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Mr Iran Eye
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Very good article
Immortals
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China is less reliable partner than Russia for arms deals. Raw components or subsystems (ie gyroscopes) they are good since government doesn’t heavy regulate those things. But last major weapon system China gave to Iran was C-802 in 2000.
Why should Iran trust China would continue to support J-10C with spare parts and weapons? This is assuming China even would even go thru with the deal (I’m HIGHLY skeptical China would sell any major offensive weapon system to Iran).
SU-35 or J-10C is merely a stop gap for next 10-15 years.
Iran needs SU-75, SU-57, J-35, J-20 class type fighters for 2035 and beyond. At least enough to defend the airspace against enemy aerial attacks.
Khorasan Black Flags
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@Mr Iran Eye
Let them think our plasma weapons are fake [photoshop]
Who cares bro
We are working on plasma drones and plasma weapons for 4 decades
namnak.com
www.khabaronline.ir
www.sharghdaily.com
Several hundreds of our scientists have worked on our military plasma technology besides our missile, nuclear and drone technologies to give our country deterrence
Let them think our plasma weapons are fake [photoshop]
Who cares bro
We are working on plasma drones and plasma weapons for 4 decades
سلاح پلاسمایی ایران چیست و با سلاحهای لیزری چه تفاوتی دارد؟
پس از اخبار های منتشر شده در باره سلاح پلاسمایی ایران سوالاتی برای مردم بوجود آمده ازجمله سلاح پلاسمایی چیست و با سلاح های لیزری چه تفاوتی دارد؟ در این مطلب بخوانید.
namnak.com
مرموزترین جنگافزار جهان/ سلاح پلاسما چیست؟
سلاحهای پلاسمایی نوعی فناوری تسلیحاتی پیشرفتهاند که بهجای استفاده از مهمات سنتی مانند گلوله، از پلاسما استفاده میکنند.
www.khabaronline.ir
سلاح پلاسمایی چیست؟
به زودی شاهد رونمایی از اولین و بزرگترین سلاح پلاسمایی خواهیم بود که جمهوری اسلامی ایران به عنوان اولین دارنده این نوع سلاحها در سطح جهانی معرفی میکند.
www.sharghdaily.com
Several hundreds of our scientists have worked on our military plasma technology besides our missile, nuclear and drone technologies to give our country deterrence
BigMela2onin
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You need a lot of energy for such a weapon. There's a reason things like railguns or large lasers are prototyped as fixed land weapons or ship weapons. There's no way you're fitting such a weapon on a drone or plane unless it's the size of a 747.
Khorasan Black Flags
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Oranges cannot be compared with apples
The Iranian weapons are Unique and cannot be compared with laser weapons or other regular weapons which are similar with them in names
They are in small sizes but have massive power
Another miracle that Iran has created in decades are nuclear fueled plasma engines for it's unique plasma drones which can move with extremely fast speed and they can hit everywhere in the world just in seconds
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this is not reality
Khorasan Black Flags
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10000% true
Iran hit american plane in Afghanistan from above
I leave between many military men in Iran since 2006 so what I know are 100% accurate
BTW if I was in your shoes I would not believe in new technologies very easily because people won't believe to advanced things unless they haven't seen and experienced
Hadn't we seen plasma air defense weapons we wouldn't believe them too
This is nature of mankind that won't believe to new things very easily
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ToddE
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- IRIAF SU-35 were supposed to fly on 19th March, but they might not because flight tests are not completed. There is a journalistic hint at delay till April. The order might even get halted because of Putin-Trump dealings (repeat of MIG-31/29 episode in 90s). They might show just non flying fleet on 19th.
- IRIAF is not getting SU-35SE because ex-Egyptian SU-35SE's have been given to Algeria. The Iranian SU-35"IR" (lets call it that) might be the customized and most advanced flanker in the world among SU-35S, SU-30SM, J-16 considering the delay in production and delivery and how IRIAF rejected the SU-27SM3, SU-30SM, J-10A/B, SU-35SE in its favor. The delay in deal was because of Iranian demand of R-37 LRBVR, Khibiny ECM pods. It will be interesting to see what kind of radar they have come with, is it N035 IRBIS-E or Iran might have gotten lucky with N036 Beylka AESA of SU-57.
ToddE
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They wont sell anything major. Unlike US/NATO or what USSR was, the Chinese are merchants and right now they have a 1.5 Trillion USD trade with west. Iran is not important for them militarily or in any other way. The sooner Iranian leadership realizes that the better.
5 years at best. Region will fill with F-35, SU-57, J-35 within 5 years. Its a matter of time before PGCC starts ordering 5th gen.
IRIAF and Iranian leadership once again got fooled by their own short sightedness. In the 90s when they were purchasing J-7N, MIG-29, SU-24 they should have pushed for SU-27 which Iraqi AF was evaluating for TOT. IRIAF refused to understand what air-superiority or multirole combat aviation is. They could not see that F-14 will have spare parts issues in near future and F-5E/F and F-4E/D are already obsolete. They just replaced obsolete with obsolete. Similarly they are in a way replacing F-14A and F-4E with SU-35S. They should have bargained for SU-57 with Russia.
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ToddE
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Fascinating. Good work. So there are 3 different Search-Track Double Duplex datalinking systems operating in Iranian military right now:
- IADS (strongest and dynamic between Search and OTH assets, Track Batteries Active/Passive sensors including AESA/PESA radars, then HIMADS/SHORADS).
- The IRIAF MUM-T (Kowsar-UCAVS, they recently showed Kaman-12 operating with Dowran upgraded F-4E/D in a MUMT like role). Mind you, Iranian UCAV fleet is large but IRIAF only uses handful of designs such as Kaman-12/22, Mohajer-6 and Karrar in A2A role.
- IRGCAF (SU-22M3/M4 with IRGC UCAVs).
Yes, that is after the 'Wasps' (Qaem) have done their intended work on incoming packages. Now times that by 4 X4 +4 Qaher's rather than 1 + 4.
So what will it be? Manned fighters or AI driven ones.
See:
It appears that the only advantage a human pilot has in combat over an AI flown a/c is his unpredictability: - See..
Have Chinese scientists just dashed humanity’s last hopes to win in air combat?
The one advantage combat pilots had over artificial intelligence was unpredictability. Now a new study has put that in jeopardy.www.scmp.com
Pse let me know if I had skipped something.
Piet
I for now, do not believe JAS-313 is anything but a cover-up attempt by IRGC to fix the mistake by Ahmadinejad era IAIO corrupt idiots. Iranian military industrial complex has come a long way in past 10-15 years in terms of tech and expansion, they became international exporters etc. They probably do not want this black spot from past few rotten individuals, to sustain for too long.
Hypothetically if it flies, the weapon bays are too small to carry Azarakhsh and if it carries them outside then it will be seen by enemy fighters from 100+ KM away due to RCS. Just to use the HOBS sidewinder at max range it will need radar or IRST.
My post on subject from other thread:
IR seeking missile ranges are reduced if not cued by onboard tracking system like a passive IRST or active radar for example. A R-73 fired from MIG-29 has a range of 35 KM but with F-14 which lacks IRST and its radar cant transfer track info to missile, the same R-73 will barely cross 15 KM because the missile has to search and track the target using its own small seeker. This is the same reason that Karrar fired Sidewinder ranges 10-12 KM at max but with onboard tracking sensor the missile can take target cue and be on its way much earlier, thus enhancing the range to ~35 km. Another equally possible way is to provide datalink to the drone, that way it does not have to create its own target tracking information package but can borrow it from IADS and nearby fighters and transfer it to missile. This is one of the reasons they tested EO seeker and Datalink antennas on Karrar. Suddenly you have an interceptor running at 0.9 Mach, pulling 15 G's, releasing Sidewinder at max ranges.
Thus for JAS-313, the drone has to either have a radar, IRST/EO or it must have a two-way datalink for Azarakhsh HOBS to be effective at full range of missile otherwise range will be less than half. The drone will then have to get close to enemy fighter who will make of a mess of it.
Ironically Iran has every right tool at home for this. They have IRST with tracking range matching that of SU-35's IRST. They have airborne PESA radar that can track an enemy fighter at 94 KM. They also have a Allaspect HOBS sidewinder which ranges upto 40 KM. Encrypted datalinking is already being used so technically they can convert this JAS-313 into a capable naval interceptor which if nothing can pose some level threat to enemy naval fighters.
OldTwilight
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Another Mos-teaan scandal....@Mr Iran Eye
Let them think our plasma weapons are fake [photoshop]
Who cares bro
We are working on plasma drones and plasma weapons for 4 decades
سلاح پلاسمایی ایران چیست و با سلاحهای لیزری چه تفاوتی دارد؟
پس از اخبار های منتشر شده در باره سلاح پلاسمایی ایران سوالاتی برای مردم بوجود آمده ازجمله سلاح پلاسمایی چیست و با سلاح های لیزری چه تفاوتی دارد؟ در این مطلب بخوانید.مرموزترین جنگافزار جهان/ سلاح پلاسما چیست؟
سلاحهای پلاسمایی نوعی فناوری تسلیحاتی پیشرفتهاند که بهجای استفاده از مهمات سنتی مانند گلوله، از پلاسما استفاده میکنند.سلاح پلاسمایی چیست؟
به زودی شاهد رونمایی از اولین و بزرگترین سلاح پلاسمایی خواهیم بود که جمهوری اسلامی ایران به عنوان اولین دارنده این نوع سلاحها در سطح جهانی معرفی میکند.
Several hundreds of our scientists have worked on our military plasma technology besides our missile, nuclear and drone technologies to give our country deterrence
InsaAllah when they're officially unveiled people will realize that our unique plasma weapons and plasma/magnetic drones give our country much more deterrence than even old tech nukes, and they are the biggest game changer weapons in history of mankind probably in recent 76 years
nothing is true in Iran military till it massively be used
OldTwilight
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Well , Iranian S300 were completely useless against Israel , ans Iranian system hold the lines , so I doubt Su35 even detect Israel f16i ....
We can not rely on Russian system against Israel .
Ali_Baba
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Wouldn't the wise thing for Iran to do, is as part of the procurement, to get a license and TOT for the Su35 airframe/FCS and engines and then start to build the software/electronics in Iran - similar to what India is now doing with its Super Sukhoi programme and Pakistan with its PFX programme? ie resolve the bit that you have "little" confidence in by building it yourself ??????
What other choice does Iran have, other than Russia ?? It is not like countries are beating down on Irans doors to sell to Iran. Sometimes you have to take a step forward, even if it is not as large as you think it should be and try to be smart with that.
Having a full Iranian Radar, EW systems, mission computers and ECM systems on a licensed produced Su35 airframe and engines is the next best logical step for Iran.
Also, are you suggesting Iran continues to rely on F14s, Phantoms and F5s as its airforce if the Russian stuff is not good enough ? A passive defence solely based on SAM systems wont last long as they will get picked off by an opposing airforce quickly, you need both SAM and fighter aircraft to compliment each other. What are Irans other options/choices given the dire state of its ancient airforce ???
