Royal Saudi Arabian Strategic Missile Force

All that is already done!

I want to see KSA enriching its Uranium now to civilian grades and building at least 8 nuclear reactors for electricity and sea water desalination..all with scientific ToT.. and this is the most important point!
This is the official goal and KSA should do everything in its power to make it happen as quickly as possible.

It would be optimal if most of the local energy consumption (huge and only growing) would be nuclear energy derived. It would free up more oil for exports as well as gas exports. Gas within KSA is almost used exclusively locally for energy use. Then there is green hydrogen.

Anyway it makes perfect sense from a financial, energy, security and geopolitical viewpoint.

I consider it the single most important project and I would prefer that those nuclear plants were already being constructed. It has taken far too long since the stated goals almost 10 years ago.

I know that there is a lot of vital politics involved but you got to do it soon. All 4 units of the Barakah nuclear power plant in the UAE are finished. It took 12 years from the construction of unit 1 to finishing all 4 unites in 2024. Now it supplies 25% of all UAE's electricity needs.


KSA should have at least 5-8 such Barakah nuclear power plants. From North to South, to Hejaz to Eastern Province to Najd.

But let us assume that such nuclear power plants need to be built close to the water, no problem either. Make 4 on each coastline and connect it with the remaining energy grid of the country.
 
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BTW I would love to know whether the domestically produced Saudi Arabian ballistic missiles have a bigger range than the DF-3, DF-21 and other missiles in the RSASMF arsenal. Also how much modification has occurred to keep them up to date and improve them.

I also wonder whether there is work to have an ICBM capability in the future if not the case already.
 
@The SC

What is your estimation of the domestic missiles in the RSASMF arsenal? Do you think that they are all based on the DF-3, DF-21 (potentially other Chinese missiles?) or would there be others as well? We can almost with certainty say that the KSA-Ukraine cooperation in the past 10-15 years probably gave rise to the Hrim-2 missile.


Scud missiles have probably also been copied.

I am curious, have there ever been any reports of KSA missile cooperation with the likes of USSR/Russia? Or even the likes of North Korea? We all know that North Korea and Iran have worked together on this front for example.

Of course not including the Pakistan option here.

Old news:

KF-500 Saudi Arabian made jet engine used in small private aircraft, drones, and guided missiles. The engine was developed in JV by Brazil turbomachine company and KACST (King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology)

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Saudi Arabian manufactured and developed cruise missile (land-sea) and (land-to-ground)

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110 km range, work ongoing on increasing the range to 200 km.

More old news but yet telling:

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According to a Saudi Arabian source: The Saudi Arabian ballistic missile that appeared in the last defense exhibition was tested outside Saudi Arabia by the forces … while it did not refer to the area in which it was tested. -: Work is currently underway on additional development to increase the range - : It is expected that additional information about the missile will appear soon.

Here 2.5 years later, correct me if I am wrong, we still don't know the identity of the missile due to the secrecy.

This photo for instance is 20 + years old (early 2000's):

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Another telling photos from almost 15 years ago:

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DF-3A on the far left, Pakistani (I alluded to it earlier) Ghauri 1 missile on the right and in the middle the Ghauri 3 missile I believe?

Lastly, there have been some rumours of the DF-17 (HGV) and Saudi Arabia as well.

Curious to hear from our Chinese friends, what they have been reading/hearing about on this topic.

@The SC
I hadn't noticed that PDF actually had this thread. Saudi Arabia's strategic missile force is top secret information. It's not just top secret Saudi information, it's also top secret Chinese information. I wouldn't recommend discussing it publicly. Public discussion of this topic tends to involve inappropriate content.

Also if KSA and Iran develops closer ties, now that ties are mostly non-hostile, neutral and starting to improve, could there be a cooperation on this front? Most likely very far-fetched but If we have buried the hatchet there is no reason not to potentially share technology/founding/a mutually beneficial partnership. It is not like KSA and Iran have fought wars against each other previously or are likely to do it in the future either. If it did not occur between 1979 and 2023 it likely won't occur in the future either.

At least the Iranians, unlike us, don't have this degree of secrecy involved and it is much more exciting for them to follow their developments on this front. We have to do with some Western reports every 3-5 years and some hints here and there and reports here and there. :cautious:

As a last comment, a thought experiment, now that Russia is heavily cash-strapped what would it take for them to be willing to share some of their missile tech with KSA if the offer is good enough? What would 10 billion USD get for instance?

Now with US trying to lure Russia back into the Western fold and to end hostilities, we could give the Russians some kind of deal where they could have access (joint naval base for instance) to the Red Sea or Gulf. Of course policies in regards to Horn of Africa/Sahel/Africa and the region must align first.

I would cooperate with North Korea as well and everyone else willing to cooperate.
 
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Curious to hear from our Chinese friends, what they have been reading/hearing about on this topic.
Oh. I'm very sorry. It's not appropriate for Chinese people to talk too much on this topic.

According to public information. China exported some DF-3 ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia in the 1980s.
Since Saudi Arabia does not have an independent ballistic missile launch capability, the PLA 2nd Artillery Corps (now called PLA Rocket Corps) set up a specialized unit to take care of the work. This unit is under the direct responsibility of a PLA Major General. The unit is known to the public as Golden Wheel Project Company(金轮工程公司).
To this day, this unit still exists. But their work is top secret and we cannot know about it.

There is a description on Wikipedia. However, it is only available in Chinese and not in other languages. You need to translate the content by yourself.
 
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Oh. I'm very sorry. It's not appropriate for Chinese people to talk too much on this topic.

According to public information. China exported some DF-3 ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia in the 1980s.
Since Saudi Arabia does not have an independent ballistic missile launch capability, the PLA 2nd Artillery Corps (now called PLA Rocket Corps) set up a specialized unit to take care of the work. This unit is under the direct responsibility of a PLA Major General. The unit is known to the public as Golden Wheel Project Company(金轮工程公司).
To this day, this unit still exists. But their work is top secret and we cannot know about it.

There is a description on Wikipedia. However, it is only available in Chinese and not in other languages. You need to translate the content by yourself.
What you have described occurred in the 1980's when the ballistic missile sector was first established in KSA by Chinese hands. Today, almost 40 years later, this is now a local Saudi Arabian affair. The Chinese support is much less nowadays. News in the past 10 years confirm this as well.

I was more in general referring to what people are writing about in China on this topic (it appears that there is a near total secrecy as well) in terms of more recent developments. I was just curious how much it differs from the Arab and Western sources if it does at all. I am completely clueless about this topic for good reason.
 
I was more in general referring to what people are writing about in China on this topic (it appears that there is a near total secrecy as well) in terms of more recent developments. I was just curious how much it differs from the Arab and Western sources if it does at all. I am completely clueless about this topic for good reason.
You don't seem to fully understand what I'm saying.

This unit of PLARF was created for the China-Saudi Arabia DF-3 ballistic missile deal. It was tasked with guiding and assisting Saudi Arabia in setting up missile launch/storage bases; training Saudi Arabian soldiers and officers in related work, etc.

In general, we believe that the unit's work has long been completed. It should have been disbanded long ago.

In 2016, the PLA underwent the largest military reform in its history. All PLA units, including the PLARF, underwent sweeping changes.The PLA underwent extensive streamlining and optimization, and all extraneous units have been disbanded or merged.
But, this unit still exists independently. It is directly under PLARF HQ and is under the direct authority of a Major General.

This means that the unit is still working. However, the specifics of what they do are top secret.

You can speculate all you want, but there will be no proof.
 
You don't seem to fully understand what I'm saying.

This unit of PLARF was created for the China-Saudi Arabia DF-3 ballistic missile deal. It was tasked with guiding and assisting Saudi Arabia in setting up missile launch/storage bases; training Saudi Arabian soldiers and officers in related work, etc.

In general, we believe that the unit's work has long been completed. It should have been disbanded long ago.

In 2016, the PLA underwent the largest military reform in its history. All PLA units, including the PLARF, underwent sweeping changes.The PLA underwent extensive streamlining and optimization, and all extraneous units have been disbanded or merged.
But, this unit still exists independently. It is directly under PLARF HQ and is under the direct authority of a Major General.

This means that the unit is still working. However, the specifics of what they do are top secret.

You can speculate all you want, but there will be no proof.
Well they had to do the same thing with the DF-21 and now too according to the western rumors that Saudi Arabia is working on its own ballistic missiles with assistance of China..
 
@The SC

What is your estimation of the domestic missiles in the RSASMF arsenal? Do you think that they are all based on the DF-3, DF-21 (potentially other Chinese missiles?) or would there be others as well? We can almost with certainty say that the KSA-Ukraine cooperation in the past 10-15 years probably gave rise to the Hrim-2 missile.


Scud missiles have probably also been copied.

I am curious, have there ever been any reports of KSA missile cooperation with the likes of USSR/Russia? Or even the likes of North Korea? We all know that North Korea and Iran have worked together on this front for example.

Of course not including the Pakistan option here.

Old news:

KF-500 Saudi Arabian made jet engine used in small private aircraft, drones, and guided missiles. The engine was developed in JV by Brazil turbomachine company and KACST (King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology)

1656888936100.png


1656888947756.png


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Solid-propellant rocket tested at KAUST:

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Several years old news:

Saudi Arabian manufactured and developed cruise missile (land-sea) and (land-to-ground)

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110 km range, work ongoing on increasing the range to 200 km.

More old news but yet telling:

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According to a Saudi Arabian source: The Saudi Arabian ballistic missile that appeared in the last defense exhibition was tested outside Saudi Arabia by the forces … while it did not refer to the area in which it was tested. -: Work is currently underway on additional development to increase the range - : It is expected that additional information about the missile will appear soon.

Here 2.5 years later, correct me if I am wrong, we still don't know the identity of the missile due to the secrecy.

This photo for instance is 20 + years old (early 2000's):

View attachment 104159

Another telling photos from almost 15 years ago:

View attachment 104158

DF-3A on the far left, Pakistani (I alluded to it earlier) Ghauri 1 missile on the right and in the middle the Ghauri 3 missile I believe?

Lastly, there have been some rumours of the DF-17 (HGV) and Saudi Arabia as well.

Curious to hear from our Chinese friends, what they have been reading/hearing about on this topic.



Also if KSA and Iran develops closer ties, now that ties are mostly non-hostile, neutral and starting to improve, could there be a cooperation on this front? Most likely very far-fetched but If we have buried the hatchet there is no reason not to potentially share technology/founding/a mutually beneficial partnership. It is not like KSA and Iran have fought wars against each other previously or are likely to do it in the future either. If it did not occur between 1979 and 2023 it likely won't occur in the future either.

At least the Iranians, unlike us, don't have this degree of secrecy involved and it is much more exciting for them to follow their developments on this front. We have to do with some Western reports every 3-5 years and some hints here and there and reports here and there. :cautious:

As a last comment, a thought experiment, now that Russia is heavily cash-strapped what would it take for them to be willing to share some of their missile tech with KSA if the offer is good enough? What would 10 billion USD get for instance?

Now with US trying to lure Russia back into the Western fold and to end hostilities, we could give the Russians some kind of deal where they could have access (joint naval base for instance) to the Red Sea or Gulf. Of course policies in regards to Horn of Africa/Sahel/Africa and the region must align first.

I would cooperate with North Korea as well and everyone else willing to cooperate.

What you have here is all of what is known..but It is not possible to have just 2 types of missiles with a 40 000 force of the Royal Saudi Arabian Strategic Missile Force.. there are obviously many other BMs..short, medium and long range ones..

We know that KSA wanted the Iskander missile from Russia but got the Ukranian version with full ToT.. which with the help of China can become the same as the Russian version..

You can take a look at the first page of this thread..Post #10 for example..
 
You don't seem to fully understand what I'm saying.

This unit of PLARF was created for the China-Saudi Arabia DF-3 ballistic missile deal. It was tasked with guiding and assisting Saudi Arabia in setting up missile launch/storage bases; training Saudi Arabian soldiers and officers in related work, etc.

In general, we believe that the unit's work has long been completed. It should have been disbanded long ago.

In 2016, the PLA underwent the largest military reform in its history. All PLA units, including the PLARF, underwent sweeping changes.The PLA underwent extensive streamlining and optimization, and all extraneous units have been disbanded or merged.
But, this unit still exists independently. It is directly under PLARF HQ and is under the direct authority of a Major General.

This means that the unit is still working. However, the specifics of what they do are top secret.

You can speculate all you want, but there will be no proof.
I think that we misunderstood each other.

This is very interesting. Are you saying that this Chinese unit is deployed/present in KSA as we speak?

Obviously something bigger is at play here but as you write it is all speculation unless some official confirmation emerges which is extremely doubtful.
 
@Michael @royalharris @MH.Yang (+ other Chinese users seeing this post and thread)

Where can I read more information about this topic in Mandarin?
 
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Does anyone have full access to the full reports of Tactical Report?

Friday, December 06, 2024

Saudi Arabia-China Defense Relations: Progress on hypersonic cooperation​


Saudi Minister of Defense Prince Khaled Bin Salman visited China on 25/6/2024.

During the visit, he discussed with the Chinese side defense cooperation in several fields, including hypersonic missiles.

The following note highlights key aspects in this regard including:

- Progress in Saudi-Chinese negotiations on hypersonic missile technology

- Insights on the recent Saudi-Chinese engagement related to missile collaboration and its implications

- Details of a potential agreement, including its technical components and expected timeline

- Advancements in Saudi missile infrastructure, supported by collaboration with China

 
Does anyone have full access to the full reports of Tactical Report?

Friday, December 06, 2024

Saudi Arabia-China Defense Relations: Progress on hypersonic cooperation​


Saudi Minister of Defense Prince Khaled Bin Salman visited China on 25/6/2024.

During the visit, he discussed with the Chinese side defense cooperation in several fields, including hypersonic missiles.

The following note highlights key aspects in this regard including:

- Progress in Saudi-Chinese negotiations on hypersonic missile technology

- Insights on the recent Saudi-Chinese engagement related to missile collaboration and its implications

- Details of a potential agreement, including its technical components and expected timeline

- Advancements in Saudi missile infrastructure, supported by collaboration with China

Saudi Arabia has designs of hypersonic missiles from Ukraine..any cooperation with China now is only to prove the technology and better it further..
 
Saudi Arabia has designs of hypersonic missiles from Ukraine..any cooperation with China now is only to prove the technology and better it further..
Any information about the bolded part?

Well, it is hard to know what degree of cooperation in this regard (hypersonic missiles) occurs with China. It would be nice to get access to that report from Tactical Report. Maybe it contains additional information.

There is a lot of noise in this regard in local Saudi Arabian and Arab sources but hard to know with certainty what is up and what is down here.
 
Any information about the bolded part?

Well, it is hard to know what degree of cooperation in this regard (hypersonic missiles) occurs with China. It would be nice to get access to that report from Tactical Report. Maybe it contains additional information.

There is a lot of noise in this regard in local Saudi Arabian and Arab sources but hard to know with certainty what is up and what is down here.
It is even bigger:

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https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a18212031/ukraine-saudi-arabia-space-plane/

I will find it for you and post it here..the same thing.. a computer design explaining the missile workings..
 
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