TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

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Some interesting news, would be big if true.
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What news ? Need English translation please.

Never mind. Translated through chatgpt. Here is the translation.

"Turkey and Pakistan are preparing to sign the final Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) regarding the production facility to be established in Pakistan for KAAN stealth fighter jets.".
 
Will have to check the post history of this guy to assess the validity of this news
But if it was true Siddhu would have been jumping in media
 
True or not it today it will be necessity of tomorrow, Turkiye itself will not be able to churn out enough planes demanded and needed for strategic impacts in short period of time.
 
mulj said:
True or not it today it will be necessity of tomorrow, Turkiye itself will not be able to churn out enough planes demanded and needed for strategic impacts in short period of time.
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Moreover, having a production line with an alternative supply chain for the critical components means less susceptibility to sanctions from the West. Who is the major alternative for the Western supply chain of critical components like ICs, classified materials, test and production equipment, precision engineering etc? Of course it's China. And, who's China's all-weather friend and a secret ally? Of course it's Pakistan. So, dots can be connected....
 
Hakikat ve Hikmet said:
Moreover, having a production line with an alternative supply chain for the critical components means less susceptibility to sanctions from the West. Who is the major alternative for the Western supply chain of critical components like ICs, classified materials, test and production equipment, precision engineering etc? Of course it's China. And, who's China's all-weather friend and a secret ally? Of course it's Pakistan. So, dots can be connected....
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China does not give anything without taking something. The same China thinks that it does not need Türkiye in any respect. Therefore, China will not give anything to Türkiye. (Even if there was no Uyghur issue!) Therefore, even if you Pakistanis could obtain what you say from China for yourselves, you cannot give it to Türkiye because China will not approve.

However, the fact that Kaan is also produced in Pakistan would be a very vital gain for Türkiye. Both R&D capacity, production capacity and maintenance capacity will increase for Kaan. I am sure that Türkiye will definitely support this initiative.
 
Merzifonlu said:
China does not give anything without taking something. The same China thinks that it does not need Türkiye in any respect. Therefore, China will not give anything to Türkiye. (Even if there was no Uyghur issue!) Therefore, even if you Pakistanis could provide what you say for yourselves, you cannot give it to Türkiye because China will not approve.

However, the fact that Kaan is also produced in Pakistan would be a very vital gain for Türkiye. Both R&D capacity, production capacity and maintenance capacity would increase. I am sure that Türkiye will definitely support this initiative.
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China empowers Pakistan, not Turkey. It's the crux of the matter....
 
Merzifonlu said:
China does not give anything without taking something. The same China thinks that it does not need Türkiye in any respect. Therefore, China will not give anything to Türkiye. (Even if there was no Uyghur issue!) Therefore, even if you Pakistanis could provide what you say for yourselves, you cannot give it to Türkiye because China will not approve.

However, the fact that Kaan is also produced in Pakistan would be a very vital gain for Türkiye. Both R&D capacity, production capacity and maintenance capacity would increase. I am sure that Türkiye will definitely support this initiative.
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China empowers Pakistan, it's not about Turkey. It's the crux of the matter.. ..
 
Merzifonlu said:
China does not give anything without taking something. The same China thinks that it does not need Türkiye in any respect. Therefore, China will not give anything to Türkiye. (Even if there was no Uyghur issue!) Therefore, even if you Pakistanis could obtain what you say from China for yourselves, you cannot give it to Türkiye because China will not approve.

However, the fact that Kaan is also produced in Pakistan would be a very vital gain for Türkiye. Both R&D capacity, production capacity and maintenance capacity will increase for Kaan. I am sure that Türkiye will definitely support this initiative.
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Its good if Pakistan joins the KAAN program, but the biggest aspect that I feel Pakistan should participate in, is the production of munitions. I heard there was a project where Pakistan would merge their own air to air missile project with the Turkish project and produce Turkish air to air missiles. This will be significant as having multiple production lines of compatible munitions is a huge bonus, as we are seeing with the depletion of PAC 3 interceptors and AIM-120s used in NASAMS caused by a high intensity conflict like the Ukraine war. The US has an agreement with Japan where Japan produces the PAC 3 missiles and has been transferring its missiles made in Japan to the US to supplement US supplies.

Munitions seem to be the main bottleneck in these sorts of high intensity conflicts, the ability to use joint compatible munitions and codevelopment would allow for the borrowing of missiles produced in either country to the other in the event that there is a conflict and other sources are either under pressure b/c of embargoes or production is hampered via damage or stress.
 
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Too many cooks spoil the broth. Turkey needs to decide who they're partnering with and how much development they're responsible for. Other countries should become customers and provide their requirements. This way their requests can be taken in to account during development.
 
Snake said:
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Turkey needs to decide who they're partnering with and how much development they're responsible for. Other countries should become customers and provide their requirements. This way their requests can be taken in to account during development.
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Well the others came to look, it looks like Indonesia is the first to commit possibly as this is from their president.
 
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This would be HUGE for Pakistan and Turkey, if true.

Turkey gets insanely cheap labor and another market to automatically decrease costs, and an instant customer for its KAAN fighter jet.

Pakistan gets badly needed experience is building next gen fighters, their ins and outs, and expanding its aerospace industry from its current level. It would also help Pakistan develop the PFX, like the lessons taught by the Turkish MILGEM is helping Pakistan build Jinnah class frigates.

But this only happens if any of this is even true.
 
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hyperman said:
Well the others came to look, it looks like Indonesia is the first to commit possibly as this is from their president.
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Whether it's Indonesia or anyone else the number of partners vs. potential customers should be finalized. Rumors about Pakistan, SA, Indonesia, other Guflies float around but nothing is formalized. Do you have a source for the Indonesia claim outside this tweet?
 
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