Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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including Bushehr ?

even if he is bluffing, the fact he feels confident threatening this shows how badly IRI has failed to establish any form of deterrence

ultimately Iran needs nuclear weapons to secure our existence. whatever the cost. nothing else will suffice. but Khamenei is unlikely to approve this and the military leaders haven't given him good options either.


The Americans haven't been able to have the success they wanted even against the Houthis so i doubt they'd be able to reach Irans nuclear facilites. Bibi just trying to stir things up while trump is trying to negotiate with them
 
Elimination of the president Raeesi has impacted the country beyond expectations, IMHO...first and foremost the difference in approach and direction between him and the actual president... He couldn't be elected without go-ahead by some powerful fraction inside the system, so I also think that soft takeover is going on behind the scenes... but honestly, you shouldn't expect any nuclear-armed product soon... direction here seems to be different from this one...

everything is with own pros and cons in national geopolitical decisions, and those who are most responsible are in a very hard situation... detente is legitimate long-term doctrine, but we have zionist mad dog in the neighborhood, self-destructive and extremely dangerous, wounded and furious, supported by religious fanatics in their own way, evangelists... combination with zero common sense in any way... and they are aware of own decreasing in power and control...

genocide already made it clear that killing is allowed in any quantity, if they serve to their twisted sectarianism and provide protection of godly created entity....

Despite all this, I think that Americans will sabotage any major blow to Iran that will undoubtedly get out of control...fractions inside their secret intelligence services are strongly against war with Iran...

At least, IMHO, this is the opinion of actual president of Iran, worst-case scenario will be avoided... I really hope it will..
What is happening inside Iran cannot be done solely by the Americans. The Russians and even some pan-Turk elements in Iran are involved in what is happening. Pezeshkian became the President through a pan-Turk coup in the system.

The problem is that the organized opposition groups are a worse alternative. Pahlavi has no notable accomplishments and there is no indication he has any ability to actually lead a state, I suspect any genuine support for his return is people being nostalgic rather than actually thinking about what a future under him would be like. MEK is a joke and not even worth discussing. Most likely alternative will be neoliberal takeover which will turn Iran into a impoverished resource exporter like 90s Russia. Very sad state of affairs overall.
Pahlavi is the non-charismatic, secular, Zionist loving version of Khamenei. He might get some things in order, like our relations with the West, but that isn't enough. And the problem is not Pahlavi himself. It is the people around him and the cost of toppling the current regime through a revolution, which is too high. Reformists are even worse than Pahlavi. Very sad state of affairs indeed.
 
What is happening inside Iran cannot be done solely by the Americans. The Russians and even some pan-Turk elements in Iran are involved in what is happening. Pezeshkian became the President through a pan-Turk coup in the system.


Pahlavi is the non-charismatic, secular, Zionist loving version of Khamenei. He might get some things in order, like our relations with the West, but that isn't enough. And the problem is not Pahlavi himself. It is the people around him and the cost of toppling the current regime through a revolution, which is too high. Reformists are even worse than Pahlavi. Very sad state of affairs indeed.
Pahlavi is a puppet of tom morly, he had the little hat on his head, so tbh reformists are like Amir Kabir compared to Pahlavi.
 
Pahlavi is a puppet of tom morly, he had the little hat on his head, so tbh reformists are like Amir Kabir compared to Pahlavi.
Reformists share the same mentality that Rafsanjani and Rohani led. They want to turn Iran into a Sheikhdom that sells her resources for the elite to rule with prosperity. Most of the corruption and nepotism in the IR started with Rafsanjani.

I would very much prefer a Head of Atomic Agency like Akbar Etemad to people like Ali-Akbar Salehi or Mohammad Eslami.
 
Pahlavids were open puppets

While reformists are astray pro west traitors [munafighs]
 
Reformists share the same mentality that Rafsanjani and Rohani led. They want to turn Iran into a Sheikhdom that sells her resources for the elite to rule with prosperity. Most of the corruption and nepotism in the IR started with Rafsanjani.

I would very much prefer a Head of Atomic Agency like Akbar Etemad to people like Ali-Akbar Salehi or Mohammad Eslami.
I agree, but imagine reza pahlavi being 10 times worse, he will sign capitulation to give up Iranian arms industry, nuclear program and introducing ethnicism inside in exchange that his low family can be put in power to steal Iranian tax money for 50 generations to come.
 
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The "opposition" (i can't even call that an opposition) is catastrophic, Pahlavi never worked in his whole life, not even once, MEK is a total joke, who is left? Masih Alinejad? They're all the same on a US NED payroll following Jewish agenda of total destruction in the region

The only good option left is IRGC kicking out everyone using force and install IRGC as the main governing body, then pursue nuclear weapons and ICBMs using everything IRI has installed in Iran. But then Iran will be a military dictatorship and will look similar or worse than North Korea
 
I agree, but imagine reza pahlavi being 10 times worse, he will sign capitulation to give up Iranian arms industry, nuclear program and introducing ethnicism inside in exchange that his low family can be put in power to steal Iranian tax money for 50 generations to come.
Watch Akbar Etemad's interview. Akbar Etemad was an honest, reliable person who supported Iran's nuclear program after the revolution and opposed the JCPOA.

He said that the Shah was afraid of the West but asked him how long it would take to build nuclear weapons. The Shah wanted to become independent from the West, but he couldn't. The Shah was a Western puppet. He came to power through an arrangement with the British, but at least he created a formidable air force and he was creating a formidable navy as well. When the Shah left the country, Iran was the world's 13th largest economy by GDP and we reached the 11th place in 1980. He invested in laser enrichment in early 70s when no country other than the US had this technology. And the people during the Shah time were patriots, unlike now.

I don't know much about what kind of ruler Reza Pahlavi will be because he hasn't been tested yet. But I remember the period of Rohani and Zarif quite well and I remember how everyone working with these people were traitors.
 
The "opposition" (i can't even call that an opposition) is catastrophic, Pahlavi never worked in his whole life, not even once, MEK is a total joke, who is left? Masih Alinejad? They're all the same on a US NED payroll following Jewish agenda of total destruction in the region

The only good option left is IRGC kicking out everyone using force and install IRGC as the main governing body, then pursue nuclear weapons and ICBMs using everything IRI has installed in Iran. But then Iran will be a military dictatorship and will look similar or worse than North Korea
Yes, but it should be done by the neo-conservative people in the IRGC like Ghalibaf or young people who have a better idea about geopolitics, history and the mindset of the Iranians born after 1980. Not people like Salami.
 
Watch Akbar Etemad's interview. Akbar Etemad was an honest, reliable person who supported Iran's nuclear program after the revolution and opposed the JCPOA.

He said that the Shah was afraid of the West but asked him how long it would take to build nuclear weapons. The Shah wanted to become independent from the West, but he couldn't. The Shah was a Western puppet. He came to power through an arrangement with the British, but at least he created a formidable air force and he was creating a formidable navy as well. When the Shah left the country, Iran was the world's 13th largest economy by GDP and we reached the 11th place in 1980. He invested in laser enrichment in early 70s when no country other than the US had this technology. And the people during the Shah time were patriots, unlike now.

I don't know much about what kind of ruler Reza Pahlavi will be because he hasn't been tested yet. But I remember the period of Rohani and Zarif quite well and I remember how everyone working with these people were traitors.
I agree with you but this guy has been tested 100 times, maybe you're by age a young person. I will tell you about reza, he's is 100% compromised, he flirted with separatists, he's basically a fierce and proud slave of netanyahu. He never helped ordinary Iranians (also not the ones in diaspora) in any way is only seeking power and financial benefit, then being said he's a lazy and greedy person as well. Itold one of my naive friends we had Shah Abbas, but we also had Sultan hoseyn. This guy is already a Sultan hoseyn while not being king. May that day never come!
 
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The only good option left is IRGC kicking out everyone using force and install IRGC as the main governing body, then pursue nuclear weapons and ICBMs using everything IRI has installed in Iran.
Military takeover is probably the best option but seems unrealistic. We need leaders who are interested in safe guarding the nation and it's interests as well as investing into actual development instead of selling oil until the wells run dry or lining their own pockets.
But then Iran will be a military dictatorship and will look similar or worse than North Korea
You know for most of its early history NK was more developed than SK until the US flattened almost every building in the country. Frankly I wish Iran could have had a figure like Kim il-Sung or Mao to lead it. One wonders why Iranians never formed a successful effort to oppose British occupation when others like NK, China, and Vietnam did.
 
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including Bushehr ?

even if he is bluffing, the fact he feels confident threatening this shows how badly IRI has failed to establish any form of deterrence

ultimately Iran needs nuclear weapons to secure our existence. whatever the cost. nothing else will suffice. but Khamenei is unlikely to approve this and the military leaders haven't given him good options either.

They have a very big mouth, extreme arrogance and look from above to Iranians.
It's good that Asia is coming back, we should move towards an Asian-Iranian identity (Iran being one of the main powers and walls of Asia).
That means that the Islamic identity should be softened/faded, in general it damaged Iran anyways more by destruction of a stable forward going state (in that era Iran was the oldest and the only "nation-state" of the world and had a steady progress. They had their spies and made use of the 30 years Roman Christians/westerners - Iran wars and the Justinian Plague.

Khosrow I ("Anushirwan" The Immortal Soul), Shortly before the aggression/invasion of Muslim forces against Sassanid Iran introduced following reforms:

1. Tax Reforms Reorganized the tax system to make it fairer and more predictable. Replaced arbitrary taxation (based on whim) with fixed taxes assessed according to land productivity and population. Introduced a cadastral survey (systematic recording of land and ownership) to better estimate taxes.

2. Military Reforms Reorganized the army into a professional standing army. Established a "fourfold division" (North, South, East, West) of military commands. Reformed the cavalry (especially heavy cavalry called aswaran), offering salaries instead of relying on feudal levies. Fortified the eastern frontier (e.g., built the Great Wall of Gorgan to defend against nomadic invasions).

3. Administrative and Bureaucratic Reforms Strengthened the central bureaucracy. Reduced the power of the nobility (aristocrats who had previously dominated provincial government). Appointed professional officials based on merit rather than noble birth.

4. Legal Reforms Reorganized the judicial system. Codified laws more systematically to reduce corruption. Promoted justice (he was famous in Persian tradition as the model of a "just ruler").

5. Religious and Intellectual Policies Promoted religious tolerance (especially towards Christians, Jews, and even Greek philosophers fleeing the Byzantine Empire). Founded the Academy of Gundishapur (a major center for science, philosophy, medicine, and translation from Greek, Indian, and Syriac sources). Encouraged philosophy, medicine, astronomy, and translation movements. 6. Public Works Invested in infrastructure: built roads, bridges, canals, and dams. Improved agriculture with irrigation projects (particularly in arid parts of the empire). Urban development projects, including maintenance of cities and defense structures.

The roots of Sino-Iranian and Indo-Iranian identity took shape in pre-Islamic Iran. This should be our vision, we need a new vision and unfortunately I don't see visionary-revoultionary leadership. I explained earlier that I see Khamenei as an Abbasid puppet-caliph being led by external elements who have their own interests and who benefit from giving the system a face while themselves are hiding behind that face to continue their corruption.

Now the best way to answer Western-Hebrew fascists is creating ICBMs, Nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines so that we have second strike options if they decide to genocide us by nuclear or biological weapons (in the future).

The negotiations should only be carried out with the tought of enriching more Uranium @ 60% by prolonging the negotiations, demanding full sanction removal, full access to our shares which we still have in different western companies, full access to our funds. Also the agreement should be ratified by passing the senate and UN, some sort of law should be made from this agreement with a heavy penalty clause in case that they want to leave the agreement again. The agreement should be ONLY about nuclear sector and should include that no future sanctions can be given anymore, especially not on banking and tech, no new demands shall be made.

In addition add opening embassies and some preferal investment opportunities for American nuclear, energy, tech, aviation industry so that Trump can brag that he made a better deal.

In the end Iran should create a loop/escape hole for a strategic decision of creating nuclear weapons in case when it will be necessary in the future.

@Persian Gulf I edited some of the text, hope you'll be able to read it completely.
 
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They have a very big mouth, extreme arrogance and look from above to Iranians.
It's good that Asia is coming back, we should move towards an Asian-Iranian identity (Iran being one of the main powers and walls of Asia). That means that the Islamic identity should be softened/faded. The roots of Sino-Iranian and Indo-Iranian identity took shape in pre-Islamic Iran.

The best way to answer Western-Hebrew fascists is creating ICBMs, Nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines so that we have second strike options if they decide to genocide us by nuclear or biological weapons (in the future).

The negotiations should only be carried out with the tought of enriching more Uranium @ 60% by prolonging the negotiations, demanding full sanction removal, full access to our shares which we still have in different western companies, full access to our funds. Also the agreement should be ratified by passing the senate and UN, some sort of law should be made from this agreement with a heavy penalty clause in case that they want to leave the agreement again. The agreement should be ONLY about nuclear sector and should include that no future sanctions can be given anymore, especially not on banking and tech, no new demands shall be made.

In addition add opening embassies and some preferal investment opportunities for American nuclear, energy, tech, aviation industry so that Trump can brag that he made a better deal.

In the end Iran should create a loop/escape hole for a strategic decision of creating nuclear weapons in case when it will be necessary in the future.
these are all good ideas in theory but it's not realistic in practice, Iran does not have that much leverage against the US
 
If Jalili or Raisi were in power everything was different

Majority of azeris made a great mistake by voting to pezeshkian
 

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