PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Han Patriot]

Just admit it - these are the Elite PILOTs of the PAF that have made this possible. IT IS DUE TO PAF that J-10 has now finally got a brand name.Yes there is hardware and software. But all this is just Average without these pilots in them.
I can go as far as to say that even Chinese Pilots need to learn a lot from PAF strategies. Yes China has some very good toys - but their Pilots need a lot of real war training.

Bro i know your feeling. Of course Pak pilots are good. You are angry at the attacks, the deaths, but rest assured Pak will retaliate. Now is time to be calm, don't rush. Their recent drone attacks shows that they are afraid to use jets even from within their own borders. It is impossible to destroy small drones using SAMs. Pakistan could have easily swarm them with Chinese drones. So wait and see. We know 3 jets were confirmed downed recently,that's a big achievement but not big enough to repay the debt.

 

[Harbyharb]

ZDK-03 are sitting on the ground. I see the eloquent effort to do whatever is necessary to not give credit to the PAF - bravo.

Do you have any evidence that may suggest that the ZDK-03s were absent for these engagements? I am willing to learn more about this conflict.

And no, my intention is not to sell the PAF pilots short, quite the contrary. I’m simply allergic to the idea of singular equipments’ technical advantage, or the pilots’ individual prowess, would be able to sway the outcome of modern joint engagement battle space. What it takes is a institutional effort, long-term planning that produced a functional battle force across different units and different arms.

In the third world, that is much much harder to come by than a handful of skilled pilots and expensive aircraft.

 

[wanglaokan]

Keeping India deterred, disoriented, and discouraged, but keeping the peninsula stable is in China’s interest

Having India threatened, disadvantaged, desperate, and impulsive for an arms race, developing closer ties or even subservient (finally) to the US and giving the US another aspect to corner China is not

As if there isn’t enough F-35s around China already lmao

India is a big security threat to China by all means.

 

[majesticpug]

I think India will move to “attack and disrupt” attacks in the future. Massive numbers of small suicide UAVs or missile attacks, constantly hitting Pakistan and creating panic.

So, I would suggest Pakistan to consider more defense systems. For example, 625E, laser anti-UAV system, etc. Also more man-portable air defense missiles can be assigned to frontline soldiers.

Multi-layered air defenses against volume UAVs and missiles are the immediate need. The multi-layered air defenses' important task include protecting the PAF assets. Pakistan still needs another squadron of J10C regardless because the number of J10CP on hand is very minimal.

The need for J35 within 5 years is overkill since India will not be able to field F35 no earlier than 2030 (considering the number of countries waiting for F35 deliveries and that China is sanctioning materials needed to build F35s). During this time frame, China's and maybe some ME countries' needs of J35 are more urgent than Pakistan's. China should consider supplying the first overseas J35E to these ME countries to protect strategic interests.

 

[Harbyharb]

India is a big security threat to China by all means.

But it isn’t China’s biggest, most urgent, and most dangerous security threat is it?

India have its disputes with China, sure, but from a geopolitical standpoint, India’s own agenda have created many inconveniences for China’s only peer geopolitical rival, the United States, on issues like Ukraine, finance, cyber security (saar your computer have virus), trade, and influence. And as your sayings goes, the enemy of my enemy is, well, if not my friend, at least should die second.

As Mao puts it, the goal of diplomacy is to make a lot of friends and have few foes. India is a threat, a competitor, but not yet a rival or an enemy. It would be shrewd for the Chinese to approach the issue with patience and subtlety (as I believe they will given their track record)

 

[Michael]

Multi-layered air defenses against volume UAVs and missiles are the immediate need. The multi-layered air defenses' important task include protecting the PAF assets. Pakistan still needs another squadron of J10C regardless because the number of J10CP on hand is very minimal.

The need for J35 within 5 years is overkill since India will not be able to field F35 no earlier than 2030 (considering the number of countries waiting for F35 deliveries and that China is sanctioning materials needed to build F35s). During this time frame, China's and maybe some ME countries' needs of J35 are more urgent than Pakistan's. China should consider supplying the first overseas J35E to these ME countries to protect strategic interests.

The simplest logic is that Pakistan does not have enough money.
We can only use limited funds where they are most needed.

In terms of air combat systems, the PAF, with the help of China's intelligence system and strategic advisers, is currently able to cope with medium-scale offensive operations from the IAF. The IAF does not have enough courage to launch a full-scale offensive and send out all fighters. If the IAF really sends out all its fighters to carry out strike operations deep into Pakistani territory, then the PLAAF Western Theater Air Force will inevitably take corresponding actions.

However, Pakistan needs to deal with small and medium-scale suicide UAV or missile attacks on its own. Compared with fighters, these attacks are cheaper and more difficult to defend.

 

[liuzhengdong]

PAF F16 block 50/52 can fire AIM-120c, which range is 80-120 KM.

In the absence of system combat, AIM-120c, which range is 50-70 KM. In 2019, Indian fighter jets were lured into Pakistan and shot down.

 

[guangdongt]

But it isn’t China’s biggest, most urgent, and most dangerous security threat is it?

India have its disputes with China, sure, but from a geopolitical standpoint, India’s own agenda have created many inconveniences for China’s only peer geopolitical rival, the United States, on issues like Ukraine, finance, cyber security (saar your computer have virus), trade, and influence. And as your sayings goes, the enemy of my enemy is, well, if not my friend, at least should die second.

As Mao puts it, the goal of diplomacy is to make a lot of friends and have few foes. India is a threat, a competitor, but not yet a rival or an enemy. It would be shrewd for the Chinese to approach the issue with patience and subtlety (as I believe they will given their track record)

Hey buddy, India is not on the side of the United States. If Canada is replaced by India, how will the Trump administration face a neighboring country that is clearly expansionist and constantly harassing? India's goal is very clear, it wants to become a superpower, and the United States needs it to balance China. India is only constantly serving its own interests and values. Therefore, squeezing Pakistan is urgent, and its long-term goal is to replace China's commercial route, but it does not fundamentally conflict with the United States. India is very clear about what it wants. Americans like to regard the Chinese as competitors. To be honest, we are decoupling. In the future, we will become a more diverse regional world, constantly intertwined with each other. We are businessmen who have no interest in white circles and do not intend to integrate, but we will not tolerate India's continuous aggression and expansionism. India still hopes to replace China in business. We are not afraid of competition, nor do we want to see the economic corridors of South Asia and the Indian Ocean blocked. Any neighboring major country has a siphon effect, and there will never be a second America in the Americas where the United States is located

 

[wanglaokan]

Hey buddy, India is not by the side of the United States. If Canada were replaced by India, how would the Trump administration face a neighbor with obvious expansionism and constant harassment? India's goal is clear, it wants to become a superpower, while the United States needs it to balance China. India is only constantly serving its own interests and values. So it is so urgent to squeeze Pakistan, its long-term goal is to replace China's commercial route, it just doesn't fundamentally conflict with the United States. India is very clear about what it wants. Americans like to treat Chinese people as competitors. To be honest, we are decoupling from each other. In the future, we will be more diverse regional worlds, constantly intersecting with each other.We are businessmen who have no interest in white circles and do not intend to integrate, but we will not tolerate India's constant encroachment and expansionism, and we still want to replace China in business.We are not afraid of competition, nor do we want to see the economic corridor of South Asia and the Indian Ocean blocked. Any neighboring major country has a siphon effect, and there will never be a second America in the Americas where the United States is located

Indians are greedy for land and good at backstabbing , a big threat to China in the near future. I don't give a fck whether India is with USA or not, India is a rival with bad intention whose wild ambition needs to be contained.

 

[Oscar]

Do you have any evidence that may suggest that the ZDK-03s were absent for these engagements? I am willing to learn more about this conflict.

And no, my intention is not to sell the PAF pilots short, quite the contrary. I’m simply allergic to the idea of singular equipments’ technical advantage, or the pilots’ individual prowess, would be able to sway the outcome of modern joint engagement battle space. What it takes is a institutional effort, long-term planning that produced a functional battle force across different units and different arms.

In the third world, that is much much harder to come by than a handful of skilled pilots and expensive aircraft.

ZDK-03 has been second lined and effectively mothballed- one off is being considered for an upgrade. Other avenues of communication are available.

No individual was ever highlighted or indicated - just that PAF did this as an institution.

 

[wanglaokan]

ZDK-03 has been second lined and effectively mothballed- one off is being considered for an upgrade. Other avenues of communication are available.

No individual was ever highlighted or indicated - just that PAF did this as an institution.

so it is not retired as the other fellow said. I heard some of PAF ZDK03 were sent to China for upgrade..

 

[Oscar]

so it is not retired as the other fellow said. I heard some of PAF ZDK03 were sent to China for upgrade..

they are not in front line - potentially one airframe has been sent to China for upgrades that may include KJ-700 series systems.

 

[Hendarto]

Here is the latest on the air battle: apparently, it is a large-scale engagement involving 125 aircraft on both sides and a battle lasting 1 hour, so it is not a small-scale incursion. But curiously, it is a battle carried over a long distance with both sides lobbing BVR missiles within their border. It shows the maturity of the BVR missile. The day of the dog fight is dead forever

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[wanglaokan]

they are not in front line - potentially one airframe has been sent to China for upgrades that may include KJ-700 series systems.

hopefully we can see new AWACS base on C919 airframe in the future.

 

[muhammad.mehdi88]