Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[mulj]

But it is very interesting. Sunni Arabs are in 99.99% the case hostile towards Zionists and Israel. On the other hand Iran was the greatest ally of Israel/Zionists in the region until 1979. It probably has the most pro-Zionist population in the region as well. All those millions of anti-Arab/anti-Muslim Iranians are all cheering Israel on for everyone to see. The less said about Shia-majority Azerbaijan the better as well.

Sunnis (Arabs and Turks exclusively to make it more precise) having waged several wars against Jews/Zionists in the past 1400 years and conquering/ruling Jews during the vast majority of this time period. The ones that are doing most of the fighting (naturally) are Sunni Palestinians as well.

Now some unelected Sunni regimes (UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, Morocco) signing the Abraham/Ibrahim accords (a blunder and a waste of time as I have stated on numerous occasions) have nothing to do with Sunni Islam or Sunnis as a whole.

HIstory and reality on the ground confirms this.

So sect here is irrelevant. You cannot make such ridiculous statements (Sunnis doing nothing against Zionists/Israel) when throughout 99.99% of all recorded history, it has only been Sunnis doing just that.

But anyway, I insist, this has nothing to do with sects.

Zaydis (very similar to Sunni Muslims theologically, in fact other Shias considered them historically as a Sunni sect) in Yemen (the small minority in KSA too) and Sunnis of Yemen lived in peace for 1400 years prior to the Houthi cult being established in 1992 and later rebelling several times against the Yemeni state.

It is about the Houthi cult/tribe wanting to rule the Zaydi majority areas of Yemen (northwestern Yemen) and using their patron in Tehran to do it. This suits the patron well as the Houthis can help create trouble for KSA, as they have done in the past 20 + years (while ironically KSA has always supported the Zaydis the most of all regional states - KSA fought on the side of the Zaydi Imams/Kings against Nasser's Egypt). While having another puppet/slave to use against regional foes or use as a bargain chip when dealing with the US/West.

Recent attacks are just part of this game (US pressure on Iran to negotiate a new nuclear deal) and Yemen and Yemenis are the victims even though they have nothing to do with this.

All of this has nothing to do with religion but unwanted and harmful terrorist meddling in unstable regions of the Arab world where a certain minority sect is present.

We don't see it or have seen it in Libya or Sudan despite the instability in those countries and ongoing horrible civil war in Sudan due to the absence of minority Muslim sects.

Not sure how more clear this needs to be written.

Now lastly, Houthis attacking Israel (even though those attacks are worthless as everyone can see and have changed nothing on the ground or changed the plight of Palestinians), is a positive for what it is worth but 1) it is done for local/regional consumption to gain popularity among the ignorant masses who don't know the history of Houthis or what they have done of crimes in Yemen (works very well as we can all see), 2) it has changed nothing on the ground and will (as seen) just create more misery for an already struggling Yemen. If the Houthis were honest and wholeheartedly wanted to actually try to change status quo on the ground, they would have done much more. Supposedly they have all those super weapons, missiles and what not (enough to threaten 5000 times larger KSA) but apparently not against Israel. Now, people will say, but what have the Sunni-majority states done? Well, nothing as well (militarily) because 1) they are not self-described militias who claim to want to destroy Israel, 2) they are actual states and not terrorist militias that have nothing to lose, 3) they don't make bombastic/propaganda speeches on this front 24/7. It reminds me of the Iranian regime. 46 years of barking 24/7 against Israel and not even 1 single war let alone weakening of Israel. In fact through their actions, Israel/Zionists have only gotten stronger. It is all a joke when you really think about it.

long post with lot of historical information but with fundamental error, politics should be more simple and based on right and wrong choices in real time to forge the future. Houthis are right about current affairs and they should be supported for it, everything else feeds hypocrisy.

 

[_Arabia_]

long post with lot of historical information but with fundamental error, politics should be more simple and based on right and wrong choices in real time to forge the future. Houthis are right about current affairs and they should be supported for it, everything else feeds hypocrisy.

I disagree completely. There is no success involved. Unless it is a success to have killed 1 civilian Israeli in 29 months and in return lose 100's upon 100's of Yemenis and massive infrastructural destruction. This kind of "victory" truly belongs to losers. The greatest historical Muslim figures would be turning in their graves if they had witnessed such pathetic attitudes.

I also addressed this part in my previous post, here it is:

"Look, if what the Houthis have done (most of it is pure propaganda any sane person can see it) had any meaningful impact whatsoever, I would look the other way and conclude that even evil/people in the wrong can sometimes be right (a fact of life) but the reality is different. The end result is 100 + dead Yemenis (mostly civilians from what we can see like often the case during air raids everywhere) when not directly engaging in an open battlefield.

Zionists/Israel will not be defeated militarily (currently at least) but they can be defeated politically and be reigned in to the extent that their plans of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza will fail. For whatever it is worth the combined Arab stance on this front (government one) and red line has been successful so far and reigned the Zionists in on this front. But the odds are heavily in favour of the Zionists due to US/West/NATO support and that only.

Arab regimes pressuring/negotiating with Trump (most important person here) directly is 1000 billion times more effective on the ground than whatever useless firecrackers the Houthi cavemen fire at Israel. Let me repeat, so far in the 33 year long existence of the cult, they have killed 1 Israeli (civilian at that too - not even an Israeli soldier).

Yet stupid and ignorant masses are hailing this as some kind of victory. Like a bunch of losers not different from the failed Iranian regime whose rule has turned Iran into a failed state with an economy in free fall and it just being a question before another revolution occurs."​

 

[mulj]

I disagree completely. There is no success involved. Unless it is a success to have killed 1 civilian Israeli in 29 months and in return lose 100's upon 100's of Yemenis and massive infrastructural destruction. This kind of "victory" truly belongs to losers. The greatest historical Muslim figures would be turning in their graves if they had witnessed such pathetic attitudes.

I also addressed this part in my previous post, here it is:

"Look, if what the Houthis have done (most of it is pure propaganda any sane person can see it) had any meaningful impact whatsoever, I would look the other way and conclude that even evil/people in the wrong can sometimes be right (a fact of life) but the reality is different. The end result is 100 + dead Yemenis (mostly civilians from what we can see like often the case during air raids everywhere) when not directly engaging in an open battlefield.

Zionists/Israel will not be defeated militarily (currently at least) but they can be defeated politically and be reigned in to the extent that their plans of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza will fail. For whatever it is worth the combined Arab stance on this front (government one) and red line has been successful so far and reigned the Zionists in on this front. But the odds are heavily in favour of the Zionists due to US/West/NATO support and that only.

Arab regimes pressuring/negotiating with Trump (most important person here) directly is 1000 billion times more effective on the ground than whatever useless firecrackers the Houthi cavemen fire at Israel. Let me repeat, so far in the 33 year long existence of the cult, they have killed 1 Israeli (civilian at that too - not even an Israeli soldier).

Yet stupid and ignorant masses are hailing this as some kind of victory. Like a bunch of losers not different from the failed Iranian regime whose rule has turned Iran into a failed state with an economy in free fall and it just being a question before another revolution occurs."​

there is success actually clear and brave stance, meanwhile UAE organizes Iftars for jews and being mocked at same time by them for it this is drastic example but rest of the arab states are in similar subservient mood and actions being afraid of jews and usa.
we saw effectiveness of those negotiations and pressure, jews killed 300 hundred people in one hour and franky it is ambitious to call it negotiations when you have practially slave and master relationship, most what master (usa) can do is to ease discomfort of the slaves, no other direction possible under those conditions.

 

[_Arabia_]

To the Pakistani people here:

Houthis are not representative of the honorable Zaydi Yemeni people that have a 1350 year old history. It is a 33 year old, I repeat a 33 year old, terrorist militia that initially started as a tribe/clan uprising due to certain in many ways legitimate grievances against the Ali Abdullah Saleh regime. However 25 + years ago they started an active militancy against the Yemeni state, army and people. With the support of Iran. They eroded traditional Zaydi Islam, imported Wilayat al-Faqih beliefs, accepted becoming a fifth column, attacked KSA (mountain border towns - ironically inhabited by Saudi Arabian Zaydis and Ismailis) twice (before 2014) to finally starting the Yemeni civil war in 2014 with untold bloodshed and brutality. They are not some good guys, because they try to monopolize anti-Israel/Zionist rhetoric when anti-Zionist/anti-Israeli sentiment is shared ACROSS THE ENTIRE BOARD in Yemen and the entire Arab world.

KSA has nothing against the Zaydis either, in fact historically KSA supported the Zaydi people in Yemen.

North Yemen civil war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

KSA actively supported the Zaydis (traditional Zaydis and their traditional Imam/King).

The 33 year old Houthi cult are usurpers that are trying to hijack Zaydi history and beliefs and claim leadership which was only achieved through violence, infiltration and destruction of the Yemeni state in northwestern Yemen.

They are no different from BLA, TTP and other armed militias/terrorists groups that are trying to undermine the Pakistani state. If said terrorist groups fired some firecrackers at Israel (to no avail as already explained) and made anti-Israeli statements, would people be supporting them or would that amount to whitewashing their (BLA and TTP's) previous crimes against Pakistan and Pakistanis?

If Houthis were not what they are (a backward 33 year old militant terrorist group/cult that only cares about retaining power), they would stop their militancy and their soldiers would join the ofificial YEMENI ARMY and they would work towards a UNIFIED and strong Yemen, like prior in history.

Zaydis and Sunnis in Yemen have NO PROBLEMS with each other. There was no sectarianism prior to the current civil war that the Houthis started in 2014.

All this is the work of the Iranian regime to weaken another Arab state and to create trouble at the border of KSA and to use the Houthis in their geopolitical games (as bargain chips) with the US/Israel/West. Simple as that.

 

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[Developereo]

Look, if what the Houthis have done (most of it is pure propaganda any sane person can see it) had any meaningful impact whatsoever

Billions of dollars in economic costs to Israel and its allies. Given their distance from Israel and relatively primitive weapons compared to Israel and US, that's an achievement.

The end result is 100 + dead Yemenis (mostly civilians from what we can see like often the case during air raids everywhere) when not directly engaging in an open battlefield.

Those strikes that killed Yemeni civilians were launched from UAE and Qatar airbases.

Sorry, but it is clear in this war who has taken a stand on which side. Countries like Turkey and GCC countries may not have the military power to help Palestinians, but they should not be allowing transit for trade to Israel. They haven't even done that much for their Sunni Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine.

 

[Developereo]

To the Pakistani people here:

Houthis are not representative of the honorable Zaydi Yemeni people

You completely missed the point.

It doesn't matter if the Houthis are left handed Buddhists who shave their arms. The reason they are heroes is because they are one of the only groups actively harming Israel.

The rich Muslim countries are slaves who are actively helping Israel (through trade corridors) while it massacres Palestinians.. It doesn't matter how you dress it up and try to sell it, no one is buying it now, and no one will buy it historically. When history looks back, it will be clear who stood up proudly and who bowed down.

 

[_Arabia_]

Billions of dollars in economic costs to Israel and its allies. Given their distance from Israel and relatively primitive weapons compared to Israel and US, that's an achievement.



Those strikes that killed Yemeni civilians were launched from UAE and Qatar airbases.

Sorry, but it is clear in this war who has taken a stand on which side. Countries like Turkey and GCC countries may not have the military power to help Palestinians, but they should not be allowing transit for trade to Israel. They haven't even done that much for their Sunni Arab brothers and sisters in Palestine.

You are a good and fairly smart poster (from what I have seen at least), kindly address the central points of my post.

In particular I am curious to hear your opinion about my post 1986 in this thread.

Not really. Houthi actions have caused the most economic damage to CHINA, EGYPT and KSA. Not Israel or the West.

And the economic costs to Israel, you and I, and everyone else here, very well know, that USA will cover that for Israel. It is a drop in the ocean for the US/West/NATO. They support Israel with 10's of billions of USD on a annual basis (officially) and unofficially even more, let alone US investments in Israel and Israeli firms.

Not really an achievement when you control the Bab el-Mandeb. Or half of it at least.

I cannot speak for Turkey (which has had official ties with Israel for 70 + years) but in the case of KSA there is no trade with Israel and have never been so far in history.

 

[_Arabia_]

You completely missed the point.

It doesn't matter if the Houthis are left handed Buddhists who shave their arms. The reason they are heroes is because they are one of the only groups actively harming Israel.

The rich Muslim countries are slaves who are actively helping Israel (through trade corridors) while it massacres Palestinians.. It doesn't matter how you dress it up and try to sell it, no one is buying it now, and no one will buy it historically. When history looks back, it will be clear who stood up proudly and who bowed down.

You are comparing a 33 year old backward terrorist militia cult that does not even rule all of Yemen (only the Northwest) and who have nothing to lose (the people they occupy already life under misery thanks to their backward rule) with actual nation states that if they attacked Israel directly would be carpet bombed by US/NATO/West?

No, the comparisons with BLA and TTP are very accurate aside from the current Houthi propaganda of token and frankly pathetic attacks that for 29 months have killed 1, I repeat 1, Israeli civilian. In return Yemen is being carpet bombed with 100's of civilian casualties with enormous infrastructural damage in return.

How that is a "success" I do not know. Not only that it has not deterred Israel at all. In fact it has only made them more bloodthirsty.

 

[Developereo]

You are comparing a 33 year old backward terrorist militia cult that does not even rule all of Yemen (only the Northwest) and who have nothing to lose (the people they occupy already life under misery thanks to their backward rule)

The suffering of the Yemeni people is because of the GCC Arab countries like KSA and UAE. I don't want to side track on the history of Yemen but the fact of how KSA stole Yemen's oil producing fields through corrupt Yemeni rulers is historically documented. Sorry, but facts are facts.

Yemen is being carpet bombed with 100's of civilian casualties with enormous infrastructural damage in return.

Once again, those American planes take off from airbases in UAE and Qatar. We know exactly who is complicit in the murder of Yemeni civilians.

 

[_Arabia_]

there is success actually clear and brave stance, meanwhile UAE organizes Iftars for jews and being mocked at same time by them for it this is drastic example but rest of the arab states are in similar subservient mood and actions being afraid of jews and usa.
we saw effectiveness of those negotiations and pressure, jews killed 300 hundred people in one hour and franky it is ambitious to call it negotiations when you have practially slave and master relationship, most what master (usa) can do is to ease discomfort of the slaves, no other direction possible under those conditions.

Forget about that UAE, what do they have to do with Houthis exactly? UAE form what, 1.5 million local Emirati Arabs out of 550 million Arabs worldwide? We (everyone informed) already knows that the current Emirati rulers have lost their marbles in regard to many issues in the region from the civil war in Sudan, to the Abraham/Ibrahim Accords, their support for the Al-Assad regime and what not. They have totally lost it and I have written it on numerous occasions, I even believe that we have discussed it earlier as well.

What do you want Arabs to do when the entire world, except for China, Russia (even only partially) and very few others (if not only those 2) are slaves to the US/West/the current Western order? In fact if we include the current Western order, China and Russia are slaves too. Financially, culturally etc. Russia can for instance not wait to get back in the fold of the West.

Look it is very simple. I am not going to whitewash 33 years of murder, crime, occupation, rebellions against the Yemeni state, hijacking of the honorable Zaydi Yemenis culture and religion, their fifth column alliance with the hostile and anti-Arab Wilayat al-Faqih regime in Tehran, their current occupation of northwestern Yemen, their lack of will to unify with other Yemenis in order to create a strong Yemen etc. just because of some useless firecrackers aimed at Israel that to date have killed only 1 Israeli civilian. It is pathetic.

Let me ask you this, would you be supporting the same Serbs who committed Srebrenica and invaded/destroyed Bosnia, if they had done similar to Israel (fired a few useless firecrackers at Israel, made 100's of useless speeches and killed 1 Israeli in 29 months)?

As I already wrote earlier, I would be inclined to look the other way if the Houthis actually amounted to anything in regards to Israel. Sadly this is not the case and they have not deterred or stopped the Israelis at all. In return Yemen (the occupied part by the Houthis) is being carpet bombed. This is just the start, they will and can continue this for months at a time until the Houthis are barely standing.

 

[Developereo]

In particular I am curious to hear your opinion about my post 1986 in this thread.

That post talks about religious and tribal issues which, as I stated, are irrelevant. I will not love or hate the Houthis because of their religion or tribe. All I care is that they are inflicting economic costs to Israel and its allies.

Houthi actions have caused the most economic damage to CHINA, EGYPT and KSA. Not Israel or the West.

They have exempted Chinese flagged ships from the very beginning and explicitly targeted ships with European or Israeli flags.

And the economic costs to Israel, you and I, and everyone else here, very well know, that USA will cover that for Israel. It is a drop in the ocean for the US/West/NATO. They support Israel with 10's of billions of USD on a annual basis (officially) and unofficially even more, let alone US investments in Israel and Israeli firms.

US will repair damage to Israel no matter what. That is not a reason not to cause damage. By that logic, everybody should just sit quietly and never fight back.

 

[_Arabia_]

The suffering of the Yemeni people is because of the GCC Arab countries like KSA and UAE. I don't want to side track on the history of Yemen but the fact of how KSA stole Yemen's oil producing fields through corrupt Yemeni rulers is historically documented. Sorry, but facts are facts.



Once again, those American planes take off from airbases in UAE and Qatar. We know exactly who is complicit in the murder of Yemeni civilians.

Nonsense. Without KSA Yemen would have turned into a Somalia 50 + years ago. It has been KSA that has been keeping Yemen afloat in all of its modern history since the North Yemeni Civil war of the 1960's and 1970's. Billions of dollars in annual support, all major infrastructural projects either funded or built by Saudi Arabian firms, KSA hosting the largest Yemeni expat community in the region/world for decades, active support of the Yemeni army (including even purchases) etc. What you are writing is absolutely nonsense.

For starters there is barely any oil in Yemen or Southern KSA.

 

[Developereo]

Nonsense. Without KSA Yemen would have turned into a Somalia 50 + years ago. It has been KSA that has been keeping Yemen afloat in all of its modern history since the North Yemeni Civil war of the 1960's and 1970's. Billions of dollars in annual support, all major infrastructural projects either funded or built by Saudi Arabian firms, KSA hosting the largest Yemeni expat community in the region/world for decades, active support of the Yemeni army (including even purchases) etc. What you are writing is absolutely nonsense.

For starters there is barely any oil in Yemen or Southern KSA.

I don't want to derail this thread. People can Google for themselves to learn about 'yemen oil fields saudi arabia' and look up the history.