Turks were not relevant in the Arab world until 1517? Then you dont count the Abbasids as Arabs? One of Harun Al Rashid’s wife was from Turkish origin. She gave birth to another caliph, Al-Mu’tasem. He and his halfbrother Al-Ma’mun were famous because they used Turkish guards and slaves to counter internal enemies and rivals and rebels and the Byzantians. So go read some history first.
You talked about sacrifices against the West and that Arabs did the most.
We doubt that and came with facts and numbers. You are coming with theories and jews and this and that.
Look at the Crusades and wich groups and beyliks fought them. Count the number of battles against Europe from the Battle of Malazgirt in 1071 till the First World War in 1914.
Count the battles of the Ottomans alone against the European kingdoms alone, and you will see they alone fought more than all Arabs combined.
Mamluks were a Turkish dynasty ruling over Egypt, they were Turkish Kipchak slaves and Circassians ans East-European slaves, but the majority were Turkish slaves, because Turkish guards and slaves were famous in the Arab world thanks to Caliph Al-Ma’mun and Al-Mu’tasim who used and hired him. The greatest Mamluk sultans were Turks (Baybars and Qutuz).
After the Ummayads, there was no central Arab power that controlled the muslim heartlands, but that was not the point here. Statisticly the Turks fought more against the West.
But that doesnt count now. Where are the Turks and Arabs and Persians now?
The Abbasids was an Arab and Hejazi dynasty. What have they to do with Turks or any other foreigners? It was very common for rulers to intermarry with foreigners to secure alliances. Look at the mothers of most Ottoman Sultans. Most of them were non-Turks. Often Slavic or Circassian women. Does that make the Ottoman dynasty non-Turkic?
There is nothing to doubt. Arabs have done the most fighting against the West and Jews. History confirms this as does the events since 1948. If you notice I included Turks earlier as the only other relevant Muslims in this regard. But this is also due to geography, can't expect Indonesian Muslims to fight against the West from 10.000 km away.
The Crusades were fought on Arab Muslim land with mostly Arab Muslim foot soldiers. Along with Turkic allies who were brought to the region by Arabs. And were completely Arabized. To deny this is to deny reality.
Not really. The Arabs conquered much more European territory than the Ottomans who only controlled tiny Greece, Balkans and Cyprus. The Arabs ruled Al-Andalus (Spain and Portugal) which is bigger alone, for 800 years. Including Sicily, Southern Italy, Malta, parts of France, Crete, Cyprus, parts of Greece and prior to the Ottomans, 700 + years o wars against the Byzantine Empire (which weakened it along with the Seljuks).
Not to mention half of Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) which prior to the Arab Muslims was controlled by Christians and Greeks (Byzantines). Which is also why the Arab Turkish community (native) predates the Turkic migrations to Anatolia.
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In fact Arabs have an almost 2500 year old presence in what is today Turkey.
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But the Mamluks were completely Arabized and bought to the region by Arabs as slaves. For over half of the Mamluk rule it was Circassian rule. But Mamluks came almost 700 years after the first Arab Muslim rule of Egypt and prior after the Fatimids (the strongest rulers based in Egypt).
Not true, Abbasid rule ended in Cairo in 1517. Until 1258 (500 + years) the Abbasids were overall the strongest Muslim power and the Caliphate.
Turkic presence (large one), as I wrote, occurred after 1517 but even after 1517 half of the Arab world was not/never under Ottoman rule and most of the parts that were, were ruled by local Arab rulers allied with the Sultan. In particular in the Maghreb and Arabia. For instance the Sharifs of Makkah and Madinah had been in power 400 years prior to the Ottoman appearance in 1517 and they continued to rule Makkah and Madinah until 1920. Ottoman presence in Arabia was limited to a few military garrisons. The main focus of the Ottomans was in the Balkans and Anatolia.
And who but Arabs have been fighting against Israel since 1948 as well?
