Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Oscar]

When your navy is smaller than Indian Coast guard
Then yes

I would not suggest sending the Indian coast guard - even all of them - against anything other than a Pakistani gunboat.

Pakistan also doesn’t have the massive coastline India has which even to this day any dinghy or small fishing vessel with some gumption can land on in any area without much ado or even detection.

If anything, Indian Navy and coast guard are still short handed for the task before them.

 

[Meengla]

The only reason we signed the Indus Water Treaty was to allay Pakistan's fears that we want to destroy their country by stopping their water.

We had no obligation to sign the treaty. It was purely magnanous gesture by Pandit Nehru and company.

They were off the opinion that once Pakistan's fear of being starved out of existence were allayed. Pakistan will not feel the need to go to war over Kashmir and the two neighbors could co-exist peacefully.

1955 to 1965 was the the worst decade for India, with constant faminies, failure consecutive 5 year plans, constant food shortages and two wars being imposed on us.

We did not wish that kind of starvation on any one else even on a country that considered us their enemy.

Instead of being greatful, Pakistanis developed a sense of entitlement over the treaty and Ironically launched all its wars against India after signing of the treaty.

@MootPoint has given a great response just above.
I will only say that 'Thank you' for trying to educate us. I may not agree with you but I do give 'Thanks' and 'Likes' when I see it fit.

Anyway, you signed on the dotted lines in a binding Contract, with international arbitrators and guarantors. The Treaty was a result of years of hard work. You should stick with your side of the deal. I have signed about half a dozen real estate deals in my life. Some I still regret. But I signed on the dotted lines. It is ME who is responsible for my decisions, as should be India for India's decisions. No excuses.

But I'd suggest that you COULD work with Pakistan to help Pakistan manage its water better than being managed by Pakistan and that way you could ask for more share of water. Apparently India is better than Pakistan in water management so use that as a 'service' instead of using water as 'blackmail'. There can be a win-win! Otherwise, there is absolutely no doubt that blocking water to 25 million people will NOT be good for anyone!

 

[Justin TruDont]

Hum to ab aatai k liye bhi line main nahi lagtai

Beef aur aata donon wafir miqdaar main available hai

Baqra eid bhi aanai wali hai. Mutton, Beef, atta, chawal sub hoga

Aa jana agar khana ho to. India main bhooki nangi zindagi kab tak guzaro gai?

I Live in Canada dude
Or as they say in Punjab "Kanneda "

The wealthy in Pakistan were never standing in line
They were sipping tea, enjoying life in Bahria Town or DHA
It's the common awaam earning 30000 pkr a month which has to stand in line.

An average Indian is economically better off than an average Pakistani
Given that our GDP is 10 times that of Pakistan, while the population is 6 times the size

But given we have 1.43 billion people in India , you will find around 300 million poor in this country, which are dependent on central government for free food and Healthcare

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Regardless which country played a role in getting the pilot released, why Modi failed his nation by not firing the missiles at Pakistan? He dropped a few bombs in a deserted area in Pakistan (claiming a to punish Pakistan for alleged Pulwama attach) but then got a bloody nose. It's utterly disgraceful. Did he repent from punishing Pakistan? Apparently yes.

Even now all Indians are just farting. If he wanted to punish Pakistan then and couldn't for whatever reason, what is stopping him from doing that now. I assume it's his own ash that will get badly kicked as a result.

Well , the way imran khan was forced to return him, because fear of indian response, credit goes to modi.

Else normal circumstances - there is a process, read the similar incidents in between other countries - it takes sometimes

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I would not suggest sending the Indian coast guard - even all of them - against anything other than a Pakistani gunboat.

Pakistan also doesn’t have the massive coastline India has which even to this day any dinghy or small fishing vessel with some gumption can land on in any area without much ado or even detection.

If anything, Indian Navy and coast guard are still short handed for the task before them.

Indian coast guard not equipped to deal with any other navy.... That's very true

They can maximum deal with pirates, or less equipped ships with guns etc

 

[Justin TruDont]

I would not suggest sending the Indian coast guard - even all of them - against anything other than a Pakistani gunboat.

Pakistan also doesn’t have the massive coastline India has which even to this day any dinghy or small fishing vessel with some gumption can land on in any area without much ado or even detection.

If anything, Indian Navy and coast guard are still short handed for the task before them.

Mexicans and Cubans have been landing in Fishing boats in Florida for decades
Pakistanis have been traveling in Fishing trawlers to Italy and Greece for decades
That doesn't mean US NAVY is week or that Nato is week

It's easy to sneak in a Fishing boat
Than a 40000 ton cargo ship

 

[gamaji]

Well , the way imran khan was forced to return him, because fear of indian response, credit goes to modi.

Else normal circumstances - there is a process, read the similar incidents in between other countries - it takes sometimes

You can believe in whatever you want.

Modi's missiles? Yeah, after getting a bloody nose and utter humiliation in from of the whole world, what Modi could do was only making false claims only to become a laughing ass of the world.

 

[Meengla]

Well , the way imran khan was forced to return him, because fear of indian response, credit goes to modi.
Else normal circumstances - there is a process, read the similar incidents in between other countries - it takes sometimes

I don't know why it is such a complicated matter as to why the downed Indian pilot Abhinandan was returned so quickly in 2019: He was a lone POW with no value to imprison him. He had rights per the Geneva Conventions. He was of no use to Pakistan but Pakistan scored a major diplomatic and PR win globally by returning him in a graceful manner. The entire world watched and admired the return.
It was a brilliant (and rare) good PR stroke by the the state of Pakistan.

 

[Jaeger]

Nonsense. There was no Indian 'magnanimity' and such claims show your arrogance and stupidity. The Indus does not flow by your permission. It has and will continue to sustain our civilization till the end of time, by the Magnanimity and Grace of God Almighty alone.

In retrospect, it was the Pakistani negotiators who showed great flexibility to IWT in their approach and made decisions based on the moral imperative of water being a human right. For example, despite being under no obligation or legal precedent, they allowed India to take 3.6 MAF water for local use within Kashmir, as they believed it necessary for the future water security of the people of Kashmir. They also conceded the eastern rivers despite there being little to no land under cultivation in Rajasthan back then, with the understanding that Pakistan would then build Tarbela Dam to ensure the continued supply of water to Bahawalpur/South Punjab, which historically had already been under cultivation since time immemorial, and was the most affected by reduction of water in Sutlej. These concessions from Pak are the only reason why IWT has stood the test of time. Not any supposed Indian magnanimity.

But our negotiators back in the 50s did not foresee that India would instead subvert the 3.6 MAF provision to plan almost 60 dams, not for the benefit or water security of local Kashmiris, but as a tactic of coercion against Pakistan. In fact, even before Modi suspended IWT, practically India has been violating every aspect of it both in letter and spirit, utilizing much more than the stipulated 3.6 MAF, and delaying water release during Rabi sowing season, whenever technically possible.

PS: it is laughable that you folks still call yourselves "Indians", while having zero affinity or association with the Indus beyond using it as a tool of coercion. Jinnah told you not to use this name for your own good. But I personally don't mind. Because this identity only reinforces the fact that you were culturally, militarily and economically dominated by the people of the Indus Valley for close to a millennium, during what is universally accepted as the golden age of India. Of course you Sanghis are now trying to re-write your history because this idea is intolerable to you. But the fact is your language, your arts, your architectural symbols - everything you put on those colorful marketing posters for "Shining India" - in short the whole syncretic culture - is a product of what the people of the Indus contributed to the subcontinent. The Indus is not a tap. It's the life blood of an idea. That is what it really means to be "Indian".

There was no need for India to sign any treaty with Pakistan what so ever. India would have used whatever it required and damned the rivers as required as does every other nation.

China never bothered to sign any water sharing treaty with india or Pakistan or Bangladesh. India never signed a water sharing treaty with Bangladesh.

Neither have hundreds of other nations that share rivers.

Now you will learn, what it means, taking others magnanimity for granted the treaty you felt you are entitled to is now gone.

 

[mythbuster]

Nonsense. There was no Indian 'magnanimity' and such claims show your arrogance and stupidity. The Indus does not flow by your permission. It has and will continue to sustain our civilization till the end of time, by the Magnanimity and Grace of God Almighty alone.

In retrospect, it was the Pakistani negotiators who showed great flexibility to IWT in their approach and made decisions based on the moral imperative of water being a human right. For example, despite being under no obligation or legal precedent, they allowed India to take 3.6 MAF water for local use within Kashmir, as they believed it necessary for the future water security of the people of Kashmir. They also conceded the eastern rivers despite there being little to no land under cultivation in Rajasthan back then, with the understanding that Pakistan would then build Tarbela Dam to ensure the continued supply of water to Bahawalpur/South Punjab, which historically had already been under cultivation since time immemorial, and was the most affected by reduction of water in Sutlej. These concessions from Pak are the only reason why IWT has stood the test of time. Not any supposed Indian magnanimity.

But our negotiators back in the 50s did not foresee that India would instead subvert the 3.6 MAF provision to plan almost 60 dams, not for the benefit or water security of local Kashmiris, but as a tactic of coercion against Pakistan. In fact, even before Modi suspended IWT, practically India has been violating every aspect of it both in letter and spirit, utilizing much more than the stipulated 3.6 MAF, and delaying water release during Rabi sowing season, whenever technically possible.

PS: it is laughable that you folks still call yourselves "Indians", while having zero affinity or association with the Indus beyond using it as a tool of coercion. Jinnah told you not to use this name for your own good. But I personally don't mind. Because this identity only reinforces the fact that you were culturally, militarily and economically dominated by the people of the Indus Valley for close to a millennium, during what is universally accepted as the golden age of India. Of course you Sanghis are now trying to re-write your history because this idea is intolerable to you. But the fact is your language, your arts, your architectural symbols - everything you put on those colorful marketing posters for "Shining India" - in short the whole syncretic culture - is a product of what the people of the Indus contributed to the subcontinent. The Indus is not a tap. It's the life blood of an idea. That is what it really means to be "Indian".

Thanks for the well researched and succinct post.

 

[mythbuster]

When your navy is smaller than Indian Coast guard
Then yes

Some claim size doesn't matter.....if it does Indians won't be able to reproduce.

 

[Dalit]

When your navy is smaller than Indian Coast guard
Then yes

No doubt that Pakistan has the ability to take down anything that India possesses.

 

[ARMalik]

Netanyahu shows his solidarity.

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Yea two terrorists licking each others hind side - isn't it great???

 

[TopGun786]

When your navy is smaller than Indian Coast guard
Then yes

When someone talks like this here we call him "Bonga".
Do all Indians talk like you?

 

[Dalit]

There was no need for India to sign any treaty with Pakistan what so ever. India would have used whatever it required and damned the rivers as required as does every other nation.

China never bothered to sign any water sharing treaty with india or Pakistan or Bangladesh. India never signed a water sharing treaty with Bangladesh.

Neither have hundreds of other nations that share rivers.

Now you will learn, what it means, taking others magnanimity for granted the treaty you felt you are entitled to is now gone.

You are living in another dimension. Make no mistake. Pakistan will do whatever necessary to make sure that it's share of water isn't diverted by India.