China hits back at Canada with fresh agriculture tariffs

The problem is US want the cake and eat it too, which is logically impossible.

Someone US official even suggest to force other countries to swap current existing tresuries into zero coupon long term (like 100 years) tresuries to reduce US interest or deficit payment.

That is like asking you to work for or sell to someone, and then they would pay you in 100 years time with no interest.

Would you still work for the guy or sell to the guy?

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Lol, really, why you don't buy from the west instead of buying from China like there's no tomorrow?
Look, what will happen with West,
China has a sanction proof economy

Why India can only grin and bear Trump’s tantrums while China roars back​

Prasanna Mohanty
11 Apr 2025 7:37 PM (Updated:12 Apr 2025 10:38 AM)

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Donald Trump says countries are “dying to make a deal” with America. China, clearly, is not on the list.

Do you know why China is aggressively hitting back at the US with counter-tariffs (“fight till the end”) and is responding in kind to Trump’s latest salvo of 125 per cent tariff, unlike any other major economy, including India, or group of nations like the EU?

The EU has proposed a counter-tariff of 25 per cent against the US but is likely to back off after Trump hit a 90-day pause and lowered reciprocal tariff to 10 per cent for all, except China. It is a different matter that Trump told investors that “this is a great time to buy” — hours before he put the pause button that led stock markets to soar.

China can fight back because it has built itself into a powerhouse of manufacturing, technology and exports.

Bloomberg’s David Fickling writes, “The world’s biggest manufacturer has spent decades building an economy that’s already largely war-proofed against blowback from its own trade practices”, particularly after Trump 1.0 launched the first trade war against it in 2018.

China’s share of US imports has gone up by 4 percentage points to 18.5 per cent since then, while the US share of exports to China slipped by 6.6 percentage points to 17.2 per cent.

Fickling further writes that China dominates US imports in all categories — from smartphones and computers to games consoles to furniture to toys and clothing — while the US is relatively a minor supplier to China, except for jet engines and, to a limited extent, soya.

Higher tariffs against China will, therefore, hit American consumers who have seen four years of high inflation and two-decade-long high interest rates; China’s retaliatory tariff will hit American producers going through the third year of producer price deflation.

Meanwhile, Fickling notes, China has built ties with other trading nations to broaden and diversify its markets for exports, unlike the US.

Others have noted that China, a major buyer of US agricultural produce, diversified imports from Brazil and increased its domestic production of soya, corn, beef, pork, wheat, sorghum, etc., to reduce its dependence on the US.

US data shows that its trade deficit with China may have fallen from $375 billion in 2017 and $418 billion in 2018, but at $295 billion in 2024, it is still very high.

China also leads the biggest trading bloc — the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP), including the 10 ASEAN members and its free trade agreement (FTA) partners like Japan, Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. This bloc has a global share of 28.8 per cent in trade and 30 per cent in GDP.

After 2018, it set up manufacturing bases in Mexico and other Latin American countries to access the US market, and in Turkiye, Nigeria, and Morocco to access the European markets to beat both trade barriers and the China+1 strategy (Economic Survey 2023-24).

It is now doing so in Vietnam to access the Indian market, and signed nine economic and technical agreements with Bangladesh last month. No wonder, India is worried about the dumping of Chinese goods as a big fallout of Trump’s tariff war.

Ironically, China and India began their economic reform journey together, in the 1980s. The two started at virtually the same levels in size, per-capita income, and inequality.

But today, China is the number one in

(a) manufacturing (global share of 28.8 per cent against India’s 2.8 per cent in 2023

(b) exports of goods (global share of 14 per cent against India’s 1.8 per cent in 2023)

(c) emerging high-tech (leads the world in 37 of 44 technologies in defence, space, robotics, semiconductors, renewable energy, biotechnology, AI, quantum technology, etc.) and science

China’s GDP, at $17.75 trillion, is five times India’s $3.57 trillion (current USD) in 2023. Despite additional (recent) sops such as corporate tax cut and PLI subsidies, India's manufacturing remains flat at 17.2 per cent of GVA in FY25, as it was in FY14. Goods exports fell to 17 per cent of GDP in FY23 (up to which NAS data is available), from 17 per cent in FY14.

India has shunned all mega trading blocs — both the US-led CPTPP (the US walked out of it in 2017), which was formed to isolate China, and China’s counter to it, the RCEP. Now, China is trying to join the CPTPP.

Meanwhile, the US started the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework for Prosperity (IPEF) in 2022. India signed up, but stayed out of its trade pillar. The Economic Survey of 2023-24 argued that India must join the RCEP to boost manufacturing, develop global value chains (GVCs), check trade and tech deficits and check “potential supply disruptions” and “risk of economic coercion…for political leverage” by China. But the government ignored it.

India is renegotiating all its bilateral FTAs, managing to conclude only four during 2021-24 — Mauritius, Australia, the UAE, and the Trade and Economic Partnership Agreement (TEPA) signed with the European Free Trade Association (EFTA). A World Bank report of 2024 said the impact for the first three “remains to be determined” and dismissed the fourth as “relatively limited in scope”.

Faced with imminent US tariff threats, India woke up in 2025 to resume bilateral FTA renegotiations — with the EU after eight years, with the UK after eight months, with New Zealand after 10 years, and with the US, the first bilateral trade talk (BTA) began a few days ago.

These bilateral FTA talks have become far more complicated after the “reciprocal” tariffs. For example, like the US, the EU demands zero tariff on cars. The EU has an old score to settle, too, along with Japan and Taiwan — as India lost its case in the WTO in May 2023 over erecting tariff barriers (of 7.5–20 per cent on ICT products, while the WTO mandated 0 per cent).

That India erected trade and non-trade barriers (license-permit raj for laptops/PCs, wheat, rice, sugar, pulses, gold, steel, etc., and also quality-control orders) are known — prompting Trump to call India “tariff king” and “big abuser” of trade ties and attracting the USTR’s ire.

India is not sure whether it wants trade in local currencies with non-US countries or not — as a safeguard against USD dominance. First, it committed to this for BRICS nations in 2024, then backtracked when Trump threatened retaliation — only to revive it in the BIMSTEC talk on April 5.

Trade in local currency among BRICS makes sense — India, China, Russia, Brazil, the UAE and other members constitute 37.3 per cent of global GDP (more than double of EU’s 14.5 per cent) and 40 per cent of global exports and crude oil production. Not so much for BIMSTEC, a minor grouping of Bangladesh, India, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

All the above are relevant to any discussion on India’s trade vulnerabilities or future direction.

Trump 2.0 has made global trade unpredictable and chaotic, through unilateral decisions and flip-flops. India can’t breathe easy, as the US threatened higher tariff on other “bad actors” while hitting the pause button in which India was clubbed with Vietnam, Japan, and Korea.

Then, the White House said “more than 75 countries” had called in to negotiate tariffs. Trump said countries were “dying to make a deal”. A US trade representative said India was among 50 countries willing to lower tariffs. The White House warned against retaliatory tariffs by posting on X on April 9: “Do not retaliate and you will be rewarded.”

What the above indicates is that there could be many like India willing to sweeten the deals by buying American oil, gas, and weapons like F-35 or give a free pass to Trump’s ally Elon Musk. Some are already offering to buy US agricultural produce — which would be hit after China, its biggest market, pulls out. This is to be expected because the US is the most powerful economic and political entity.

Global value chains also come into the picture. These can neither be built, dismantled or rearranged overnight to establish new global trading routes or markets. Here also, India is on weak ground because its presence is very low, even in the Asia-Pacific region.

All the above factors would determine whether India can find alternative markets for its US-bound exports for future stability and predictability — counter-intuitive as it may sound from its own unpredictable, unstable trade policies.

The Federal reached out to three eminent trade experts to find alternative markets for Indian exports bound for the US. All were unequivocal in their response: None.

That probably explains why no expert or trade think tank has prepared any such list yet.

Ajay Srivastava, founder of the Global Trade Research Initiative (GTRI), said: “Had there been alternatives, we would have already exported more, not waited.” For him, the major hurdle in the top export categories to the US — electrical, telecom and electronics in first place and jewellery in third — is “low value addition”. The US has held off reciprocal tariff for pharmaceuticals, which is in second.

The GTRI’s February 2025 report listed the low-value-addition items such as iPhones, solar panels, diamonds, and petrochemicals, and said that “after accounting for PLI incentives and other concessions, the real earnings are close to zero”. Low value addition means little gain from exports.

Biswajit Dhar, former director of EXIM Bank and member of the GOI’s Board of Trade, said: “Nobody can give you that (alternative) on a platter; solution will have to be found on a case-to-case basis or tailor-made.”

His lament is that India doesn’t have a Plan B or initiative; it didn’t take forward its ‘Look East’ and ‘South-South Cooperation’ initiatives or engage with Africa (no bilateral FTA or negotiations with the African Union). On the other hand, businesses are hanging on to the government’s coat-tail.

A former top India trade negotiator, requesting anonymity, told The Federal that all countries were equally anxious over the US’s tariffs and its changing contours for any clarity to emerge anytime soon. The only new market he could foresee for the future is (neglected) Africa.

Perhaps the only leeway that India could have is by re-routing, re-distribution, or diversion of goods though countries with a favourable trade deal with the US. But this has been nixed by the Commerce and Industry Ministry. On April 9, ministry officials cautioned exporters against it to avoid retaliatory US action.

Trade experts point out that China adopted this strategy after the US’s first trade war of 2018, using Vietnam and Mexico for re-routing.

Given all the chaos Trump 2.0 has spread, it is easier to understand Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Chandrababu Naidu’s predicament. The only chief minister who has taken up the cause of his state’s exporters, he has asked the Centre to get the US to exempt shrimp exports. Andhra Pradesh contributes a bulk of such export and Trump’s tariff has jolted the shrimp farmers, with harvesting halted, purchases frozen, and prices plummeting.

But that (exemption) would be possible only when the BTA negotiations are concluded — expected in autumn (September-October) — and may involve opening up the Indian market for US farm produce. That is sure to spark strong protests from farmers.

Source:
https://thefederal.com/the-federal-...trumps-tantrums-while-china-roars-back-181226
First, We find, only China is comparable to india among Newly Industrialized countries 🙂

Now, You writing above about that country India, which has been producer of Mig29s with Moscow since 60s-70s, aircraft carriers like Gorskov with Russia since 60s-70s. While China has been 'traditionally' considered poorer to Pakistan type countries, like till 1990......
How's even 2nd generation aircraft holder China 'cloned' SU27s of Indian helped russian aircraft? this ability to 'clone' 4th generation aircraft by China was registered by this century. 🙂
About ship industry? Chinese first honoured Aircraft Carrier, they got from indian-risdian helped Ukraine? This honour of Shipping industry like indian-russian Gorskov AC, we achieved in 60s-70s, and the Ukrainian AC honour China got by this century. 🙂
Looking Mr, show the history of at least half century of building AC and aircraft like indian-russian. China look hardly 'kid' in front of India -russia combined 🙂
 
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Look, what will happen with West,

First, We find, only China is comparable to india among Newly Industrialized countries 🙂

Now, You writing above about that country India, which has been producer of Mig29s with Moscow since 60s-70s, aircraft carriers like Gorskov with Russia since 60s-70s. While China has been 'traditionally' considered poorer to Pakistan type countries, like till 1990......
How's even 2nd generation aircraft holder China 'cloned' SU27s of Indian helped russian aircraft? this ability to 'clone' 4th generation aircraft by China was registered by this century. 🙂
About ship industry? Chinese first honoured Aircraft Carrier, they got from indian-risdian helped Ukraine? This honour of Shipping industry like indian-russian Gorskov AC, we achieved in 60s-70s, and the Ukrainian AC honour China got by this century. 🙂
Looking Mr, show the history of at least half century of building AC and aircraft like indian-russian. China look hardly 'kid' in front of India -russia combined 🙂
When did India and Russia become something like one country or entity, lol ? But, India is in no way comparable to China.
 
Those that want to rob others countries reserve/saving in US tresuries are arguing that US provide the dollar system as a global service and needs to be paid.

The things is, the exorbitant priviledge that US enjoyed from controlling the world reserve currency has already been extracted. You cannot sell the same things twice !

The world richest country is complaining that they get the short end of the system that they created and set-up themselves. Seriously?

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Maybe some American are suffering economically, but the rest of the world is not responsible for their economic well being.

The American people elect and run their gov't. All of their policy were set up by themself and I don't think anyone else has the power to force them. Whatever happened it is their responsibility. They should owned up to their problem instead of pointing at other as scapegoat.
 
Malaysian Prime Minister says...

When Chinese opened trading post in Malaysia hundreds or thousands of years ago, what Chinese did is just trading.

When Europeans came and opened trading post in Malaysia hundreds of years ago, first they were trading, then they imposed their will on Malaysia with guns, and Malaysia became a European colony.

That is the difference between China and the West.

Anyone ever heard, USA military is the backbone of USD and USA economy... it could be true, and it's true, but WHY?

Because they don't want fair trade at all, they want to cheat, they want international trade rules to benefit them the most.

And today is the day when their rules no longer benefit them, they want to change the rules of the game.

Trump's trade deal is hard for any country to accept because, as usual, it's a very bad deal for other countries.

Japan says it is an extortion... a form of colonialism.

To accept the Trump trade deal is to accept that your country will be colonized and become poor and will be poor forever.

Europeans changed the world whether you like it or not. Chinese do not care about non-Chinese
 
We will have to wait and see how much of Chinese global market is captured by Turkey.



Yes, it's probably unwise to use Iran as a reference because it is in a very unusual situation due to sanctions.

Turkey can't, nobody can frankly. The entire industrial supply chain is only available in China. From raw materials to finished products including every component and parts. The countries that can substitute some of Chinese products still are dependent on at least some components that's from China.
 
The problem is US want the cake and eat it too, which is logically impossible.

Someone US official even suggest to force other countries to swap current existing tresuries into zero coupon long term (like 100 years) tresuries to reduce US interest or deficit payment.

That is like asking you to work for or sell to someone, and then they would pay you in 100 years time with no interest.

Would you still work for the guy or sell to the guy?

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What is happening in USA or will happen in USA... remember the economic crisis in Sri Lanka.

That is what USA wants to export, from USA to your country.


For any country that complies with USA tariff agreement, will be frequently in economic crisis and riots.

After taking away your profit made by hard work, USA also wants your savings and assets.

For every economic crisis that happens, USA will buy your country's assets cheaply.


As a bonus, if you comply with USA demand, USA will protect your country militarily.

So, every political leader and group that rises up to complain about this unfair practice, USA will send CIA agents or military forces to kill him.

USA has a right to 100% of your country's politics and internal affairs.

What a great bonus!


Yes, America will be great, Trump doesn't lie.

But what about the rest of the world?
 
What is happening in USA or will happen in USA... remember the economic crisis in Sri Lanka.

That is what USA wants to export, from USA to your country.


For any country that complies with USA tariff agreement, will be frequently in economic crisis and riots.

After taking away your profit made by hard work, USA also wants your savings and assets.

For every economic crisis that happens, USA will buy your country's assets cheaply.


As a bonus, if you comply with USA demand, USA will protect your country militarily.

So, every political leader and group that rises up to complain about this unfair practice, USA will send CIA agents or military forces to kill him.

USA has a right to 100% of your country's politics and internal affairs.

What a great bonus!


Yes, America will be great, Trump doesn't lie.

But what about the rest of the world?

Frequent economic crisis and riots...

Is that a problem?

You are a third world country anyway.

Corruption, economic crisis, and riots are what third world countries are supposed to be!
 
When did India and Russia become something like one country or entity, lol ? But, India is in no way comparable to China.

Look,
it has been Chinese spying also, Russian scientists have been found inferior to Chinese one, once Beijingwalker also said in posts, I remember.

From here, this is only india, and this is the story of history of 'Moscow' 🕳️
 
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Just now, at the regular press conference of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Foreign Ministry spokesman Guo Jiakun denied that China and the United States are negotiating on the issue of tariffs.

问:近来美方不断释放消息称中美之间正在谈判,甚至将会达成协议。请问您能否证实双方有没有开始谈判?
Q: Recently, the US has been releasing news that China and the US are negotiating and may even reach an agreement. Can you confirm whether the two sides have started negotiations?

答:这些都是假消息。据我了解,中美双方并没有就关税问题进行磋商或谈判,更谈不上达成协议。这场关税战是由美方发起的,中方的态度是一贯的、明确的。打,奉陪到底;谈,大门敞开,对话谈判必须是平等、尊重、互惠的。
A: These are all fake news. As far as I know, China and the United States have not held consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue, let alone reached an agreement. This tariff war was initiated by the United States, and China's attitude is consistent and clear. If you want to fight, we will fight to the end; if you want to talk, the door is open. Dialogue and negotiation must be equal, respectful and mutually beneficial.



Obviously, this is the Trump administration releasing fake news. He is trying to influence the US domestic economy and put pressure on other countries by releasing these fake news.

China is not interested in engaging with the United States under the current circumstances. Even if Trump takes the initiative to reduce or even cancel tariffs now, China may not cancel its tariff countermeasures against the United States soon. In this game, China wants to fight to the end until the United States completely surrenders!
 
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Just now, at the regular press conference of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Foreign Ministry spokesman Guo Jiakun denied that China and the United States are negotiating on the issue of tariffs.

问:近来美方不断释放消息称中美之间正在谈判,甚至将会达成协议。请问您能否证实双方有没有开始谈判?
Q: Recently, the US has been releasing news that China and the US are negotiating and may even reach an agreement. Can you confirm whether the two sides have started negotiations?

答:这些都是假消息。据我了解,中美双方并没有就关税问题进行磋商或谈判,更谈不上达成协议。这场关税战是由美方发起的,中方的态度是一贯的、明确的。打,奉陪到底;谈,大门敞开,对话谈判必须是平等、尊重、互惠的。
A: These are all fake news. As far as I know, China and the United States have not held consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue, let alone reached an agreement. This tariff war was initiated by the United States, and China's attitude is consistent and clear. If you want to fight, we will fight to the end; if you want to talk, the door is open. Dialogue and negotiation must be equal, respectful and mutually beneficial.


We all know Trump and company BS all the time, make up many things all the time.
 
Just now, China’s Ministry of National Defense held a regular press conference.

记者:据报道,美国防部长称,中国正在组建一支专门用来摧毁美国的军队,中国的高超音速导弹可以在20分钟内摧毁美国的所有航空母舰,五角大楼举行的每一场战争推演都输给了中国。美印太总部司令称,中国生产战机和军舰的速度远超美军,已具备在“第一岛链”阻止美国取得空中优势的实力。请问发言人有何评论?
Reporter: According to reports, the US Secretary of Defense said that China is building a special army to destroy the United States. China's hypersonic missiles can destroy all US aircraft carriers within 20 minutes. Every war game held by the Pentagon has been lost to China. The commander of the US Indo-Pacific Headquarters said that China's production speed of fighter jets and warships is much faster than that of the US military, and it has the strength to prevent the United States from gaining air superiority in the "first island chain". What comments does the spokesperson have?


张晓刚:美方一些人总是戴着有色眼镜看待中国军队,渲染所谓“中国军事威胁”,我想这正是当前中美两军交往的障碍所在。不冲突、不对抗、和平共处,是中美两国最基本的共同利益,也是世界人民的普遍期待。我们对自身发展有清醒的认识,希望美方不要有“受迫害妄想症”,总拿别人当借口。
Zhang Xiaogang: Some people in the US always look at the Chinese military through tinted glasses and exaggerate the so-called "Chinese military threat". I think this is the obstacle to the current exchanges between the Chinese and US militaries. Non-conflict, non-confrontation and peaceful coexistence are the most basic common interests of China and the US, and are also the general expectations of the people of the world. We have a clear understanding of our own development, and hope that the US will not have "persecution mania" and always use others as an excuse.

 
Just now, at the regular press conference of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Foreign Ministry spokesman Guo Jiakun denied that China and the United States are negotiating on the issue of tariffs.

问:近来美方不断释放消息称中美之间正在谈判,甚至将会达成协议。请问您能否证实双方有没有开始谈判?
Q: Recently, the US has been releasing news that China and the US are negotiating and may even reach an agreement. Can you confirm whether the two sides have started negotiations?

答:这些都是假消息。据我了解,中美双方并没有就关税问题进行磋商或谈判,更谈不上达成协议。这场关税战是由美方发起的,中方的态度是一贯的、明确的。打,奉陪到底;谈,大门敞开,对话谈判必须是平等、尊重、互惠的。
A: These are all fake news. As far as I know, China and the United States have not held consultations or negotiations on the tariff issue, let alone reached an agreement. This tariff war was initiated by the United States, and China's attitude is consistent and clear. If you want to fight, we will fight to the end; if you want to talk, the door is open. Dialogue and negotiation must be equal, respectful and mutually beneficial.



Obviously, this is the Trump administration releasing fake news. He is trying to influence the US domestic economy and put pressure on other countries by releasing these fake news.

China is not interested in engaging with the United States under the current circumstances. Even if Trump takes the initiative to reduce or even cancel tariffs now, China may not cancel its tariff countermeasures against the United States soon. In this game, China wants to fight to the end until the United States completely surrenders!

So, the negotiation news is fake.

It's one-sided.
 

China tells US to ‘cancel all unilateral tariffs’ if it wants talks

Beijing says claims it is nearing a deal with Washington to resolve the trade war are ‘fake news’

 

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