Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[gamaji]

some religious Iranians care about Kashmir and what is happening there

but most Iranians don't care about Pakistan vs India conflict at all, we have our own problems to worry about

All the best bro for dealing with your own problems. But please make sure you don't allow your land be used as a launching pad by the terrorist Indian RAW's terror masterminds. We have caught them multiple time. And we know one big Indian fish is still active in Iran. We are trying to wash our hands on that one too. Let's see.

 

[r3alist]

There must be a way forward for both countries? Pakistan has not done much to improve its international standing either. Pakistan has internal issues and corruption that continues.

This I don't get the underlying sentiment, it signals a defeat in spirit, am I wrong ?

Talking about a mutual way forward when the other side is looking forward to drying your country out, has normalised the view domestically and believes it has all the cards in it's favour?


The only way forward imaginable is via credible deterrence.

No deterrence you get Gaza
Or Syria
Iran has it's deterrent so has cards to get a negotiation ... See the difference?


India won't even pick up the call

 

[Starlord]

Ending the ivt suggests a point of no return sort of plan

As does pining for Pakistan to have no water....I mean even if thsts your intention do you literally just say it....


Well these day's you can , Muslim nations have utterly been overwhelmed , no voice no justice, picked off one by one

What Muslim countries are good at is back stabbing each other to make their masters happy, just so they are on the good side, but what they fail to realize that if you don't unite than you will be picked up.
look at Israel situation, everyone knows there is a Genocide in place, ethnic cleansing happening but all the EU powers siding with their people in Israel, wrong or right don't matter its just they are sticking with their own against the " Other side ". Something we Muslims don't do rather we will sell each other off for few more years of survival.

 

[r3alist]

some religious Iranians care about Kashmir and what is happening there

but most Iranians don't care about Pakistan vs India conflict at all, we have our own problems to worry about

Exactly

This was true for Gaza too, in the end, neutral observers

 

[LHA4210]

Possible Indian Heron UAV, flying near LOC. If you look up the registration, it's not a Bell 407.

 

[r3alist]

What Muslim countries are good at is back stabbing each other to make their masters happy, just so they are on the good side, but what they fail to realize that if you don't unite than you will be picked up.
look at Israel situation, everyone knows there is a Genocide in place, ethnic cleansing happening but all the EU powers siding with their people in Israel, wrong or right don't matter its just they are sticking with their own against the " Other side ". Something we Muslims don't do rather we will sell each other off for few more years of survival.

Who is left to sell? Who is doing the selling?

 

[Kharral]

Similar claims were made for Israel and the US only for both powers to cripple Iraq and Syria and turn the tide on the Axis of Resistance and now Iran is vulnerable. India is a much larger country with much larger economy than Pakistan with more tools and options at its disposal to hurt Pakistan in a prolonged clash. Word is that India has suspended Indus Water Treaty. Now it remains to be seen what role other countries can play in reducing tensions between Pakistan and India or what position different countries will take in this developing situation. These are bad times.

Are you serious ?

There is absolutely no comparison between the Symmetries of Iraq & Syria vs USA, or Israel vs Hamas & India vs Pakistan.

I can write an article on the fallacy of this argument but I am sure even you are aware of the absurdity of this comparison.
So it’s pointless wasting any time over it.

All the measures announced by Indian government so far carry absolutely no weight in the real world. India is playing the terrorism game with one hand while protesting against terrorism with the other hand & everybody knows what it’s up to.

At the end of the day War fighting boils down to 2 things & 2 things alone,
First Willpower & then Logistics.
Push comes to Shove, Pakistan will outmatch India in Willpower.

All those “other counties” desire a certain course of action from India & it’s everything to do with China. Those “other counties” are offering their logistics to India for this purpose only but India simply doesn’t have the willpower to go in a conflict against China.

India’s sole utility to “other counties” is its willingness & availability to go against China, else it’s just as much of a threat to “other countries” as China. Pakistan with it’s one arm dangled to “other countries” offers them a solid counter balance to India.

Pakistan knows it, China, India & “other countries” know it too & have contingencies in place for their interests.

Time is neither good or bad. It’s what we do with Time that matters.

 

[Meengla]

If Afghan Taliban get TTP in control, few major selected strikes on BLA will send them back ages in their operations, Indians investments on BLA would hurt once the supporters of BLA are arrested and captured

I don't consider the Baluch separatists a major threat to Pakistan. However, TTP is a different ballgame and mostly because not only they have ideological kins in Afghanistan but they also have the terrain like the northwest of Pakistan AND they have significant local support in the northwest of Pakistan. We should never forget that the Pakistani state tacitly allowed the TTP power in mid 2000s in Malakand Division/ Swat Valley and the best the TTP mofos could do was to establish another Mullah Umar regime of repression in the peaceful beautiful Swat Valley. But why were the TTP successful in acquiring and retaining such large territory in Pakistan then? Because there were enough stupid people ideologically aligned with them. No point blaming India or America for that: No foreign presence can be THAT successful unless they have significant local support. But what gets me extremely angry is that this forum's darling Imran Khan kept indirectly supporting those goons by saying 'We are killing them just to get the American dollars'. What a stupid, opportunistic idiot!!

Morons like..., Maj. Gurav whatshisface said in 1 clip to get the head of Asim Munir. Then he spoke of 'Dead Bodies of PAK Army'.

Major Guarav Arya said many disgusting things: Behead the Pakistani Army chief Asim Muneer, kill the 'Punjabi' Army and put put their heads on spikes along the Line of Control, periodically 'mow the grass' once a week by launching attacks into Pakistan a la Israel into Gaza. Is that the caliber of a sound defense analyst with a military background?? At least General Bakshi is entertaining!

 

[Starlord]

Who is left to sell? Who is doing the selling?

There are plenty of Muslim countries which are "Allies" today but will become threat tomorrow hence needed to be destroyed or create buffer zones in them, sooner or later all of the Muslim countries will either be torn apart or will be worse than slaves. As for who is selling are our own leaders and people, you can buy a Pakistani dirt cheap and he will give shelter to Terrorists or RAW or CIA or sell national security.

 

[r3alist]

There are plenty of Muslim countries which are "Allies" today but will become threat tomorrow hence needed to be destroyed or create buffer zones in them, sooner or later all of the Muslim countries will either be torn apart or will be worse than slaves. As for who is selling are our own leaders and people, you can buy a Pakistani dirt cheap and he will give shelter to Terrorists or RAW or CIA or sell national security.

I really don't think there are Any or many Muslim ally nations.... That's just a self-delusion


What I meant was so much overwhelming pressure has been asserted on Muslim countries, some barely exist.. Libya Syria Iraq Afghanistan etc


The ones that do are worried about self preservation

In this context,you have no allies

There has been a psychological softening and acceptance through decades

 

[Starlord]

I don't consider the Baluch separatists a major threat to Pakistan. However, TTP is a different ballgame and mostly because not only they have ideological kins in Afghanistan but they also have the terrain like the northwest of Pakistan AND they have significant local support in the northwest of Pakistan. We should never forget that the Pakistani state tacitly allowed the TTP power in mid 2000s in Malakand Division/ Swat Valley and the best the TTP mofos could do was to establish another Mullah Umar regime of repression in the peaceful beautiful Swat Valley. But why were the TTP successful in acquiring and retaining such large territory in Pakistan then? Because there were enough stupid people ideologically aligned with them. No point blaming India or America for that: No foreign presence can be THAT successful unless they have significant local support. But what gets me extremely angry is that this forum's darling Imran Khan kept indirectly supporting those goons by saying 'We are killing them just to get the American dollars'. What a stupid, opportunistic idiot!!

Baluch could become a threat if we give them chances, like I said few major targeted operations can send them back decades, also we need to stop giving media space to BLA supporters, the missing persons who are majority ended up in BLA or found in suicide attacks, no other country allow such BS. Will America allow daughter of OBL to go on CNN to put her father side of Story ? No, never gonna happen.. but we have a daughter of BLA operative who hated Pakistan given full medic access to spew her BS. I hope that Munira is right about Pakistan becoming a hard state, not just for Terrorists but their supporters within our society, RAW , Iran or Afghanistan.

 

[Starlord]

I really don't think there are Any or many Muslim ally nations.... That's just a self-delusion


What I meant was so much overwhelming pressure has been asserted on Muslim countries, some barely exist.. Libya Syria Iraq Afghanistan etc


The ones that do are worried about self preservation

In this context,you have no allies

There has been a psychological softening and acceptance through decades

who needs enemy when you have friends like Afghanistan, Jordan or UAE... Afghanistan in context of Pakistan, UAE/Jordan in context of Gaza. Pakistan will never be in favorable position against India, you can provide every bit of evidence in International court or to International community but in the end, na baap bara na bhiya, na Genocide na ethnic cleansing or starvation or war crime, sab se bara Rupiyaa.

 

[LeGenD]

There is no abuse of reaction system, Its my choice to laugh at your posts and it doesn't break any PDF rule, so I will laugh at any posts I feel are foolish, you don't want like people laughing at your posts then stop positing, I don't mind if anyone laugh at my post.

as for way forward for India/Pakistan with current Indian/Pakistan setup, and how radicalized Indian public is there is no amount of things Pakistan can do to satisfy Indians, you can do whatever they want and it will take one incident and you will be back to starting point, without any evidence or prove they will just blame you, make some loud noises and western countries will condemn because of India been the bigger market for their businessmen/companies.
Both countries have/are/will be using insurgents to harm civilians, but unfortunately our "Neutral Mods" here are often post one sided narrative to please the few Indians.

You have misused the laughing reaction. I can do the same if you don't get it. The two can play the game.

I understand that India is difficult to reason with. I also pointed out that Pakistan needs more than its own options to keep India in check (i.e., international support). But Pakistan has not done much to improve its international standing unfortunately. Want me to expand on this theme? I can, but this is not the right thread. Let's focus on the updates, therefore.

 

[Meengla]

Baluch could become a threat if we give them chances, like I said few major targeted operations can send them back decades, also we need to stop giving media space to BLA supporters, the missing persons who are majority ended up in BLA or found in suicide attacks, no other country allow such BS. Will America allow daughter of OBL to go on CNN to put her father side of Story ? No, never gonna happen.. but we have a daughter of BLA operative who hated Pakistan given full medic access to spew her BS. I hope that Munira is right about Pakistan becoming a hard state, not just for Terrorists but their supporters within our society, RAW , Iran or Afghanistan.

Because Pakistan is a very soft state!!! I so much want to spit on the likes of Imran Khan and that cross eyed Justice Iftikhar Chaudry for the support given to the Pakistani Taliban and the 'Missing Persons', respectively.
Only now Pakistanis are seeing their stupid charade. Only now!! But the damage has been done. Oh you fools: You have to be a Stalin to bring peace within your country otherwise this 'Aadha Teeter, Aadha Bateir' won't worked, didn't work, will never work!

 

[Meengla]

Okay, I am losing track of post, but in case I didn't post it, this Pakistani technocrat, unlike other Pakistanis, is actually welcoming the abeyance of the Indus Water Treaty by India:

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