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[ToddE]

this is a cute attempt at trying to boost your ego- i can assure you most of us would be happy to see iran be turned into an israeli weapons test range. Infact, i believe Pakistan should be part of a coalition to absolutely ensure iran never gets a nuke. Would be a beautiful sight to see.

Does not change the fact that few of your countrymen used to absolutely worship Saudis on internet (old website) and now they do same towards Turks of all sizes. Simple observation, not sure what triggered you.

 

[Ak01]

Does not change the fact that few of your countrymen used to absolutely worship Saudis on internet (old website) and now they do same towards Turks of all sizes. Simple observation, not sure what triggered you.

just a pathetic attempt at a jibe. You have half of your countrymen begging the west and jews to come and liberate you the amount of times i drive past your London embassy and see a crowd begging for US to come and take over

 

[ToddE]

just a pathetic attempt at a jibe. You have half of your countrymen begging the west and jews to come and liberate you the amount of times i drive past your London embassy and see a crowd begging for US to come and take over

That again has nothing to do with the observation that few of your country people on old website absolutely worshipped Saudis and same bunch now does exact same towards Turkics. Not sure what the connection is with anything you said.

 

[xbat]

Highly illogical post. Few thousand USD each Shahed-136 can deplete the stocks of million+ USD each A2A and AD missiles which is exactly what happened over Jordan where 2-3 million USD each interceptors were fired at incoming Shaheds. For a credit/debt based defence budget and foreign procured stocks, thats poison because now you need to ask for more $ from creditors to pay a foriegn supplier for replenishment (See Ukraine begging 24/7). Shaheds waste enemy's stocks if intercepted and if not then your AD battery is gone out of service. There is a reason Russia is firing them in bulk for years now while NATO has no answer to them, shoot it you loose money, dont shoot it you loose something on the ground.

War is not a one time conflict that you shoot a drone with 2 million USD interceptor and there are songs and ceremonies after that. War means unending battle after battle where the side with least credit and procurement dependence wins. First Iranian strike at Israel during TP1 used cheaper MRBMSs that depleted Israeli AD stocks (1.5 Billion USD) to the level that during TP2 Israeli AD just had to just take the missile hits (60+ visible hits by Fattah and KS at bases) with minimal interception rate. Had there been third strike there would have been no interception at all. Cheaper missiles or Shaheds enable this. Its a wonder weapon, perfect for elongated war.

Yes countring a suicide drone is expensive now but There are solutions coming for slow loitering munitions, when they deployed on the ground, countries will not invest loitering munitions like shaaheds too much. For example Turkey prepares Akinci turboprop drone as a flying air defense battery, it will fire cheap Manpads to expensive RF guided AA missiles thanks to it is AESA radar.

i think next step would be Kizilelma , it will be prepared same role with 35mm airburst munition to hunt slow drones with a couple bullet and the game over , Kizilelma has jet engine and can fly up to 6 hours it has AESA too.

 

[ShapurII]

Despite EU officials stating that the trans-Atlantic alliance is a thing of the past, the UK is in no shape to wage a war after Brexit, France is constantly having anti-austerity riots, Germany is shutting down factories due to rising energy costs. The US makes up the bulk of NATO power on it's own.

Your analysis reminds of the "cold winter in Europe" (زمستان سخت اروپا).
You have to understand that countries adapt to face new challenges.
I give you Germany, but Germany has officially said that they're going to rebuild their army and last time they did that, they almost occupied all of Europe.
Iran has energy crisis too. We are in April now and we have electricity cuts in Tehran.
So much can be said here. Other than the obvious fact that Russia, China and Iran do not act like an alliance, unlike Europe and the US, you can talk about the Eastern bloc problems for hours.
China's one-child policy is going to hunt them soon. They're going to face labor shortage soon and their healthcare and social security systems are going to under tremendous pressure to support the elderly. Their dark factories can lead to rising unemployment and even famine, assuming they can get their hands on new energy resources to even sustain it.
Russia has been severely weakened after the war with Ukraine. It has fallen behind the West in technology. Putin has ordered Russia to manufacture a domestic chip with 300 nm lithography. The US manufactured 300-nm chips in large commercial scale over 30 years ago.
Iran is on the verge of an economic collapse. Just 10 days ago before the negotiations with the West started, a US dollar was traded at 1,060,000 IRR. Minimum wage had been reduced to about $115 per month. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
North Korea is so poor that it cannot even feed their own population without UN and Chinese aids.

The internet was developed decades ago and Boeing has been offing whistle-blowers who were planning to testify against the safety standards of the company. America is de-industrialized, no amount of tariffs are going to change that. America is a service economy, it offers services not hard products. The idea that you're going to cut off ALL trade with China and replace it with US and EU trade is not feasible in the slightest.

If they weren't afraid of the competition they wouldn't legislate bans on Chinese high-tech products.

Dude... US is no longer industrialized? lol This made my day.
Every time you Google something or use ChatGPT or another LLM to ask a question, you are using an American invention. Even DeepSeek uses NVIDIA GPUs for processing.

Google, facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Apple, Tesla, Intel, IBM, CISCO, the list can go on forever. Even DNS servers that are at the heart of world wide web are still controlled by the US government. In short, all registered domains on the web are under the supervision of ICANN, a US company. All major browsers like Chrome, Firefox and Edge are controlled by the US. You ask how? It's simple. You need an SSL authority to sign your issued certificate for you before you can use it to establish an encrypted connection with your clients through HTTPS. All major browsers come with a list of approved SSL authorities. The US government can remove any authority they don't like from this list any time.
Again, you can talk for hours about how the US has nearly complete dominance over the internet, computer software and hardware.

 

[ToddE]

Yes countring a suicide drone is expensive now but There are solutions coming for slow loitering munitions, when they deployed on the ground, countries will not invest loitering munitions like shaaheds too much.

Weapons have eras. Right now Shahed is a Win-Win in a war (not engagement), will deplete the enemy's expensive (worse if foriegn procured) A2A and SAM stocks if shot down, or will take out some AD asset if not. Russians used it to their extreme benefit in Ukraine, where multifold costly missiles are regularly fired at it to no avail. Maybe in few years there will be a counter to this situation but right now there is none. There is a reason Russians took TOT and are focusing more on its production and upgradation than Khinzal and Iskandar BM.

For example Turkey prepares Akinci turboprop drone as a flying air defense battery, it will fire cheap Manpads to expensive RF guided AA missiles thanks to it is AESA radar.

Huge RCS, too slow for any actual aerial engagement. A decade back turboprop MALE UCAVs were wreaking havoc in every theatre, now they are obsolete and shot down easily. 30 TB2 have been shot down in Ukraine theatre, Houthis have dropped ~20 MQ-9 Reapers. Hezbollah did 8-9 Israeli Hermes 450/900. Thats ~60 MALE UCAVs in 3 years in just three zones of conflict where two of the defenses belonged to mere militias!

Irony for Iran here is that we have a HUGE fleet of MALE UCAVs ....

 

[Flotilla]

There is leaked emails and documents. Ive literally shared one.

The ruskies paid 200k per unit. Whatever variant it is, even if we assume a 1/5th cost, or even 20k, its still not a great ROI.

Tamir can intercept cruise missiles and drones. Rafael has demonstrated this, through some changes of its flight control laws, they can expand the target set.

I read it. But you can't mix a exportation VS manufacturera cost. Probably that price includes ToT for the first plant installed on Russian soil.

A guided missile cannot ever be compared with a cheap plastic body gasoline propelled UAV in cost terms.

And any other version of Tamir would cost naturally more.

Again, it has been the US that invited (or threat) Iran to a deal, not viceversa. The low cost of these and other munitions might be a reason aside from a nuclear threesold that have been trespassed probably months ago.

 

[ShapurII]

just a pathetic attempt at a jibe. You have half of your countrymen begging the west and jews to come and liberate you the amount of times i drive past your London embassy and see a crowd begging for US to come and take over

Dude, even if that happens, the West owns your beloved Saudis and Turkey as well.
So, at best, you will remain the slaves of Turks and Arabs, who are themselves the slaves of the so-called West. See the difference?

And so far, Iran has not signed a deal with the West yet. So, cope harder next time.

Anyway, you're off-topic. Your criticism about the cost of Shahed-136 is valid if the "leaked" document you showed is proven to be true. But I don't see how one could verify that and 200,000 USD for one Shahed drone seems too high.

 

[Shags101]

just a pathetic attempt at a jibe. You have half of your countrymen begging the west and jews to come and liberate you the amount of times i drive past your London embassy and see a crowd begging for US to come and take over

@Persian Gulf @Hack-Hook

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

I searched my archives yesterday, and based on the statements and clues provided by Iran, I've come to a conclusion that's almost 100% certain: Iran has built thousands of small kamikaze drones to be detected and destroyed by the enemy. These drones are designed to exhaust the enemy's weapons and deceive and overload their radars. I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of US and Israeli pilots, as it risks sowing confusion.

Imagine these small drones, controlled by AI, swarming towards a group of aircraft. These small drones can also serve as beacons in the sky. The use of small balloons is also possible.

 

[tsunset]

Conclusion of these debates:

"The Shahed sucks because it is Iranian"

 

[Shags101]

Conclusion of these debates:

"The Shahed sucks because it is Iranian"

Also very high priced compared to other countries astronomical from what I’ve been reading

 

[Flotilla]

i think next step would be Kizilelma , it will be prepared same role with 35mm airburst munition to hunt slow drones with a couple bullet and the game over , Kizilelma has jet engine and can fly up to 6 hours it has AESA too.

The problem of such interception it is the blast of the drone. It is easy to shoot down the interceptor because in the engine enter debris of the destroyed drone.

It has happen in the past. Just an accident, a small fragment in the engine can easily shoot down the interceptor.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/03/29/iranian-shahed-136-downed-su-27-ukraine-confirms-pilot-death/

Being Kizilelma a very good design I think the best way considers in fit cheap MANPADs (like Karrar does) and just shoot down at maximum distance and a bit over the suicide drone, after exploding the Kizilelma or Karrar would survive the debris.

I am sure even you can program the Kizilelma or Karrar for developing a strategy to shoot down from above this kind of suicide drones. But direct targeting with a gun it is so risky. Even for manned aircrafts.

 

[Flotilla]

Yesterday a very well know YT channel published a video about why Shahed and Ababil series are puting in high risk US in Red Sea.
As I said before how to loose a war without loosing one soldier.

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[Nevsky]

Sooo, Shahed will participate in the parade on the 80th anniversary of the Great Patriotic War.

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