Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

"PM Shehbaz has vowed that “every drop of blood” spilt by those slain in last night’s air strikes by India would be avenged.

“This is the cowardly enemy that attacks unarmed civilians and thinks itself stronger. But we proved last night that Pakistan knows how to deliver a befitting response in its defence. The nation pays tribute to the bravery and strength of the armed forces.” "

Confusing statements from PM.

He has said there would be vengeance, but also said that a response was delivered already.

On balance, I strongly suspect these people will now back down militarily and whine at the UN about something or the other.

He has said nothing about actually authorising further action. It's just vacuous climb down language.
This is called keeping options open. Grant that he is being advised to say exactly what needs to be said. Pakistan does not need to announce its plans to anyone. If a decision has been made to go +1, then it will be done. We need to hold our cards close to the chest. It is India's to wait, anticipate, sweat where the response will come.

Even if IK was in the office, the advice to him or to SS would be the same from the establishment. In these matters, the adage "loose lips sink ships" applies very aptly.
 
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Lmao

I think next the next sq of J-10CE will be landing in Pakistan soon... now we have time to wait for J-35's to mature, as we know that Rafale is not changing any balance of power in subcontinent.
 
Whats the risk we loose our own pilots while launching SOWs at India from our airspace? Because i think same happened to India and India will be waiting for PAF.

It's a risk, either they launch at maximum range or utilize artillery and rockets/missiles to be on the safe side

After India lost so many jets, they would LOVE to shoot down a Pakistani jet
 
We were never together with the Indians. The only time we were was when the British came. But even then they ruled India for 200 years and ruled us for 150 years. Most of modern day Pakistan before that was ruled by our own Durranis and is basically the Indus Valley. A Punjabi, Sindhi, Kashmir, Balochi and a Pashtun has nothing to do with rest of India ethnically and culturally. Let that be clear.
Agree regarding your description of our nationhood being wholly unrelated to that of India. As you point out, we were never a single nation - this is an Indian narrative.
Rather, we were two nations occupied by the British and we won our freedom off London, not Delhi. Indians still parrot this false narrative that "Pakistan was a dismemberment of India". In truth, they were never in ownership of us for even one second.

The one caveat though is that ethnically and genetically, there is overlap and similarity between Pakistanis and Indians in the border adjacent regions, unsurprisingly.
 
What to say, according to Pakistan India has lost 7 aircrafts, Srinagar airport has been leveled, Indian POWs in Pakistan.
PAF successfully jammed Rafale jets, although could not jam or stop the many Drones that landed in Pakistan.
This seems a clear victory for Pakistan, and I congratulate it for bravely facing indian agression.
Which drones?
Its 4 jets + 3 drones.
Remaining Indian attacks were combination of Scalp, hammer, brahmos and an unidentified system.

The loitering munitions that fell post this were by Indian SF but one was taken down by CUAV systems and the other two crashed after their operators abandoned them in loitering mode.
 
What to say, according to Pakistan India has lost 7 aircrafts, Srinagar airport has been leveled, Indian POWs in Pakistan.
PAF successfully jammed Rafale jets, although could not jam or stop the many Drones that landed in Pakistan.
This seems a clear victory for Pakistan, and I congratulate it for bravely facing indian agression.

We are not saying anything. World media, aviation experts and actual pictures do talking for us, but carry on the rant if it makes you feel better.

What may be a better use of your time is some introspection on how, despite billions in the very latest US and European defence equipment and being more then twice the size, you just had your air forces ass handed to it on a silver platter? Bet guess that requires some degree of self awarness. In the meantime I will take the word of French intelliGence agencies over "Jugger" on PDF.
 
One thing to consider is that the PAF overall has been operating the J10CE for far less time than the Indians have been. That PAF has mastered the aircraft so quickly and is getting the best out of what the platform offers, is a significant reflection on the professionalism and capability of the PAF..
 
Rafale BS001 kill confirmed
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Isn’t this the exact same Rafale “BS-001” (the first as said in the video) that Rajnath Singh flew all the way to France to do a puja on? It took them less than 6 years to turn the Rafale into their next flying coffins?

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From the ceremony, see the tail.
Source:https://www.financialexpress.com/ph...stunning-images-of-the-aircraft-for-iaf/lite/

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I wouldn't be surprised if Indians had EW or other equipment turned off or were too relaxed.
This was one of the most bizarre and poorly planned air operations in modern history. Over 70 Indian jet fighters were crammed into a narrow airspace while their adversary, Pakistan, was fully equipped with PL-15 beyond-visual-range missiles with a reach of up to 200 miles. To make matters worse, Pakistan’s ground defence systems were fully active. Bringing so many fighters into the same location was a strategic disaster—it became a literal shooting gallery. If one missile missed its target, there was another jet in close range to hit. It was total chaos. This disastrous decision will haunt the Indian Air Force for the next 40 to 50 years. They’re in complete disarray. Even if you gave them F-35s today, they’d still mess it up—because their confidence and morale are now at rock bottom.
 

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