Evidence : IAF Rafale Jet Shot Down

SoulSpokesman said:
@Windjammer sb,

This was disclosed by Ishaq Daar during a press conference :

So, Dollar Dar is not only an authority on economics/finance but also on military matters.

Regards
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Well if surrender Narinder can be an expert on Radars and weather, why can't Daar just relay a number .
 
@Windjammer sb

Fair point. We rejected Modi's views on radars, we must reject DD's views on Rafaels too.

Regards
 
SoulSpokesman said:
@Windjammer sb

Fair point. We rejected Modi's views on radars, we must reject DD's views on Rafaels too.

Regards
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The difference is unlike Modi , Daar wasn't just shooting in the dark .
Remember he just didn't say another Indian aircraft but actually mentioned the type.
Alas it's not Daar but Dassault dilemma.
 
Windjammer said:
Folks the news coming out of New York is that India lost not 3 but 4 Rafale Jets.
This was disclosed by Ishaq Daar during a press conference :
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Can anything that Ishaq Daar say, be taken seriously at all, ever ?!?!? I am serious on this! PAF / ISPR should do an updated conference, rather than have these clowns running around saying things that contradict each other and actually undermine the official narrative.
 
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Pl15 completely intact in Indian hands

India claims the Pl15 was only available in limited numbers and both the j10 and missle was a no show on the 9th May when Indian struck deep into your big cities

The Indians will.now share technology of the pl15 and esrablish chinease fiction v reality

There is zero evidence of five six shot downs it's claimed propaganda you have shown no concrete evidence because there is none

The rafale played a massive role in sindoor firing over 50 Hammer and scalp cruise missiles in contrast Chinese technology was minor bar cheap drones which Indian Superb air defense handled easily
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Imagine believing Defence Matrix in the big 2025 🥀
 
krash said:
IMO, it's a bit moot at this point. The world has moved on and even during the thick of it did not pay more attention than India bombed -> Pakistan shot down aircraft -> Both launched missiles and drones. The residual interest was and is focused on the air battle for which the narrative was set within a few hours with pictorial and video evidence. The Indian focus is also mainly on denying or diminishing this narrative. The more serious interest would be from militaries and governments who will have other more accurate means of determining what happened.

I also don't believe that releasing pictures of the Indian losses from the 10th will achieve anything of substance either. The Indian and Pakistani establishments both know exactly what Pakistan meant to do, and if it did it or not. The general Indian population had it's MO decided before anything happened; deny -> bs -> deny -> produce claims/facts out of their behind -> pretend everything is peachy. Despite their own military's statements, pictorial/video evidence, and common sense, they are unable to accept any loss at all and have instead fabricated laughable claims. The idiotic arguments/counter-arguments that they are presenting, at least in my opinion, show that they are more at the textbook and perpetual Indian first stage of grief, instead of engaged in a systematic countering of the narrative. The Pakistani public has also reached its conclusion and is satisfied with it; India attacked -> We responded -> Ceasefire reached. The only purpose any further evidence will serve is allowing us Pakistanis online to rub it in more. Don't get me wrong, I want it...but I am also ok without it.
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Hi,

If the indian public does not know the depth, severity and intensity of the losses---then those losses mean NOTHING in the bigger picture---.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Can anything that Ishaq Daar say, be taken seriously at all, ever ?!?!? I am serious on this! PAF / ISPR should do an updated conference, rather than have these clowns running around saying things that contradict each other.
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It's not exactly Ishaq Daar's claim, Bilawal disclosing that actual numbers of IAF aircraft locked were 20, obviously the delegation was throughly briefed by concerned authorities.
It's highly unlikely that a delegation that's on a mission to expose Indian designs would be talking without substance.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

If the indian public does not know the depth, severity and intensity of the losses---then those losses mean NOTHING in the bigger picture---.
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According to Ibn-i Khaldun, the folks that really matter to take the strategic decisions and weather their ramifications are in the number of 10 to 40K. If they succeed the country succeeds. If they fail the country fails....
 
Windjammer said:
It's not exactly Ishaq Daar's claim, Bilawal disclosing that actual numbers of IAF aircraft locked were 20, obviously the delegation was throughly briefed by concerned authorities.
It's highly unlikely that a delegation that's on a mission to expose Indian designs would be talking without substance.
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The Pak Deep State doesn't allow them to pee or poop without its explicit permission while in such a strategic mission. Every word they utter IMO is chosen for them. This number 20 is a doctrinal mesaging to the powers that matter. In the jargon of the mafia: hey Boss, your henchman has failed to whack, send a better one next time.....
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

If the indian public does not know the depth, severity and intensity of the losses---then those losses mean NOTHING in the bigger picture---.
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Sir, Indian public are victims of their own propaganda, they aren't interested in knowing their own losses but keen to hear their leaders making ludicrous claims .
The latest dose of oxygen Indians have been given is that of all their aircraft, Tejas had a lock on a JF-17, but didn't fire due to some ROE,
Word is that PAF will reveal details at some point as realistically we are still in a conflict situation.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

If the indian public does not know the depth, severity and intensity of the losses---then those losses mean NOTHING in the bigger picture---.
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Oh they know. We see them squirming in every post, desperate for relief, even if through fantasy. Yet they will not admit any of it. They don't have the integrity or the heart to. The Indian general public will lap up whatever nonesense their government throws their way. If their government doesn't then they will create it themselves; loose screws, Sajajudin, F-16 engines, Nuclear leaks, Lahore Port.

For this exact reason the general Indian public is not a viable independent variable in our calculus. The Pakistani message goes to the Indian government and military who can whip their public, like a donkey, in any direction with the most idiotic of statements. The smart ones are drowned out.
 
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