PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[majesticpug]

The range of PL-15 is 200km to 300km, this is because different planes, different altitudes, different speeds, the range of PL-15 they fire is different. the range of PL-15 of J-20 is definitely more than that of J-10C, and J-10C's is definitely more than that of JF-17.

the H-6 is the another track player, and just as a reminder, the H-6 is capable of firing the DF-21D.

I heard from one Pakistan source saying the longest hit was 190km made by a J10C. PAF along with J10C and PL15 made history by a large margin.

That aside, your post actually added to my point of saying not all shooters are equal in this new aerial warfare. J10C is the best shooter in PAF's current squad and this cannot be handed to JF17 and certainly to F7.

 

[blueboy7862]

With the JF-17, J-10 and soon to arrive J-35 PAF should sell off its F-16, maybe to another country already operating it or back to the USA and reinvest the funds in these latest aircrafts. F-16 although a very good platform has too many strings attached and if they cannot be used against India what's the use for them.

Not going to happen. PAF will never sell it's F-16s to any country until it retires itself from active duty. There are many other roles to play in the AF besides air-superiority. e.g
reconnaissance, EW .

 

[Fatman17]

Locations of downed Indian aircrafts disclosed by security sources

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[Fatman17]

How indigenous technology helped PAF down Rafale

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[Pakistan Space Agency]

This is what matters.

As the PAF retires the Mirages and F-7PGs, only the F-16 and possibly the Erieyes will be the systems out of the loop. A data relay is probably used between these aircraft and the rest of the fleet.

It's May 2025. When exactly are the PAF Mirages expected to retire in large numbers?

Are they going to be replaced by the JF-17 Thunder Block 3s, PFX or the J-10Cs or just a combination of Thunders, PFX and J-10Cs?

 

[SABRE]

It's May 2025. When exactly are the PAF Mirages expected to retire in large numbers?

Are they going to be replaced by the JF-17 Thunder Block 3s, PFX or the J-10Cs or just a combination of Thunders, PFX and J-10Cs?

They can be useful for bombing runs or ground attack missions requiring crossing the LOC or int. border, especially during high intensity conflict. PAF has clearly defined roles and missions for Mirages and F-7PG but if those missions are losing relevance in 21st century warfare or other means are now available for those missions these aircraft will retire soon, perhaps five more years or so.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

They can be useful for bombing runs or ground attack missions requiring crossing the LOC or int. border, especially during high intensity conflict. PAF has clearly defined roles and missions for Mirages and F-7PG but if those missions are losing relevance in 21st century warfare or other means are now available for those missions these aircraft will retire soon, perhaps five more years or so.

Pakistan Air Force is flying French built Mirage fighters that were first acquired from 1967 onwards. It's 2025 now!

Is gandehri ko aur kitna choosna hai?

 

[FuturePAF]

I have always emphasized that what really played a key role in this Indo-Pak air war was the integrated air intelligence and command system behind it.

People usually grossly ignore the coordination and tactical setup between all the players of the entire team and focus only on the goal scorers.

The F-16 is globally recognized as an excellent fighter. But that excellence is based on the product of the times. This Indo-Pak air war has proved to the world that that traditional model of fighter air combat is outdated. In the future, it is bound to be the era of systematic air combat.

I agree that PAF should keep the F-16s for political purposes, but there is no need to spend more money to upgrade them (PAF has very limited funds). These F-16s don't fit fully into PAF's current integrated air intelligence and command coordination. They can only perform some independent day-to-day missions.
It's like this: a team that has a large number of first-rate players on its own, but which also has a second-rate foreign player who doesn't speak the language. Can you imagine how they directly could work seamlessly together?

A modest Turkish upgrade to 36 of the best air frames should keep an important capability in the force, for political and exercise purposes. It might be a couple squadrons out of the larger team effort, but sometimes you need a plane that has a different kind of psychological messaging in your inventory.

The Ozgur upgrade for 79 F-16s is set to cost $6.5-7 Billion; or about $82.3-88.6 million per plane.

You are right that it is a high cost, and will give the PAF pause as to what level of an upgrade they are able to afford.

For the price of that upgrade the PAF could buy 2 J-10s or probably a J-35A with money to spare for munitions or spares.

Turkey Drops Imported Modernization Kits for F-16s Over ‘Cheaper’ Domestic Program

Turkey will drop the plan to purchase 79 modernization kits for its F-16s and pursue a national upgrade program with Turkish Aerospace Industries. This

theaviationist.com

 

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[ghazi52]

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[gamaji]

A modest Turkish upgrade to 36 of the best air frames should keep an important capability in the force, for political and exercise purposes. It might be a couple squadrons out of the larger team effort, but sometimes you need a plane that has a different kind of psychological messaging in your inventory.

The Ozgur upgrade for 79 F-16s is set to cost $6.5-7 Billion; or about $82.3-88.6 million per plane.

You are right that it is a high cost, and will give the PAF pause as to what level of an upgrade they are able to afford.

For the price of that upgrade the PAF could buy 2 J-10s or probably a J-35A with money to spare for munitions or spares.

Turkey Drops Imported Modernization Kits for F-16s Over ‘Cheaper’ Domestic Program

Turkey will drop the plan to purchase 79 modernization kits for its F-16s and pursue a national upgrade program with Turkish Aerospace Industries. This

theaviationist.com

Vow, the Ozgur upgrade for 79 F-16s is set to cost $6.5-7 Billion; or about $82.3-88.6 million per plane!
The question is what additional capabilities this upgrade will bring to Pakistan that PAF doesn't already have?
I think the best that we can get from our F-16s is to use them in the secondary/defensive roles until all their juice is extracted. At the end, let them become a part of different air museums.

If Pakistan is reportedly getting J-10CP for US$35m, I am sure Pakistan might be getting J-35 5th gen plane for much less than the upgrade price of $82.3-88.6 million per F-16 plane.

 

[Ali_Baba]

A modest Turkish upgrade to 36 of the best air frames should keep an important capability in the force, for political and exercise purposes. It might be a couple squadrons out of the larger team effort, but sometimes you need a plane that has a different kind of psychological messaging in your inventory.

The Ozgur upgrade for 79 F-16s is set to cost $6.5-7 Billion; or about $82.3-88.6 million per plane.

You are right that it is a high cost, and will give the PAF pause as to what level of an upgrade they are able to afford.

For the price of that upgrade the PAF could buy 2 J-10s or probably a J-35A with money to spare for munitions or spares.

Turkey Drops Imported Modernization Kits for F-16s Over ‘Cheaper’ Domestic Program

Turkey will drop the plan to purchase 79 modernization kits for its F-16s and pursue a national upgrade program with Turkish Aerospace Industries. This

theaviationist.com

Wow, Ozgur is expensive! I can’t see PAF wanting or having that kind of money to spend on an upgrade. Look at the loan financing it has todo to just buy the j10ce!

 

[MastanKhan]

Very little has been discussed about the performance of Chinese jet engines in the recent conflict. Over of the years, thousands of posts relentlessly have criticized Chinese engine technology as unreliable and unsuitable—especially for single-engine fighters. Yet the recent conflict has decisively challenged that narrative. The J-10C, a single-engine fighter powered by a domestically produced engine, has performed impressively in combat. Its success in real-world air warfare has been so clear that the usual concerns about engine reliability have all but disappeared from the conversation.
@MastanKhan

Hi,

Yes indeed---all those claims of low thrust to weight ratio---chinese reliability---inferior russian product have been obliterated in the first few seconds of the combat---slow turning---and all those combat scenarios on the DCS world---they were just a joke---.

I believe if those guys had read something on the subject matter even 25-30 years ago---they would not have made those claims---.

WVR was obsolete 30 + years ago---dogfights 40 years ago---.

Even though the pilots trained for dogfights and wvr---the US had already estbd. 30 years ago that shoot and scoot would be the go word---.

All those claiming JF17 cannot do 9 g's did not understand that by the time it registered on the brain that a bvr missile was incoming @high velocity---it may not have the time to react.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

It will take the west a few days to admit freely that the pakistanis and the chinese had them litsening to their lullaby that put them to sleep---.

The surprise of the deal would be that possibly the swedes knew what the Paks were upto and they kept selling them the eireyes---peaceful that they might be---but who does not want their product to be the central piece of operation of that has spun the all the air forces around the world---.

So---kudos to the swedes---.

The crux of the matter here is, IMHO, what type of wireless communication the PAF has put forth during this ops? Looks like it's so unique (in all aspects) and secured that the West has failed to hack or jam it. Hence, long-haul silent kills that have taken the West by total surprise. If controlled by sat the sky is the limit for the distance. Note that Rafales are designated to carry nukes on behalf of the Western Europe. Everybody's back on the drawing board. It's the time to panic.....

The PAF has reversed the time for the West and advanced the time for China. It's the most worrisome matter....

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I can't believe Christine Fair is claiming pakistan as victorious and calling the indian claims as " bakwas ".

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