Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Musings]

PM L N.. is running around like chickens… one minister is telling no retaliation while other is making contact with indian counterparts.. and another says place and time of own choosing… can india throw something on jati umra pls or whereever these goonies are hiding maybe then they will take is serious

Last warning. You know my sentiments to our political leadership. This is neither the time or place to show politics.
Keep it out of this thread - enough.
U ire and focus on the enemy

 

[Red Rock]

I think the armed forces leadership need to take into consideration a very important fact. By us conducting these retaliatory attacks we are giving more and more information to the Indians about our Airforce strategies, our tactic's, our equipment capabilities, all things that should have been used when an actual war breaks out. Because we all know, who so ever controls the air controls the battle field, therefore I feel we have shared enough as it is.

We need to retaliate but should do so not with the air force but with surface to surface munitions. Use the a100, Fatah etc. to take out important installations or equipment. Use drones, suicide drones and ew jamming drones if we have. But do not use the jets as the primary weapon, they can stick around deep in our airspace to counter any attacks but not be at the forefront. It is better for our missiles to get shot down rather than a single jet. Also, they should do it within the next 24hrs before international pressure gets way too much.

But most importantly reply in such a manner that the Indians don't ever think of conducting such an attack again. These guys have started to make it a norm. Any terrorist attack and they think they can bomb our country. HELL NO! Enough is Enough. We need to send a clear message, they try to escalate up the ladder we will blow up the ladder and put up a new one where the sun don't shine. There can be no more bombings, no more surgical strikes no more of this nonsense. Give them a bloody nose, one they will remember for always.

Pakistan Zindabad, Pak Jawan (Army, Air, Navy, Intelligence) Paindabad!!

 

[PakSword]

Any news about these drones?

Most likely they are checking our defences.

The war is far from over. And our enemy is not shit scared as we think about them.

 

[Bilal]

Most likely they are checking our defences.

The war is far from over. And our enemy is not shit scared as we think about them.

Yes, seems probing.

 

[Musings]

These are acts of war from india.

Pakistanis shouldn’t shy away from war. Pakistan should go for a massive crippling strike on india and try to capture areas along LOC.

If Ukraine can survive against Russia, Pakistan can survive against India. China has more production capacity than USA and can supply Pakistan. Pakistan has natural resources and strategies locations it can use to pay for the war.

Bro comparing the incompetence of India to Russia is a bit wrong.
India has shown in the last 48 hours - they are led by donkeys

 

[Shafsins]

Last warning. You know my sentiments to our political leadership. This is neither the time or place to show politics.
Keep it out of this thread - enough.
U ire and focus on the enemy

How can you keep these separate? After all, our PM said beggars cannot be choosers. Current leadership does not have substance.
Not looking for confrontation but this is my opinion.

 

[Waterboy]

Most likely they are checking our defences.

The war is far from over. And our enemy is not shit scared as we think about them.

There's a IAI harop video striking lahore, what about that.

 

[Great Mal]

Most likely they are checking our defences.

The war is far from over. And our enemy is not shit scared as we think about them.

As with everything bravado should be for when everything settles down, but Pakistanis are falling into the same trap as Indians of false victories and misinformation

 

[NA71]

Shah faisal Coloney Karachi...near Karachi Airport ....some sort of heavy explosion....Video being shared by locals.

 

[Bilal]

Indeed because we know Pak Air defence systems are vulnerable. You’re so called HQ-9 nowhere to be found. Kamikaze are raining like bullets on Lahore. No video of intercept by Pakistani or firing any AD missile.

It’s a bait. An untrained, unprofessional force would light up the sky and reveal everything.

 

[Musings]

How can you keep these separate? After all, our PM said beggars cannot be choosers. Current leadership does not have substance.
Not looking for confrontation but this is my opinion.

We are at war and we are focusing on the enemy. Leadership and the incompetence - save it for another day. We should unite now

 

[Anaa]

Jihad tax payers p he farz Hai ?

@Sharma Ji what kinda military leadership we got on both sides. Never in warfare history such snail paced battle encounters took place . You fire something then provide us with ample time to respond and vice versa .


Yeh larai krna b chahty Hain K Nahi or took the rabbit and tortoise story seriously?

 

[ety]

Deputy Prime Minister: All 5 Indian fighter jets were shot down by the J-10, and if they were not restrained, they could have shot down 15​

2025-05-08 11:04
Published in: Fujian Province

After the initial chaotic statistics, the situation of the India-Pakistan air battle on May 7 was basically clear. Pakistani Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar clarified the details when reporting the India-Pakistan air battle in parliament. It was confirmed that 5 Indian fighter jets and 2 drones were shot down, all of which were achieved by J-10C fighter jets. He also added that a total of 75-80 Indian fighter jets participated in the operation, and Pakistan could have shot down 15 of them, but in order to prevent the conflict from escalating, it exercised restraint and only shot down 5 of them.


Pakistan Deputy Prime Minister briefs

The five Indian fighters shot down by the J-10CE included three French Rafales, one Su-30MKI, and one MiG-29 fighter, all of which were fourth-generation classic models in the world, but the J-10 was able to achieve a 0:5 victory. No wonder India did not dare to retaliate afterwards, and did not hype it up as it did in the past. You should know that these models were purchased from abroad at a high price by India as its main models. In particular, the French Rafale, which was equipped with a total of 36 aircraft, is almost a mythical existence in the eyes of the Indian Air Force, who believe that it can easily suppress fourth-generation aircraft and even has the ability to deal with fifth-generation aircraft.


The report stated that the Chinese side had been informed of the battle situation through diplomatic channels at the first time, and hoped to maintain close communication and coordination with the Chinese side on the current situation. Obviously, both the manufacturer and the user are very satisfied with the J-10. This is also the first actual combat record of the J-10 and the supporting PL-15, and it shot down 5 of the world's top fourth-generation aircraft. It is no wonder that Pakistani netizens said that many countries will cancel the "Rafale" orders in the future, and the J-10 is ready to welcome the explosive order mode.


J-10CE fighter

Rafale fighter

Rafale fighter

Perhaps not wanting to offend France, Pakistan's deputy prime minister gave a relatively neutral assessment of the Rafale fighter jet. He quoted the French saying that the Rafale fighter jet has advanced performance, but the quality of Indian pilots is worrying, and the Rafale fighter jet cannot play its due combat effectiveness in their hands. The Pakistani Air Force also found that the Indian aircraft formation has serious defects. After the incident, two more senior Indian military officers were dismissed, and the deputy commander of the Indian Air Force was dismissed on the spot a few days ago. It can be seen that its internal command system has fallen into chaos.


They may also want to highlight Pakistan's strong strength, saying that the J-10 is a product of China-Pakistan cooperation, and they have jointly built the Pakistan Air Force combat system. Moreover, although the Pakistan Air Force's flight squadrons are not fully equipped, they have achieved a brilliant record of zero casualties with their superb flying skills. The results of the air battle are basically clear. The Indian Air Force has problems from command to grassroots operations. Although the Rafale and Su-30MKI are very expensive, the Indian Air Force failed to give full play to their due performance, so it is not surprising that they were defeated.


Indian Air Force deputy chief removed from post

The quality of Indian pilots is relatively low

The J-10CE has a larger nose, equipped with a radar with a maximum detection range of more than 220 kilometers, and equipped with a PL-15E with a maximum range of 150 kilometers. The Rafale has a relatively small nose design, equipped with an RBE-2AA radar with a maximum detection range of 200 kilometers, and equipped with a Meteor air-to-air missile with a maximum range of 150 kilometers. In theory, the J-10CE can detect the Rafale earlier, and the effective range of the PL-15E is higher than that of the Meteor, so it can fire first and hit the enemy first. The point is that modern warfare is not a single-machine duel. The Pakistan Air Force has a complete system combat capability, including the ZDK-03 airborne early warning aircraft, which can realize two-way data link command and combat with the J-10CE.


Although the Indian Air Force also has early warning aircraft, they are French Rafale, Russian Su-30MKI, MiG-29 fighters, equipped with Russian A-50EI early warning aircraft (Israeli radar technology), EMB-145I early warning aircraft (Brazilian and Swedish technology). This combination is made by many countries, and no one knows how to integrate the technologies of so many countries. In actual applications, fighters can only receive voice commands, and the combat efficiency is extremely low. Therefore, even if the Rafale is locked, it is estimated that no one knows who launched the missile. The J-10CE may not have turned on the radar, and the ZDK-03 early warning aircraft will carry out the guidance operation, so it seems not surprising even if 15 are shot down.

 

[S.Y.A]

the drones were shot down, yes. but do we know for how long they loitered in our airspace? what they transferred back to india?

they may have all the intelligence they needed. this is bad.

 

[Saifullah]

Bro comparing the incompetence of India to Russia is a bit wrong.
India has shown in the last 48 hours - they are led by donkeys

I agree. My point was if tiny Ukraine can resist Russia, Pakistan can resist incompetent india in a war.

At the end of the day, india was tryna become an upcoming superpower, not Pakistan. All Pakistan needs to do is ruin its dreams of being any sort of power.