Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Hareeb]

From Indian drones intrusion, it seems dallas in PA high command have once again submitted to US pressure.

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[NA71]

Yar do we have drones to replicate Indian move....send them to near by Indian cities....replicate the action.

 

[Mr X]

A lot of numbers are being circulated here and all other social media regarding the number of indian jets shot and engaged. My take..
So far IAF is maintaining an unprecedented silence over the whole thing. Even media and "reliable" experts like shiv aroor and Abhijit Iyer are not disclosing anything except some cryptic quotes. So it's obvious that some upset has happened.
*I was watching the whole thing in real time. By 4:00 IST some folks here posted about Indian jets begin getting crashed/ shot. Then news quoting some " defence officials" came on pakistani channels. This was picked by other international media and a circular quoting chain started.
In india "Hindu" was the first to came with the story of 3 jets shot/ crashed. But the image was of some discarded Fuel tank outside a school in Indian Kashmir. No source was given. Later on the tweet was deleted and apology released.
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Now The Hindu being a well known MSM this post got wide coverage . All other media houses made this one the base of their reports.

Meanwhile PDF and other pakistani media was going wild over the numbers. 3-4-5-6 jets + UAV were claimed to be shot.
I witnessed All types of real/ fake/edited images in those few hours.
It was a wild night.
Now so far the only "credible" reported incident is from Bhatinda.
Even there no official update has came so far.
The mystery of Bhatinda is further compounded by the distance between the crash site and IB. It's not possible that any jet shot near the IB or in pakistani air space can fly till the crash site. The PAF jet has to enter Indian Space to shoot it. This is something denied by both sides.
My hunch is that the Jet got damaged due to pakistani AA fire / or technical malfunction during the attack and tried to return to base but got crashed 20 km away from Bhatinda Air Base.
Or worse it was shot by own AA.
If any PAF jet was involed in the shooting then they must be having Gun camera or other proof. So far nothing has came out.

That's all from my side.
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@Musings @Sharma Ji

Your analysis reminds me that if in cricket match, if I was out on the no ball, it would have been not out and I would have got one extra run.

If the plane crashed in bhatindq because it was already damaged as per your opinion, it’s still one up for Pakistan.

 

[Arsenal Caan]

Surprisingly Indian tactics against Pakistan are the same as those of Hamas or Hizabullah against Israel, i.e., using rockets and loitering ammunition. Means India has already lost conventional deterrence against Pakistan.
Now, Pakistan's response should be exactly the same as Israel, which is to use Air Force and flatten the targets through precision strikes.
Once PAF/PA is able to take out s400, there is no air cover in India, and space is open from Ambala to Calcutta.
Quite easy using a salvo of Fatah 1/2 missiles. I think PA already has the coordinates of s400 batteries from ground based intel provided by OGWs. Precision striking will be easy.

 

[I*R*A]

Pakistan take your time, no need to make emotional decisions and take hasty steps. Delay and keep dragging it till the nerves of the khaki chaddi terrorists start cracking, let their media keep yelling and creating panic … and finally strike where it hurts their arrogance, stupidity, ignorance and pride most.

Take your time, keep calculating, keep revising, keep it in dark, let them make the mistakes, let them panic, let them remain confused and on their toes. Strike when they finally shit their pants out of constant fear of being attacked.

Let these khaki chaddiz make it known ample enough to the world to see how ignorant, extremist, intolerant, unreliable, backward and dangerous they are.

 

[Hassan_716]

Or may be its just a diversion as they talk all the time about kashmir, so they are just diverting our attention. Keep an eye up there too..

 

[Rehan]

I am very angry right now but let’s calm down. Do you think I am fool when I asked Chinese member to send help to pakistan? I even urged him to send army and also wanted pakistan to open gates in Kashmir, the place where china and pakistan border connects. Pakistan is in a state of shock because they think that india will miss the target and stop. End of escalation. India quietly mobilized entire army with almost no pictures videos in social media because of crackdown.

They are there to end us this time or at least take back our Kashmir. I still believe that most of our armed forces are still daydreaming that india will stop. India will beat the hell out of us if we don’t target Indian civilians. Why civilians? It will put pressure on india to stop because they are cowards from inside and can’t see blood of their own people. You have to read pervez Musharraf, what a hero! I miss pervez Musharraf.

With drone attacks, intention is clear. Next targets are lahore and karachi and we can’t stop them because of lack of interceptors. We didn’t build any sams. We were busy in making ababeel. Take nuclear weapons in your as•••.

Defensive approach destroys your country. It creates panic in society. It so hard to forget those cruise missile strikes from india. It was like we are Palestine etc. now this. I hope everyone here knows the location of malir. If they can reach malir, they can reach masroor airbase as well.

I had some of the dreams again and again. One dream is a Moulvi type person giving me a bottle, old bottle with cork that sails in water etc. there was a ladder that goes high into the sky and the preacher or moulvi disappears in the sky. This give me ability to sense danger before something happens like sleep paralysis, activation of sixth sense and some spiritual stuff.

There was also a dream, seeing Indian nets flying lOw at night and going straight towards Paf base Faisal. I saw this dream 3 to 4 times and I always knew that full fledged war will start. I don’t know if it starts today or tomorrow or after years, but it will start and i sensed this danger that pakistan will lose chunk of their territory to india.

This is what happens when you become overconfident. We had 70 years to forge outstanding relations with china but our military kept busy in American camp and now Americans have completely abandoned us. I wanted a pact so that Chinese army can enter pakistan just like it helped North Korea etc. thing is clear. War is coming and we aren’t prepared. We are overconfident. We paid the price.

We have never focused on interceptors. Result is seen clearly. It’s pathetic. We have never tried to take back siachen. We are happy with nuclear weapons. Unfortunately nuclear weapons can’t save us. We don’t even have nuclear submarine, a clear edge to india etc. overall, it’s pathetic.

i dont like it but i would have to agree to it

 

[hussain0216]

Few experienced members aka mods have brought it out clearly that intercepting drones isn’t an easy task, even by most advanced militaries.
Fact that 12 (as claimed by ISPR) have been shot down, there is a possibility that atleast a few would have found their targets and done some meaningful damage.
It is unlikely that any side would accept any loss whatsoever at this stage of conflict. None wants that other side to be seen as stronger. It would come out later when dust settles down.

A retaliation by Paksiatn is most likely. That retaliation would now govern the course of action by India.

If launching of drones by India (if true) is an indication, that they are provoking the other side to take some decisive and visible action by launching strikes against targets in India. Unlike initial attacks the drone incursions are purely military in nature.

India doesn't want to wait for Pakistan to build up a big response

Especially after the IAFs humiliation

 

[Cesur]

From Indian drones intrusion, it seems dallas in PA high command have once again submitted to US pressure.

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This is old dude.

 

[Mobius]

India it seems to be deliberately escalating the situation. they want Pakistan to retaliate.

with these 12 drones down by Pakistan is a provocation. one

why they want to escalate, is the question right now.

just in ... people from Lahore informed they heard two bangs right now

It's because the b@stard state of Israel is pushing the Indians into war. They want to harm Pakistan to the last Indian, just like Ukraine is being used against Russia.
Pakistan should arm the blessed Yemeni and also pummel India into submission.
This B@stard state is also trying to drag the US into a confrontation with Iran which is next door. 4D chess being played behind the scenes. Regardless of that, Pakistan has one primary mission and that is to ruin India into submission. I hope they accomplish this.

 

[airwolf137]

Few experienced members aka mods have brought it out clearly that intercepting drones isn’t an easy task, even by most advanced militaries.
Fact that 12 (as claimed by ISPR) have been shot down, there is a possibility that atleast a few would have found their targets and done some meaningful damage.
It is unlikely that any side would accept any loss whatsoever at this stage of conflict. None wants that other side to be seen as stronger. It would come out later when dust settles down.

A retaliation by Paksiatn is most likely. That retaliation would now govern the course of action by India.

If launching of drones by India (if true) is an indication, that they are provoking the other side to take some decisive and visible action by launching strikes against targets in India. Unlike initial attacks the drone incursions are purely military in nature.

After missiles strikes, when india relased a statement that Operation Sindoor was done and that is was non escalatory in nature, why these drone strikes are being carried out If the objective of the operation was met,

Does it mean India had some ulterior motives?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

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[onlinpunit]

Few experienced members aka mods have brought it out clearly that intercepting drones isn’t an easy task, even by most advanced militaries.
Fact that 12 (as claimed by ISPR) have been shot down, there is a possibility that atleast a few would have found their targets and done some meaningful damage.
It is unlikely that any side would accept any loss whatsoever at this stage of conflict. None wants that other side to be seen as stronger. It would come out later when dust settles down.

A retaliation by Paksiatn is most likely. That retaliation would now govern the course of action by India.

If launching of drones by India (if true) is an indication, that they are provoking the other side to take some decisive and visible action by launching strikes against targets in India. Unlike initial attacks the drone incursions are purely military in nature.

But for what ? Does our leadership want to escalate it further towards a definite goal.? If we consider political optics they have achieved it 100%. Icing on top was the statment by Azhar Masood.
So politically they don't have any inventive for further escalation.

 

[vasanthm]

Pakistanis are happy they shot down Indian planes, Indians are happy they hit targets across the IB and created a new normal, everyone seems satisfied. Is this what a 'win-win' looks like in South Asia?

 

[Mobius]

India doesn't want to wait for Pakistan to build up a big response

Especially after the IAFs humiliation

Bro, we shouldn't have to "build" a big response. War planners should have pre-built responses already in place which should take 24-48 hours to put into action. The response needs to be swift as international pressure is building up.