Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[maverick]

Pakistan Afghan relationships were cozying up and Indians can't tolerate it, they have to do something to divert attention from normalization of relationships

 

[Oscar]

Why then don't we wake up to this reality?

Global geopolitics are changing at max speed, and we are cozying up to Belarussian dictators. We make jingoistic nonsense speeches, and two days later an attack like this happens. Amateur hour all over.

The world has moved on to vibe coding, and here we are vibe geo-politking

Vibe geo politicing would mean some Artificial intelligence is still helping somehow.

Unless they are using GPT 2.0 level custom model trained on their old dusty idiocies.

The question here isn’t these leaders - its the awam - Faiz’s kuttay. Almost as if one can just yearn, in prayer
کوئی انکی سوئی ہوئی دم ہلا دے

I will just add

کوئی انکی سوئی ہوئی فالج زدہ دم کو اتنی اضیاتناک طرح سے نچوڑے کے

Maybe then they wake up

 

[Oscar]

Why Pakistab is the loser because of Bollywood drama?

Because it’s in the weakest position with zero support where there used to be and little cards to play due to the hole it has dug itself in. Its broken internally, its hapless externally and its defenders are ineffective while its people are no longer interested in defending anything.

The true ones are the silent men(and women) in all walks of life - doing what they can in whatever honesty of purpose and duty they can. Keeping the shells greased per requirement, losing sleep without regret on the border, treating the sick without want of reward, trying to build or learn with purpose and ethics.

Baqi sab saalay chor ke bachay aur haram ke pyasay hain.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am revising my earlier understanding that this attack was probably not a False Flag. In the last several hours, watched a few Pakistani analysts--some quite smart ones and not the jingoistic types. Zaid Hamid is jingoistic type. But this video, though is 8 days old, and I frankly never cared for people like Zaid Hamid but this video, wow, seems so relevant about India putting in abeyance the Indus Water Treaty. Per Mr. Hamid, India has already built enough dams and infrastructure on the rivers flowing into Pakistan to not to have to worry about the IWT.
Prophetic words coming true just 8 days later!!
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It shows the Pak Deep State has been anticipating this. Now, let's see what its response will be. I sincerely hope it has been preparing for it....

 

[Oscar]

A good twitter thread about this new lollypop that modi has given about IWT

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Leaving the IWT opens it to interpretation and any action including altering river courses and/or building defenses to ensure that aggressive hegemony goes unchallenged.

Ive said this for how long Ive totally forgotten but Kashmiris for all their suffering aren’t worth anything.
Water and height is what really matters to both sides.

 

[Oscar]

Pakistan Afghan relationships were cozying up and Indians can't tolerate it, they have to do something to divert attention from normalization of relationships

Crow out of feathers here - Dar’s visit has little impact and while things have gone from freezing to a moldy moist cold mess - this incident has less bearing there.

It is in my limited knowledge and read purely an opportunity for India to exploit.
And it is.

 

[SaadH]

Why then don't we wake up to this reality?

Global geopolitics are changing at max speed, and we are cozying up to Belarussian dictators. We make jingoistic nonsense speeches, and two days later an attack like this happens. Amateur hour all over.

The world has moved on to vibe coding, and here we are vibe geo-politking

Perhaps, Indians heard that idiotic speech from lumber 1 duffer and pounced on it as if it was Murder She Wrote episode. Fully manifested the attack and capitalized on that ill-conceived own goal of Munira Tharki...

 

[SaadH]

The whole process will take a couple of years to actually materialize, as in first concrete steps.

If you can't get enough of the world on your side by then, to phir aap ki diplomacy do takay ki bhi nhn hai.

World will be on India's side no matter what, given it's economy, global influence and the strength of its diaspora. Furthermore, India has been courted as the mole in the BRICS and it's membership of AUKUS, plus its biggest champions and patrons are the zionists who have complete stranglehold on Western countries and the institutions under western control...

This will ensure India will come out in top under any international mediation and arbitration. Israel/US/Russia has in the last couple of years completely broken the international rules based system, might is right.

If Pakistan doesn't want to live in Hindutva bondage for the rest of its sorry existence, there's no way of this jam other than to fight all the way to the nuclear threshold.

 

[arjunk]

Pakistan about to test a 480km range missile very close to the area where Indian aircraft carrier group is deployed in the Arabian Sea.

 

[arjunk]

If Indians initiate, they would across the LOC, international border sanctity is higher.

crossing loc is extremely costly and difficult, entering empty desert is easier, quicker and you can sell dumb Indians a win easily

 

[Master Chief]

Amateur hour has been revived across our eastern border.

And it is thus fitting that we find ourselves at a historical pivot that is eerily reminiscent of the one we all witnessed 6 years ago.

The horde of hindutva apologists that has masqueraded to the world as "secular" and "democratic" since its ideological zenith under Golwalkar is again embarrassing itself while trying desperately hard to live up to recently established and most lofty Bollywood standards of military achievement.

A brutal attack took place hundreds of miles away from the LoC while 700,000 heavily armed and supposedly well trained military personnel were napping, not for the first time it would seem.

At no point could this ancient superpower of divinely ordained brahminic magnitude have intercepted comms or disrupted supply lines of a humble ragtag cohort of lightly armed militia operating deep within the most heavily militarised flash point region in the entire subcontinent.

That this episode represents an intelligence failure would be an appropriate understatement, were it not for the fact that the prerequisite descriptor of "intelligence" itself remains largely inapplicable when referring to the brainless roundhat zombies that dare to shamble through these picturesque gardens of Eden.

Beyond the practical considerations of this incident, the discussion surrounding its moral context continues to be swept under the carpet in this dangerous, misguided and unpredictable new world.

Somehow, we are led to believe that Kashmiris themselves cannot possibly be enraged enough with their sad history of annexation, disenfranchisement, kidnappings, summary executions, rape, torture, demographic dilution and manipulation, cultural suppression, land seizures by non-Kashmiris, religious suppression, mosque closures, and visible militarisation, to take matters into their own hands and strike those whom they - rightly or wrongly - perceive to be laughing and clapping and vlogging so arrogantly in the face of their slow demise.

From our vantage point in Pakistan, we have certainly observed this game before in our own lifetimes, as did our fathers before us, and their fathers before them. We are fewer in number and, moreover, struggle to be heard amidst the perpetual screeching of the banshee hordes that circle around the eastern border of our fabled land, yet we are not so few in number or so overcome by the din that we shall be silenced.

We know what is coming. And we stand ready.

My dear saffron clad cousins, please do try and take the life-giving river that you have craved since time immemorial. The mighty Indus gave rise to both our nations milennia ago and you have always craved control over it since you came to realise its true significance. There is a reason Nehru chose "India" as the name for your nation state, and fittingly, Jinnah vehemently opposed Nehru's request in this particular regard - but that is a story for another day.

You will try to take the river, however, much to your chagrin, you will only ever get enough of it for 1 single cup of fantastic, Pakistani brewed, and wholly aromatic tea.

 

[LHA4210]

IAF An-32RE airlift aircraft from Chandigarh to Kashmir.

 

[LHA4210]

USAF aircraft SAM283 and SAM193 carrying US vice president have left India and currently over Pakistan.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

India is large and also a democracy. Other democratic countries are likely to gravitate towards India due to its merits and outlook. Indian diaspora is also doing a better job in many countries.

How can WE bring India to the negotiation table to solve all issues with it? This is possible by having leverage. Pakistan needs to create a society that many countries will come to respect and find conducive for investment so that Pakistan can grow, improve its international standing, and create leverage.

But Pakistan has political instability, corruption and lacking in consensus on various issues - these problems collectively lead to mismanagement of projects and mismatch in foreign commitments.

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Pakistan was also founded by well-respected politicians but became a security state instead of a democracy, mismanaged Balochistan, was late to push for reforms in the tribal belt and overlooked growth of the Al-Qaeda Network in the region until 9/11, was too late to push for the Intra-Afghan Dialogue in Afghanistan because Taliban groups were naively assumed to be loyal, and could not convince many countries to invest in Pakistan. Even CPEC was mismanaged and did not live up to its hype in Pakistani discourses. The brilliant CNG project took a toll on Pakistani gas reserves and now focus is on extracting minerals. I hope that the minerals project will be better planned and utilized. But some are skeptical. Pakistani issues do not help its image.

Pakistan is unable to create a flourishing economy consequently and rely on foreign goodwill to make ends meet. Recall the FATF Saga? This was but a push for reforms from other countries but not much has changed in Pakistan.

China has made it possible for Pakistan to meet its security obligations but some are expecting from China to solve all Pakistani issues? How can China do that?

The US have had a significant role in preventing a wider conflict between India and Pakistan since the 1980s but the US finds it difficult to cultivate a broader relationship with Pakistan and now see much potential in India instead. The US is not alone in this calculus but many countries are following suit. Some countries will attempt to diffuse tensions between Pakistan and India but they might also support Indian position in issues with Pakistan when India will be willing to talk. Maybe Pakistan is late to create leverage and bring India to the negotiation table on better terms as well.

I still remember how, during the 1990s and early 2000s, the U.S. used to balance its relationship with both India and Pakistan carefully. For example, when a U.S. leader visited the region, the big discussion was often about how many days they would spend in each country. Both sides would be eager — and even a bit competitive — to see who got more time, as it was seen as a sign of favour or importance.

Frankly, the world changed after 9/11. Before that, attacks in other countries were often brushed off as internal matters, and people would simply be used to saying, “It’s their issue,” or label it as violence stemming from local disputes. No one took it seriously on a global level. But after 9/11, it became an international issue, and such acts are highly regarded as terrorism and are no exception.

Blunder in kargil was already dent Pakistan reputation and s There onwards started losing the plots because they unwingly to changed their policies, first they needed to force choose between Taliban and USA+ allienes, Pakistan chosen USA but those many armed actors turned against Pakistan, anyone Pakistan never wanted to loose than so always supporting them behind the table.

After the Mumbai attacks, and with the U.S. repeatedly stating that Pakistan was not fully cooperating and was still providing support to the Taliban and similar groups, it marked a turning point. That ongoing criticism ultimately dealt a major blow to Pakistan’s global standing — one it hasn’t fully recovered from.

There was a time when leaders like Atal Bihari Vajpayee visited Pakistan in the 1990s and openly expressed a willingness to discuss all issues. I’ve seen many such statements from Indian leaders during the 1990s and early 2000s. But today, things have changed significantly.

I’ve personally said many times — Pakistan should have taken a cue from China’s approach. Even with ongoing disputes, China knows how to keep the issues alive while continuing business as usual. But from the posts I’ve seen, many people in Pakistan seem overly excited, expecting some sudden miracle that might change the situation in Kashmir — still holding on to hopes that may never be fulfilled. stuck with kashmir by saying - will talk on kashmir than others, not going to help anyway.

On the other hand, I respect how China handles its long-term interests. They approach things strategically — take Taiwan for instance. They’re not rushing into conflict, but playing the long game, capitalizing on opportunities when they arise. That’s exactly how they regained control of Hong Kong from the UK — with patience, leverage, and calculated moves

 

[Lulldapull]

World will be on India's side no matter what, given it's economy, global influence and the strength of its diaspora. Furthermore, India has been courted as the mole in the BRICS and it's membership of AUKUS, plus its biggest champions and patrons are the zionists who have complete stranglehold on Western countries and the institutions under western control...

This will ensure India will come out in top under any international mediation and arbitration. Israel/US/Russia has in the last couple of years completely broken the international rules based system, might is right.

If Pakistan doesn't want to live in Hindutva bondage for the rest of its sorry existence, there's no way of this jam other than to fight all the way to the nuclear threshold.

Oh bhai.......$300 billion gdp waalay $4 trillion gdp waalon say nahi larr saktay.

Buss!