Iranian Air Force (IRIAF/IRGC-ASF) | News and Discussions

[Comandante]

Jangavar
Looking at the YouTube channel Jangavar, they make claims in their videos that have no basis. Now the person knows something that no one else does, or is a liar. In the past, he used to publish completely factual things, but recently he has been putting together all kinds of made-up things. Now that the jasin and F5 programs are crashing, it would be better to stay quiet.

 

[LittleFish]

Now , with China and J35 as contender, we should put pressure on Russia for more transfer of technologies and better deal ...

I am predicting that Russians won't deliver any Su-35 till the west use JCPOA trigger mechanism and bring back all Security Council sanctions, so then Russians will use it as an excuse to cancel the deal and don't pay any penalty....

The russians simply played the old senile descion makers in tehran for n times ...

روس ها اونقدر این قضیه رو طول می دهند تا ببیند که آیا غربی ها از مکانیزم ماشه استفاده می کنند یا نه ، اگر کردند که روس ها به این بهانه عملا چیزی تحویل ایران نمی دهند و اگر نکردند ، دیگه خرید جنگنده از روس ها موضوعیت نداره و ایران می تونه از چین و حتی خود فرانسه جنگنده بخره !!

، عملا جمهوری اسلامی و تصمیم گیرانش به مدت 10 سال بازی روس ها رو خوردن و توی این 10 سال در نهایت 12 تا یاک تحویل داده شده و لا غیر !!!

China imported Su35 a decade ago, and the contract had no ToT items——we could find few advantages from Su35 except its shape and 117s engine. Its still uses PESA radars which are far behind our ASEA radars, even though Russians claimed it had a 400km detecting range, but everyone knows it was meaningless as it cannot be used to guide missiles. And Russia refused our request to replace Russian avionics with our own, so we only bought 24 Su35, because we just want to improve our J11, J16 and J15 with Su35 as a model, and spare Russians some order to support them considering their help for our aircraft industry.

Time goes by and today Russia has made little progress on avionics technologies, just see the awful performance of Russian jets in Ukraine War. Yes it is true there are still some technologies Iran want to get from Su35 like R77(maybe not much better than your Phoenix on F14), shape design, but nothing more.

That is story of our Su35, and we will no longer buy any Russian jets, even engines. In fact, we got quite a number of technologies of Flanker from Ukraine who was way more generous than Russia in such aspects, today there are still many Ukrainian experts working in China, so please don’t expect much for Russian’s ToT my Iranian friends. Now you even cannot expect Russia to deliver whole Su35 in years since it has to fill their inventory first to prepare further war against Ukraine and Europe.

 

[huanghong]

In fact, China is unlikely to sell the J-10A. The J-10A entered service in 2002, and most of them have only been in service for more than 10 years, which is a long way from the designed 6,000 hours and 30 years of service. In fact, China is upgrading more than 200 J-10As with the JKL-24aesa radar with a detection range of 260km and PL-15 and PL-10 missiles.

 

[OldTwilight]

In fact, China is unlikely to sell the J-10A. The J-10A entered service in 2002, and most of them have only been in service for more than 10 years, which is a long way from the designed 6,000 hours and 30 years of service. In fact, China is upgrading more than 200 J-10As with the JKL-24aesa radar with a detection range of 260km and PL-15 and PL-10 missiles.
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old guys and some Iranians who can not accept the fact that china become world power house are to blame .... keeping our air force at 1970s era ....

I remember that I myself suggested we should go and ask China for TOT of j10 or at least JF17 because china want to exports them and because their limited range of these aircrafts , others won't make much opposition about it .... ( I'm software engineer and I could understand the Chinese growth in electronics fields )

but these idiots just want to have supper long range fighters kike su-30 and su-35 which are ( were ) bigger name ....

we need at least 120-150 fighter jet in JF17/J10c class to replace our f5, jf7 , mirage f1 ....

now days some idiots just talking about buying fighter from USA after making some deal with them .... I don't know what kind of drug they are using .... their mentality is just like naive teen ager girl who ended up ass fu*""ked by the thug ....

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

old guys and some Iranians who can not accept the fact that china become world power house are to blame .... keeping our air force at 1970s era ....

It is normal, the world is evolving fast, and most people's cognition cannot follow up the current event.

There are even many pro-west Chinese who still refuse to believe that his/her motherland has already surpassed the west.

 

[PakAl]

Russia is never going to deliver Su-35s, no one bought MiG-35, and Egypt which operates M2 itself bought J-10Cs. We have seen how important radars and missiles are with J-10 shooting down Rafales, the best 4th generation aircraft in western inventories. There is no excuse in purchasing inferior Russian aircraft. If it takes years of training to adjust for J-10 and JF-17, then they better start today.

Pak/India situation proved the first line of defence is airforce, this is why it's very important to have a lethal airforce. Iran must 100% go for the J10s, it's a lethal plane with cutting edge weaponary, if Iran wants to add its own weaponary on the plane then they must go for the Jf17s, they can produce own parts, add own missiles etc. I personally want Iran to buy atleast 100 Jf17 block 3s, it's the best cost effective plane, Iran can add own missiles on it without restrictions, produce parts etc

 

[PakAl]

old guys and some Iranians who can not accept the fact that china become world power house are to blame .... keeping our air force at 1970s era ....

I remember that I myself suggested we should go and ask China for TOT of j10 or at least JF17 because china want to exports them and because their limited range of these aircrafts , others won't make much opposition about it .... ( I'm software engineer and I could understand the Chinese growth in electronics fields )

but these idiots just want to have supper long range fighters kike su-30 and su-35 which are ( were ) bigger name ....

we need at least 120-150 fighter jet in JF17/J10c class to replace our f5, jf7 , mirage f1 ....

now days some idiots just talking about buying fighter from USA after making some deal with them .... I don't know what kind of drug they are using .... their mentality is just like naive teen ager girl who ended up ass fu*""ked by the thug ....

J10C will not be given with transfer of technology. Only Jf17 block 3 is available for that.

 

[Michael]

old guys and some Iranians who can not accept the fact that china become world power house are to blame .... keeping our air force at 1970s era ....

I remember that I myself suggested we should go and ask China for TOT of j10 or at least JF17 because china want to exports them and because their limited range of these aircrafts , others won't make much opposition about it .... ( I'm software engineer and I could understand the Chinese growth in electronics fields )

but these idiots just want to have supper long range fighters kike su-30 and su-35 which are ( were ) bigger name ....

we need at least 120-150 fighter jet in JF17/J10c class to replace our f5, jf7 , mirage f1 ....

now days some idiots just talking about buying fighter from USA after making some deal with them .... I don't know what kind of drug they are using .... their mentality is just like naive teen ager girl who ended up ass fu*""ked by the thug ....

We cannot criticize or praise one product in general.

The Sukhoi series of fighter jets, with its globally recognized aerodynamic exterior design. Their air maneuverability remains a global leader to this day. Their oversized payload capacity and ultra-long range are excellent.

However, times have changed. Russia's own extremely backward electronics industry has resulted in the Sukhoi series of fighters being completely out of date.

It reminds me of Nokia and Motorola cell phones. A few decades ago, their industrial design capabilities were the pinnacle of their time. Many of their products are perfectly designed even today.
However, times are different. This doomed them to decline.

As a friend mentioned earlier. Su-35 + new age avionics is today's Chinese ace fighter J-16.

 

[FHN]

The J-16 is better than the J10-c, but the J-16 was developed based on Russian aircraft and there is an agreement between China and Russia that J-16 cannot be exported.Chinese flankers (J-15B and J-16) have the best avionics, radars, composite materials and multirole capabilities of all flankers

 

[muhammed45]

old guys and some Iranians who can not accept the fact that china become world power house are to blame .... keeping our air force at 1970s era ....

I remember that I myself suggested we should go and ask China for TOT of j10 or at least JF17 because china want to exports them and because their limited range of these aircrafts , others won't make much opposition about it .... ( I'm software engineer and I could understand the Chinese growth in electronics fields )

but these idiots just want to have supper long range fighters kike su-30 and su-35 which are ( were ) bigger name ....

we need at least 120-150 fighter jet in JF17/J10c class to replace our f5, jf7 , mirage f1 ....

now days some idiots just talking about buying fighter from USA after making some deal with them .... I don't know what kind of drug they are using .... their mentality is just like naive teen ager girl who ended up ass fu*""ked by the thug ....

J-10 is not a bad platform. Its a good investment but for who and against who?

We have latest versions of F-16, F-15 and F-35 in the hands of our enemies. Can J-10 defeat them in the air? Obviously not, when it comes to F-35 even their class of fighters is different.

Against India, its a suitable choice. Zero distance from the borders, weak and corrupt leadership of IAF that buys after bribes. India is just buying and buying and buying without thinking about the maintenance issues. And also Chinese avionics is superior to that of Israel. SU-30 of IAF is upgraded with Indian Package, guess the rest. Rafales were also defeated thanks to Professional personnel of PAF and Chinese avionics.

We know that we cannot take on USAF in the air in the near future hence investing in asymmetric warfare. Israel is a different stroy, it lacks strategic depth. So what we need most, is range and durability of a jet. A fighter jet that can protect our defense network against incoming low altitude projectiles.

We need a fighter in the class of SU-30 or 35. Or a local jet, even if inferior to its foreign counterparts, it can be reliable given its easy production, easy upgradation and cost effective maintenance.

 

[muhammed45]

The J-16 is better than the J10-c, but the J-16 was developed based on Russian aircraft and there is an agreement between China and Russia that J-16 cannot be exported.Chinese flankers (J-15B and J-16) have the best avionics, radars, composite materials and multirole capabilities of all flankers

Agreed. Guess what, they are not for sale.

 

[FHN]

Iran should buy J-10C, KJ-500 AEW&C and Y-9LG ELINT/SIGINT platforms.

 

[FHN]

When a country buys J10C or J-35, they also get to train w/ PLAAF, learn from latest tactics, see how China integrates its air defense & access China' intelligence including satellite network.

 

[UberShock]

J-10 is not a bad platform. Its a good investment but for who and against who?

We have latest versions of F-16, F-15 and F-35 in the hands of our enemies. Can J-10 defeat them in the air? Obviously not, when it comes to F-35 even their class of fighters is different.

Against India, its a suitable choice. Zero distance from the borders, weak and corrupt leadership of IAF that buys after bribes. India is just buying and buying and buying without thinking about the maintenance issues. And also Chinese avionics is superior to that of Israel. SU-30 of IAF is upgraded with Indian Package, guess the rest. Rafales were also defeated thanks to Professional personnel of PAF and Chinese avionics.

We know that we cannot take on USAF in the air in the near future hence investing in asymmetric warfare. Israel is a different stroy, it lacks strategic depth. So what we need most, is range and durability of a jet. A fighter jet that can protect our defense network against incoming low altitude projectiles.

We need a fighter in the class of SU-30 or 35. Or a local jet, even if inferior to its foreign counterparts, it can be reliable given its easy production, easy upgradation and cost effective maintenance.

According to you logic , you shouldn't buy j-10c but you can purchase su-35/su-30. Doesn't su -35 also have zero chance against 5-gen fighters? What is point? As we know su 35/su-30 has worse avionics and radar. If i decide to buy a fighters for iran my choice would be jf-17/j-10 for a start.

 

[FHN]

J-10C GaN 1300T/R
Rafale RBE 838 T/R
J-10C's radar Longer range and lower noise due to GaN.
Tilted antenna, Lower Frontal RCS on J-10C. RBE not tilted.
U don't lose 5 jets to an inferior enemy jet while u urself getting zero kills
J10C works