape their nuclear program in exchange for sanction relieve; Or get serious with their nuclear program and produce useful deterrence.

Yet they choose to do neither of these things keeping themselves sanctioned AND having nothing to show for it, why?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Pakistan did help Iran's nuclear program in the 1980s and they betrayed us and got us sanctioned.

The Muslim world is very complicated -- to the delight of our enemies.

so complicated that they can't help with each other's problems in a quid pro quo manner?Does Pakistan need to be reminded that it can not root out the Baluchi insurgence without cooperations from the Iranian side?

it's been decades since 1980s, the Muslim world may fell for the divide and rule tactic by the west but now the western influence in the region is fastly waning, I think it's good time for any regional player to become more assertive and try to play a bigger role.