Pakistan’s J-10C stuns India’s Rafale with electronic jamming

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan needs to launch these kind of kamikaze drones at Mumbai and Pune.

Or at least have the psychological impact reach these cities; kinetic or non-kinetically.

We have to be careful that India is trying to gode Pakistan into a major escalation that they can twist into saying Pakistan attacked Pakistan such that India has to send in their army.

We might need the help of a Chinese Carrier battle group to start doing exercises off the coast, and a couple hundred Chinese warplanes to arrive at the bases in Tibet to signal to the Indians not to escalate this any further.

Similar to what the French navy did in 2001/2002, with its carrier off the coast of Karachi.

 

[MH.Yang]

I really didn't think the Indians would use drones to attack civilians, that's an egregious act.
After this war is over, China should help Pakistan gain the ability to mass produce drones.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

They are also learning and improving with exposure to American and Pakistani pilots.

Pakistanis personnel have been dedicated and loyal to Arab countries. While the Indians have been voluntarily supplying information to Zionazi entity while working in the Arab states.

Everything normal in Karachi as my friend said. As usual Indians have consumed too much gobar and gaumutra and uttering falsehoods.

 

[muhammad.mehdi88]

I love how he grilled indian and indian media on lieing about Rafael drama

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[FuturePAF]

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An interesting distinction from the night. It was the largest air battle since world war 2. The largest air battle in 80 years.

The following commentator, if I’m not wrong, is an active duty US Army officer (Preston Stewart, a West Point grad).

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[Foinikas]

pathetic Rafale don't even have a proper AWACS to support it.

Sir,don't badmouth the Rafale. I'm tired of saying it.

Arabs lost a gazillion Mig-21s. Pakistanis in Mig-21s shot Israeli fighters.

 

[Foinikas]

A Greek's comment at an article about the Rafale incident. I'll use google translate:

Against a background of deficient aviation historical education, the surprise is expected.

The reception of Pakistan in Greece is that of the country of impoverished immigrants, who since the relevant immigration agreement of the Greek Dictatorship in 1973 with the Asian country and the then establishment of the first Pakistani colony in Greece in Eleusis (yes, the “nationalists” paved the way with an official interstate treaty for Pakistani immigration to Greece … obviously because their masters, shipowners and shipyard entrepreneurs, needed cheap labor, hence the place of first establishment …) have been flooding Greece.

This kindness of Greece to the impoverished country was reciprocated with military reinforcement of “Attila” in 1974 by Pakistan…

However, Pakistan has been among the absolute masters of air weapons since its inception.

There are certain “third world” countries that, since their independence, have placed enormous emphasis on air weapons (South Africa, Israel, Jordan, Pakistan, North Vietnam) and have reaped laurels on the battlefield for decades.

In 1965 the Pakistan Air Force swept the Indian Air Force without any significant losses. The MiG-21 was available to the latter in test numbers only, but there were seas of Canberra, Hunter, Mystere etc. The Pakistani F-86F Sabres swept them all (and the much superior Hunter!), the B-57B Canberra hit the Indian air bases without any problems, while the few F-104As really pinned down the Indian Air Force (even with OCA missions, with the M61s mowing down the parked Indian aircraft).

In 1971, India took revenge with a sweeping superiority of its air force in numbers and quality of types (seas of MiG-21FL, Su-7BMK, the local supersonic Marut, the super-maneuverable British Gnat / Ajeet and of course seas of Hunter & Canberra).

At the same time, and despite the wholehearted support of the American air escort in Karachi, the legendary Brigadier General Chuck Yeager, the US had completely abandoned Pakistan, with the B-57B & F-104A suffering from shortages of weapons, spare parts and necessary upgrades.

The few newly received Mirage IIIEs were used by Pakistan exclusively in strike missions, while the Chinese J-6s (MiG-19 with AIM-9) began in their old age, ten years after the type was withdrawn from the Greek Air Force, to write their history as the best air superiority fighter (except the Lightning of course…) of the pre-teen series era, prevailing over the Indian MiG-21 & Su-7, but with the weight of numbers determining the outcome.

From a certain point on, the basic Mirage III, J-6 & J-7 (MiG-21) types were maintained, manufactured and rebuilt locally, the J-7 & Mirage IIIs with excellent Italian pulse-doppler radars FIAR Grifo, Marconi HUD and AIM-9L.

With F-16As, the Pakistani Fizaya swept the Soviet VVS and its MiG-23MLDs on the Afghan border, without losses, easily repeating Israel's triumph over Syria in 1982 in Lebanon (but against the USSR!!).

The well-wishers of “Chinese superweapons” forget that TODAY Fizaya has F-16C/D Block 52+ Adv with AIM-120C5 AMRAAM, coordinated by the top Erieye!

Over time, Fizaya has been sending seasoned pilots (supposedly “mercenaries”, in reality based on interstate agreements) to the Sunni monarchies of the Gulf, and especially to the UAE, but only for French types (Mirage 2000-5/9 and Rafale), as the US does not allow Pakistanis to fly with the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon.

Pakistan gives these rich air forces what they lack (choice flying personnel) and receives fighters in return whenever it finds itself in a war (it happened in 1971 with the UAE's Mirage III/5 and the Jordanian F-104A).

I have an article in the works on the history of aircraft "loans" in the Middle East, but it will cost the Greeks sleep...

@Musings @Waz @RescueRanger @LeGenD @arjunk @PakAl @Dalit @Goenitz @PakFactor @Corax @r3alist @AlKardai @tman786 @FuturePAF @Oscar @arslank01 @TopGun786 @PakFactor @TAC @alphapak @Yasser76 @FarhanSiddiqui @pwfi @Master Chief @_NOBODY_ @Ali_Baba @panzerfaust 3 @Falcon26

 

[RescueRanger]

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[FarhanSiddiqui]

Indians

I love how he grilled indian and indian media on lieing about Rafael drama

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Indians are brainwashed to think that they are superior to Pakistan and they just would not believe the truth even if you put in front of them. They call it deep fake or propaganda. The Indians need to stop drinking gaumutra and Gobar smoothie.

 

[Oscar]

A Greek's comment at an article about the Rafale incident. I'll use google translate:

Against a background of deficient aviation historical education, the surprise is expected.

The reception of Pakistan in Greece is that of the country of impoverished immigrants, who since the relevant immigration agreement of the Greek Dictatorship in 1973 with the Asian country and the then establishment of the first Pakistani colony in Greece in Eleusis (yes, the “nationalists” paved the way with an official interstate treaty for Pakistani immigration to Greece … obviously because their masters, shipowners and shipyard entrepreneurs, needed cheap labor, hence the place of first establishment …) have been flooding Greece.

This kindness of Greece to the impoverished country was reciprocated with military reinforcement of “Attila” in 1974 by Pakistan…

However, Pakistan has been among the absolute masters of air weapons since its inception.

There are certain “third world” countries that, since their independence, have placed enormous emphasis on air weapons (South Africa, Israel, Jordan, Pakistan, North Vietnam) and have reaped laurels on the battlefield for decades.

In 1965 the Pakistan Air Force swept the Indian Air Force without any significant losses. The MiG-21 was available to the latter in test numbers only, but there were seas of Canberra, Hunter, Mystere etc. The Pakistani F-86F Sabres swept them all (and the much superior Hunter!), the B-57B Canberra hit the Indian air bases without any problems, while the few F-104As really pinned down the Indian Air Force (even with OCA missions, with the M61s mowing down the parked Indian aircraft).

In 1971, India took revenge with a sweeping superiority of its air force in numbers and quality of types (seas of MiG-21FL, Su-7BMK, the local supersonic Marut, the super-maneuverable British Gnat / Ajeet and of course seas of Hunter & Canberra).

At the same time, and despite the wholehearted support of the American air escort in Karachi, the legendary Brigadier General Chuck Yeager, the US had completely abandoned Pakistan, with the B-57B & F-104A suffering from shortages of weapons, spare parts and necessary upgrades.

The few newly received Mirage IIIEs were used by Pakistan exclusively in strike missions, while the Chinese J-6s (MiG-19 with AIM-9) began in their old age, ten years after the type was withdrawn from the Greek Air Force, to write their history as the best air superiority fighter (except the Lightning of course…) of the pre-teen series era, prevailing over the Indian MiG-21 & Su-7, but with the weight of numbers determining the outcome.

From a certain point on, the basic Mirage III, J-6 & J-7 (MiG-21) types were maintained, manufactured and rebuilt locally, the J-7 & Mirage IIIs with excellent Italian pulse-doppler radars FIAR Grifo, Marconi HUD and AIM-9L.

With F-16As, the Pakistani Fizaya swept the Soviet VVS and its MiG-23MLDs on the Afghan border, without losses, easily repeating Israel's triumph over Syria in 1982 in Lebanon (but against the USSR!!).

The well-wishers of “Chinese superweapons” forget that TODAY Fizaya has F-16C/D Block 52+ Adv with AIM-120C5 AMRAAM, coordinated by the top Erieye!

Over time, Fizaya has been sending seasoned pilots (supposedly “mercenaries”, in reality based on interstate agreements) to the Sunni monarchies of the Gulf, and especially to the UAE, but only for French types (Mirage 2000-5/9 and Rafale), as the US does not allow Pakistanis to fly with the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon.

Pakistan gives these rich air forces what they lack (choice flying personnel) and receives fighters in return whenever it finds itself in a war (it happened in 1971 with the UAE's Mirage III/5 and the Jordanian F-104A).

I have an article in the works on the history of aircraft "loans" in the Middle East, but it will cost the Greeks sleep...

@Musings @Waz @RescueRanger @LeGenD @arjunk @PakAl @Dalit @Goenitz @PakFactor @Corax @r3alist @AlKardai @tman786 @FuturePAF @Oscar @arslank01 @TopGun786 @PakFactor @TAC @alphapak @Yasser76 @FarhanSiddiqui @pwfi @Master Chief @_NOBODY_ @Ali_Baba @panzerfaust 3 @Falcon26

Depending on how soon this ends - and how heads of state in ME react to Pakistani not listening to them immediately and laying down arms... it is possible that HAF will have more time to learn from PAF in ME exercises on what worked in such an environment.

 

[PakFactor]

A Greek's comment at an article about the Rafale incident. I'll use google translate:

Against a background of deficient aviation historical education, the surprise is expected.

The reception of Pakistan in Greece is that of the country of impoverished immigrants, who since the relevant immigration agreement of the Greek Dictatorship in 1973 with the Asian country and the then establishment of the first Pakistani colony in Greece in Eleusis (yes, the “nationalists” paved the way with an official interstate treaty for Pakistani immigration to Greece … obviously because their masters, shipowners and shipyard entrepreneurs, needed cheap labor, hence the place of first establishment …) have been flooding Greece.

This kindness of Greece to the impoverished country was reciprocated with military reinforcement of “Attila” in 1974 by Pakistan…

However, Pakistan has been among the absolute masters of air weapons since its inception.

There are certain “third world” countries that, since their independence, have placed enormous emphasis on air weapons (South Africa, Israel, Jordan, Pakistan, North Vietnam) and have reaped laurels on the battlefield for decades.

In 1965 the Pakistan Air Force swept the Indian Air Force without any significant losses. The MiG-21 was available to the latter in test numbers only, but there were seas of Canberra, Hunter, Mystere etc. The Pakistani F-86F Sabres swept them all (and the much superior Hunter!), the B-57B Canberra hit the Indian air bases without any problems, while the few F-104As really pinned down the Indian Air Force (even with OCA missions, with the M61s mowing down the parked Indian aircraft).

In 1971, India took revenge with a sweeping superiority of its air force in numbers and quality of types (seas of MiG-21FL, Su-7BMK, the local supersonic Marut, the super-maneuverable British Gnat / Ajeet and of course seas of Hunter & Canberra).

At the same time, and despite the wholehearted support of the American air escort in Karachi, the legendary Brigadier General Chuck Yeager, the US had completely abandoned Pakistan, with the B-57B & F-104A suffering from shortages of weapons, spare parts and necessary upgrades.

The few newly received Mirage IIIEs were used by Pakistan exclusively in strike missions, while the Chinese J-6s (MiG-19 with AIM-9) began in their old age, ten years after the type was withdrawn from the Greek Air Force, to write their history as the best air superiority fighter (except the Lightning of course…) of the pre-teen series era, prevailing over the Indian MiG-21 & Su-7, but with the weight of numbers determining the outcome.

From a certain point on, the basic Mirage III, J-6 & J-7 (MiG-21) types were maintained, manufactured and rebuilt locally, the J-7 & Mirage IIIs with excellent Italian pulse-doppler radars FIAR Grifo, Marconi HUD and AIM-9L.

With F-16As, the Pakistani Fizaya swept the Soviet VVS and its MiG-23MLDs on the Afghan border, without losses, easily repeating Israel's triumph over Syria in 1982 in Lebanon (but against the USSR!!).

The well-wishers of “Chinese superweapons” forget that TODAY Fizaya has F-16C/D Block 52+ Adv with AIM-120C5 AMRAAM, coordinated by the top Erieye!

Over time, Fizaya has been sending seasoned pilots (supposedly “mercenaries”, in reality based on interstate agreements) to the Sunni monarchies of the Gulf, and especially to the UAE, but only for French types (Mirage 2000-5/9 and Rafale), as the US does not allow Pakistanis to fly with the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 Desert Falcon.

Pakistan gives these rich air forces what they lack (choice flying personnel) and receives fighters in return whenever it finds itself in a war (it happened in 1971 with the UAE's Mirage III/5 and the Jordanian F-104A).

I have an article in the works on the history of aircraft "loans" in the Middle East, but it will cost the Greeks sleep...

@Musings @Waz @RescueRanger @LeGenD @arjunk @PakAl @Dalit @Goenitz @PakFactor @Corax @r3alist @AlKardai @tman786 @FuturePAF @Oscar @arslank01 @TopGun786 @PakFactor @TAC @alphapak @Yasser76 @FarhanSiddiqui @pwfi @Master Chief @_NOBODY_ @Ali_Baba @panzerfaust 3 @Falcon26

Nice write-up!

I'm waiting for the other "Loans" article.

 

[PakFactor]

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I will back up @Foinikas as well.

 

[Foinikas]

Depending on how soon this ends - and how heads of state in ME react to Pakistani not listening to them immediately and laying down arms... it is possible that HAF will have more time to learn from PAF in ME exercises on what worked in such an environment.

I wish we had exercises together,but I think it's the whole Turkey-Pakistan thing that ruins everything. I don't really know if we've actually had exercises together ever!

 

[Foinikas]

Nice write-up!

I'm waiting for the other "Loans" article.

This guy is amazing. That comment was under the article about the incident from Ptisi (a famous greek defence site).

 

[muhammad.mehdi88]

Indians

Indians are brainwashed to think that are superior to Pakistan and they just would not believe the truth even if you put in front of them. They call it deep fake or propaganda. The Indians need to stop drinking gaumutra and Gobar smoothie.

well God forbid if they try to take on China they would have wiped out ..... but we will take time but the result wont be very different