Evidence : IAF Rafale Jet Shot Down

India has certainly lost 1 Rafale, but I have looked through this thread and cant see any major evidence for a 2nd. I can see evidence for Mirage 2K, SU30 and maybe a Mig29 (these last three fall out of the sky often by themselves mind you). If India has lost a second Rafale, then things will get toasty when they finally expose the Def Sec to a decent media forum.
 
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BBC Verify locates footage of crashed fighter jet​

Officials in Islamabad have claimed that Pakistani forces shot down five Indian fighter jets on Wednesday morning. India has so far declined to comment.

But BBC Verify has authenticated three videos all taken from what appears to be the same field and purport to show the wreckage of a French-manufactured Rafale fighter jet.

A field in Bathinda with wreckage of a French-manufactured Rafale fighter


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A field in Bathinda with wreckage of a French-manufactured Rafale fighter
In one clip - geolocated by BBC Verify to a field near the city of Bathinda in India's Punjab state - troops can be seen collecting debris from what experts suggest was the crashed jet.

We have also located two further clips from the same location filmed at night. One shows debris in the field, while another shows a projectile catching fire in the sky, and then fire in an open field.

Justin Crump, a former British Army Officer who runs the risk intelligence company Sibylline, told BBC Verify the wreckage appears to be a French air-to-air missile of a type used on both Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighter jets - both are operated by the Indian Air Force.

Another image circulating on social media shows a tail fin with “BS001” and “Rafale” on it. Google reverse image searches don’t show any old versions of the image.

In a press conference earlier today, Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri would not be drawn on whether any Indian jets had been brought down.

This post has been updated to include additional context and to reflect the Indian government’s position.
 
Now we have to take it upon us to restore the Rafale's honor and reputation :rolleyes:
How does the Greek Air Force justify it? Prove that your block70 can beat a block50?Prove that a Rafale can beat an F-4E?What's the point of such proof?
 
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How does the Greek Air Force justify it? Prove that your block70 can beat a block50?Prove that a Rafale can beat an F-4E?What's the point of such proof?
Justify what? The IAF losing a Rafale?
 
Justify what? The IAF losing a Rafale?
I think at the end of the day - Rafale operators will study this - and technically will ask Dassault what they have gleaned from Indian SPECTRA records that ensure other Rafale operators regardless of better or worse tactics can tackle the PL-15.

HAF flying the Rafale in its environment against a supposed PL-15 threat however would be a differrent situation vs India.

More importantly - what is not known is meteor presence or employment.
I would be pretty surprised if India after non stop gloating on Rafale + Meteor combo chose not to deploy it or worse chose to pick this engagement if they did not have Meteors delivered.
 
I think at the end of the day - Rafale operators will study this - and technically will ask Dassault what they have gleaned from Indian SPECTRA records that ensure other Rafale operators regardless of better or worse tactics can tackle the PL-15.

HAF flying the Rafale in its environment against a supposed PL-15 threat however would be a differrent situation vs India.

More importantly - what is not known is meteor presence or employment.
I would be pretty surprised if India after non stop gloating on Rafale + Meteor combo chose not to deploy it or worse chose to pick this engagement if they did not have Meteors delivered.
Geared for ground strikes?

But you'd still have some A2A capability...
 
I think at the end of the day - Rafale operators will study this - and technically will ask Dassault what they have gleaned from Indian SPECTRA records that ensure other Rafale operators regardless of better or worse tactics can tackle the PL-15.

HAF flying the Rafale in its environment against a supposed PL-15 threat however would be a differrent situation vs India.

More importantly - what is not known is meteor presence or employment.
I would be pretty surprised if India after non stop gloating on Rafale + Meteor combo chose not to deploy it or worse chose to pick this engagement if they did not have Meteors delivered.
Yes,you are right. And the French will probably want to rush the upgrade to F4
 

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