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[MS Sandhu]

You don´t understand the nature of this weapon. Even if all of them are shoot down it is a win for the user (Russia or Iran).

Whatever you launch against them, ...from a single stinger to a Patriot the price of the interceptor always surpass the cost of the drone. You don´t need to kill nobody for winning a war.

Even US called Iran to a deal in Oman not vice-versa. US understand that with some months more, US Navy and USAF will deplete the number of interceptors just in Yemen.

The problem is you guys are not understanding the real thing at play here.
You compare Shaheed cost to defence tool
I will compare the defence tool's price to thingy I'm protecting from attack.
For example ,
Iran fired 200+ shaheed drones towards Nevatim Airbase
NA is worth of Billions of dollars
Israel protected it by some let's take $200M
And then Assets from the same AirBase attacked Iran,destroyed its Radars of SAM batteries and other stuff and gone back safely
Now that radar stuff is not only expensive but also their absence disrupts the whole Defence chain for the critical combat time creating window for Israel to do follow up strikes leading to catastrophic results for victim.

Now calculate the economics of this full picture and you will get it.
If you had put some money into tech that can reliably disrupt the chain of Aggressor's Military Machinary; that would have much more value in military context.


I Find this Shaheed a topi drama thing
Good against a weak nation like Ukraine to disrupt the civil infrastructure but of little use in actual military to military engagement scenerio

 

[Flotilla]

The problem is you guys are not understanding the real thing at play here.
You compare Shaheed cost to defence tool
I will compare the defence tool's price to thingy I'm protecting from attack.
For example ,
Iran fired 200+ shaheed drones towards Nevatim Airbase
NA is worth of Billions of dollars
Israel protected it by some let's take $200M
And then Assets from the same AirBase attacked Iran,destroyed its Radars of SAM batteries and other stuff and gone back safely
Now that radar stuff is not only expensive but also their absence disrupts the whole Defence chain for the critical combat time creating window for Israel to do follow up strikes leading to catastrophic results for victim.

Now calculate the economics of this full picture and you will get it.
If you had put some money into tech that can reliably disrupt the chain of Aggressor's Military Machinary; that would have much more value in military context.


I Find this Shaheed a topi drama thing
Good against a weak nation like Ukraine to disrupt the civil infrastructure but of little use in actual military to military engagement scenerio

You are wrong. Even if Irán loose some radars and even some SAM launchers that attack is so much antieconomical for Israel. Each David Sling interceptor, each Iron dome launched, Patriots and THAADs makes a protracted war unaffordable. We are talking about hundreds of interceptors spend in weeks.

Let me tell you in the other way. Irán can afford to build more TELAR and radars, but Israel needed even a second THAAD battery that was diverted from South Korea.

The utility of such weapon is so much that Russia is building a second factory for them, and for sure they're doing it for further scenarios after Ukraine.

It is not a tool for Ukraine.

 

[tsunset]

The problem is you guys are not understanding the real thing at play here.
You compare Shaheed cost to defence tool
I will compare the defence tool's price to thingy I'm protecting from attack.
For example ,
Iran fired 200+ shaheed drones towards Nevatim Airbase
NA is worth of Billions of dollars
Israel protected it by some let's take $200M
And then Assets from the same AirBase attacked Iran,destroyed its Radars of SAM batteries and other stuff and gone back safely
Now that radar stuff is not only expensive but also their absence disrupts the whole Defence chain for the critical combat time creating window for Israel to do follow up strikes leading to catastrophic results for victim.

Now calculate the economics of this full picture and you will get it.
If you had put some money into tech that can reliably disrupt the chain of Aggressor's Military Machinary; that would have much more value in military context.


I Find this Shaheed a topi drama thing
Good against a weak nation like Ukraine to disrupt the civil infrastructure but of little use in actual military to military engagement scenerio

They were used with success against KSA, which is not a "weak nation" and posesses latest US air defenses

From a shorter range they are very successful, also Ukraine is not a "weak nation", it is fully backed by the west both with personel and weapons, including air defenses

So i don't see the point of this debate other than insinuating that Iranian drones are "useless and effective only against weak states just for terror", when will people like that finally accept that Shahed are very successful?

If Shahed was made by Turkey i am sure everyone would say it is a very good drone

Most of these debates are "Shahed is bad" only because they are made in Iran

 

[ShapurII]

If Shahed was made by Turkey i am sure everyone would say it is a very good drone

Not everyone. Mainly the Pakistanis that are obsessed with Turkey.

 

[BigMela2onin]

It is only your delusion that makes you think they are the losing side.
The US is still relatively superior to China. And now let's compare their allies:
The US has the UK, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, India, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Australia, blah blah blah. China has Russia, Iran and North Korea.
Care to explain why the US is the losing side again?

Despite EU officials stating that the trans-Atlantic alliance is a thing of the past, the UK is in no shape to wage a war after Brexit, France is constantly having anti-austerity riots, Germany is shutting down factories due to rising energy costs. The US makes up the bulk of NATO power on it's own.

The very internet you are using now is an American product. I mean literally. The US no longer produces anything? lol Is that why Iran hasn't been able to legally procure even a single civilian aircraft after 30 years?

The internet was developed decades ago and Boeing has been offing whistle-blowers who were planning to testify against the safety standards of the company. America is de-industrialized, no amount of tariffs are going to change that. America is a service economy, it offers services not hard products. The idea that you're going to cut off ALL trade with China and replace it with US and EU trade is not feasible in the slightest.

There is hardly anything that China produces for half price that could even remotely compete with the Western products.

If they weren't afraid of the competition they wouldn't legislate bans on Chinese high-tech products.

 

[ToddE]

Technically speaking, how many shaheds were able to hit inside Israel?

Highly illogical post. Few thousand USD each Shahed-136 can deplete the stocks of million+ USD each A2A and AD missiles which is exactly what happened over Jordan where 2-3 million USD each interceptors were fired at incoming Shaheds. For a credit/debt based defence budget and foreign procured stocks, thats poison because now you need to ask for more $ from creditors to pay a foriegn supplier for replenishment (See Ukraine begging 24/7). Shaheds waste enemy's stocks if intercepted and if not then your AD battery is gone out of service. There is a reason Russia is firing them in bulk for years now while NATO has no answer to them, shoot it you loose money, dont shoot it you loose something on the ground.

War is not a one time conflict that you shoot a drone with 2 million USD interceptor and there are songs and ceremonies after that. War means unending battle after battle where the side with least credit and procurement dependence wins. First Iranian strike at Israel during TP1 used cheaper MRBMSs that depleted Israeli AD stocks (1.5 Billion USD) to the level that during TP2 Israeli AD just had to just take the missile hits (60+ visible hits by Fattah and KS at bases) with minimal interception rate. Had there been third strike there would have been no interception at all. Cheaper missiles or Shaheds enable this. Its a wonder weapon, perfect for elongated war.

 

[ToddE]

Not everyone. Mainly the Pakistanis that are obsessed with Turkey.

2 decades back, few of them (not all) used to literally worship Saudis, now they do same for us Turks (Turkish, Azeris etc). Strange behavior.

 

[ToddE]

Iran fired 200+ shaheed drones towards Nevatim Airbase

ZERO evidence exists that Iran fired them at Nevatim.

NA is worth of Billions of dollars
Israel protected it by some let's take $200M

Wrong. TP1 costed 1.5 Billion USD to Israel, admitted by their own General. And Shaheds were intercepted by US, France, UK, Jordan not Israel.

And then Assets from the same AirBase attacked Iran,destroyed its Radars of SAM batteries and other stuff and gone back safely

By that logic Nevatim base alone took 30+ confirmed RV hits from IRGC's strike in TP2 (hangers, runways etc) so what did Shahed interception during TP1 gained for Israel? Its a war, battle after battle after battle until one side backs down from its goals which is not possible in case of Iran and Israel.

Now that radar stuff is not only expensive

Provide Evidence? Here is my counter claim, OTH that was damaged has been repaired with minimal cost since its not an electronic array system and Iran does not import them from some other country.

but also their absence disrupts the whole Defence chain for the critical combat time creating window for Israel to do follow up strikes leading to catastrophic results for victim.

IADS does not work this way. There is a series of datalinked search assets that act as backups for eachother, if one asset goes out of commission, the other one takes over since beams are widespread and overlapping in case of Iran. This is why its called "Integrated".

Now calculate the economics of this full picture and you will get it.
If you had put some money into tech that can reliably disrupt the chain of Aggressor's Military Machinary; that would have much more value in military context.

Illogical comment. Israel can summon F-35, F-15, Thaad etc along with 100+ Billion USD war aid in days so all these fancy terms like "disruption" this and that may apply to a third world bankrupt states military but not Israel. Fight with Israel you are simultaneously fighting with EU, US, NATO and Arab league. IRGC failed their entire AD and they summoned THAAD batteries in days along with few new fighter jets for free. Rules do not apply to Israel.

I Find this Shaheed a topi drama thing
Good against a weak nation like Ukraine to disrupt the civil infrastructure but of little use in actual military to military engagement scenerio

Ukraine with entire Western war chest throwing hundreds of billions of USD at it regularly with latest tech from first world military industrial complex is not weak by any chance.

 

[Flotilla]

They were used with success against KSA, which is not a "weak nation" and posesses latest US air defenses

From a shorter range they are very successful, also Ukraine is not a "weak nation", it is fully backed by the west both with personel and weapons, including air defenses

So i don't see the point of this debate other than insinuating that Iranian drones are "useless and effective only against weak states just for terror", when will people like that finally accept that Shahed are very successful?

If Shahed was made by Turkey i am sure everyone would say it is a very good drone

Most of these debates are "Shahed is bad" only because they are made in Iran

In reality a Shahed 131/136 It is a very long range artillery shell.
If the drone reach the target It is a bingo! If It is shoot down the cost of the AA systems scores a hit in the enemy budget. So, yes, It is a loose-loose for the enemy.
That is the reason why Israel is obsessed with laser guns for such task.

 

[Ak01]

The problem is you guys are not understanding the real thing at play here.
You compare Shaheed cost to defence tool
I will compare the defence tool's price to thingy I'm protecting from attack.
For example ,
Iran fired 200+ shaheed drones towards Nevatim Airbase
NA is worth of Billions of dollars
Israel protected it by some let's take $200M
And then Assets from the same AirBase attacked Iran,destroyed its Radars of SAM batteries and other stuff and gone back safely
Now that radar stuff is not only expensive but also their absence disrupts the whole Defence chain for the critical combat time creating window for Israel to do follow up strikes leading to catastrophic results for victim.

Now calculate the economics of this full picture and you will get it.
If you had put some money into tech that can reliably disrupt the chain of Aggressor's Military Machinary; that would have much more value in military context.


I Find this Shaheed a topi drama thing
Good against a weak nation like Ukraine to disrupt the civil infrastructure but of little use in actual military to military engagement scenerio

You're wasting your breath trying to talk sense to the deluded.

ID interceptors cost relatively little, on the high end of the shahed estimates, they cost as much a Tamir interceptor.

They're also bankrolled by US taxpayer.

All of this is literally just cope by Iranians to try and make their waste of money, pathetic operation seem like it did anything.

Hundreds of BM's launched, the only casualty being a palestinian man. It was purely a face saving exercise. Literally hilarious that they strut around as if it was a success, yet the only effect was a minor inconvenience to some school kids who get a day off because their school was hit while empty lol.

That is all the shaheds and also by extension, iranian tactics are good for, bullying smaller countries, clearly, iran failed to attack israel, or even defend its own airspace from them. Cannot wait to see israeli fireworks nextdoor in the coming months. Insha'allah!

 

[Ak01]

In reality a Shahed 131/136 It is a very long range artillery shell.
If the drone reach the target It is a bingo! If It is shoot down the cost of the AA systems scores a hit in the enemy budget. So, yes, It is a loose-loose for the enemy.
That is the reason why Israel is obsessed with laser guns for such task.

a tamir interceptor literally costs less than 50k each. Iran charged Russia 200,000 each. Even if Iran pays 50k, you're literally at a net loss because not all of them even need to be intercepted. The cope is laughable...

 

[Flotilla]

this is a cute attempt at trying to boost your ego- i can assure you most of us would be happy to see iran be turned into an israeli weapons test range. Infact, i believe Pakistan should be part of a coalition to absolutely ensure iran never gets a nuke. Would be a beautiful sight to see.

What a coalition... That enters in the field of zoophilia.

 

[Ak01]

What a coalition... That enters in the field of zoophilia.

anything that prevents iran getting the bomb!

 

[Flotilla]

a tamir interceptor literally costs less than 50k each. Iran charged Russia 200,000 each. Even if Iran pays 50k, you're literally at a net loss because not all of them even need to be intercepted. The cope is laughable...View attachment 112496

Two things.
Shahed family It is probably well under this price. Shahed It is a 2time gasoline aviation engine (It doesn't have even electronic starter) with a wing body and SIM card with a gyroscope. It can't be never more expensive than a missile guided with a laser proximity fuze. Just the cost of fabricating radio command guidance unit would cost more than engine and warhead of the Shahed. But that is the starting point, because we saw different versions of Shahed including one with antenas that suggest home on jam capability. Those could me more expensive than ordinary Tamir.

On the other hand... Remember, tamir missile It is designed just for intercepting shells and rockets in a parabolic trajectory, not for low flying drones.

 

[Ak01]

Two things.
Shahed family It is probably well under this price. Shahed It is a 2time gasoline aviation engine (It doesn't have even electronic starter) with a wing body and SIM card with a gyroscope. It can't be never more expensive than a missile guided with a laser proximity fuze. Just the cost of fabricating radio command guidance unit would cost more than engine and warhead of the Shahed. But that is the starting point, because we saw different versions of Shahed including one with antenas that suggest home on jam capability. Those could me more expensive than ordinary Tamir.

On the other hand... Remember, tamir missile It is designed just for intercepting shells and rockets in a parabolic trajectory, not for low flying drones.

There is leaked emails and documents. Ive literally shared one.

The ruskies paid 200k per unit. Whatever variant it is, even if we assume a 1/5th cost, or even 20k, its still not a great ROI.

Tamir can intercept cruise missiles and drones. Rafael has demonstrated this, through some changes of its flight control laws, they can expand the target set.