Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[maverick]

@Meengla sb,

and even in Pak/BD vocational training centers can bring up replacements.

Good point as always. But setting up vocational training centers etc cost money. But with my dear friend @maverick sb putting a wish list of USD 22.5 billion p.a. (which Pak doesnt have in any case) on arms and military training, that money may not be readily available.

Regards

Janab, i am a macroeconomics person, who is a harvard business grade, i do not throw things out without comprehensive analysis based on various models which are driven by assumptions..
What i see is most of the strategic planners cannot see unfortunately, even sitting in military operations of Pakistan army…
Not on a high horse, but i am telling you that it is doable based on various analysis i have done on Pakistani resources and economic outlook..
Now you need a leader who can take the nation to war, which i cant help with

 

[El Sidd]

No - but what he has good valid points that are worth listening too. I have seen most of his videos over the last few years. He reads the strategic tangle that India is in right now, perfectly.

Lol

As you can imagine, I don't agree with your logic. There are good Indians and there are bad Indians. The world is not as simple as you make it out to be.

As you can imagine, you are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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Another good one even though this Sawhney is tilted towards India but I must say sawhneys are the sanest people in India migrated from Pakistan.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Ayodhya was settled by the Supreme Court on the issue of public belief and sentiments, not on legal jurisprudence.
Yes, that probably played a large part, or maybe it was entirely that. Jo bhi hai, mamla is sorta behind us now.. we should all move on.

Babri Masjid was not the only mosque demolished. Thousands of new mosques have been demolished all over the country either through so-called communal riots or bulldozed by the government as "punishment ".

Illegal encroachments waale religious structures are being demolished, mosques aren't being singled out. Mostly temples that are being razed, some dating back to a 100+ years or more. Its an urban planning thing for the most part, I don't suspect it to be some kind of fascist Hindutva conspiracy to hurt the minorities but there have been documented instances of people defiling places of worship.

Holi pe rang fek dete hain masjidon ki walls pe, sometimes you hear of people leaving raw meat at Temples.. jahils.

Could you remind me again of which Hindu temple has been demolished as part of illegal encroachment? True, some Jain temples have been demolished. Jains have officially registered themselves as a minority with the Government of India and no longer identify as Sanatani.

 

[ety]

Hey buddy, everything you're saying doesn't make sense at all. India's dream is to break through South Asia and find a foothold in the world for its vast population. Their country will try to challenge China throughout its entire lifecycle, don't think that the United States will not know about using India. India knows that they exploit each other. National competition is inherently the law of the jungle, and the Confucian philosophy of East Asia is inherently extremely hypocritical. Look at Japan/South Korea, which country in East Asia deeply believes in friendship? On the contrary, the brutal wars in East Asia are incomparable to those in South Asia. The deaths of tens of millions of people in our region are the result of fire and bloodshed，Talking about friendship and peace with Indians is like playing the qin to a cow. They only believe that the fist is the truth.

Japan the most brutal trouble maker in Eastern Asia Confucian sphere was/is only an incomplete Confucian society. They only worship such Confucian values such as courage, loyalty and knowledge but chose to discard other prominent ones such as humane benevolence(仁). They are only incomplete Confucians.

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist

Re: Your last post

Why do you have to be a realist?

Regards

Good to see you around, why do you never ever press the reply button sir

Also, my forum username I find a bit lame these days, I must have chosen it in haste a long time ago

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@maverick sb

Now you need a leader who can take the nation to war, which i can't help with

I suppose the one who could, is cooling his heels in Adiala jail?

Regards

 

[Foinikas]

"French can't make good aircraft" narration

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@r3alist bro,

I owe you an explanation. Using the reply button often brings in lots of text which are of little relevance. So, I am more comfortable with my style.

Had been on a thread ban, but @RescueRanger sb and other moderators have been kind enough to rescind it.

Regards

 

[r3alist]

"French can't make good aircraft" narration

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The jubilation over the rafels I really fear might backfire and become a jinx, possibly

Not to sound disparaging, but it was after all non-western pilots, and therefore we did not truly probably see the optimal utilization of tactics and the aircrafts ability which PAF had to confront

By the laws of probability, over time India might well eventually get things right or better, in which case Pakistan had better be sure to still remain with a clear tactical, operational and technological edge

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You just said Pakistan and China not releasing satellite images is part of the ceasefire agreement!! When no one has seen the ceasefire agreement, let alone someone like you. How is that not making up bs?! Just because the Indians have banned independent sat image providers, that doesn't stop Pak or China from releasing their own images.

No one on this forum knows why they haven't. It's the same bs about "not wanting to humiliate India", as if the Chinese and Pakistanis have ever given a shit about hurting the feelings of blood Indians!

Like I said, stop making up bs by jumping to conclusions and relating correlation with causation...that's the most simplest of fallacies anyone can make.

listen dude, i have had enough of your bullshit.


honestly, if you were shown, even zero covariance, you would still call it independent! enough said!!!

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist bro,

I owe you an explanation. Using the reply button often brings in lots of text which are of little relevance. So, I am more comfortable with my style.

Had been on a thread ban, but @RescueRanger sb and other moderators have been kind enough to rescind it.

Regards

Ok, I think I understand. I just assume it was part of your forum persona

 

[Meengla]

I think these days, this sort of attitude will not take Pakistan very far with the gulf Arabs.
The gulf Arabs, fundamentally are invested into the Western system, the west is also invested into India, therefore there is a mutual mutual association of interests
Furthermore, the Arabs seem intent on rent seeking from the economic prosperity of the West and other growth engines to secure their own futures, and India is a significant part of that portfolio, therefore in return they will have to accommodate Indian workers.
Finally, the Arabs are not really interested in notions of Islamic or Muslim favouriteism, in fact it's not just hard business but also a business that is not disruptive to their internal stability. Pakistan, after all is willing to go very strategically deep with turkey, which is a rival to the Saudis, why should the Saudis listen to Pakistani concerns?
These days, the economic connection of the gulf Nations to Pakistan is used to influence Pakistan and leverage over it. Over time, the ultimate answer is and always has been to develop your own internal market and diversify

Bolded part. I told the reality as it is. Unless flaws are identified, they can't be addressed. So, yes, credit to be given to the Indian educational system and that should only motivate Pakistan to better its own situation.
As for the 'favoritism' part: The ruling class of the GCC is one thing, but the street of the Arab world is another and they may exert themselves one day to formulate policies favorable to Pakistan; they are Pakistan's natural allies and vice versa. Maybe the Gaza conflict is going to lead to an awareness about who Indians truly are.
As to your Turkey-Pakistan connection vs the Arab world: I don't see any bearing on the Pakistani workforce going to the Arab world.
Bottomline: Pakistan should up its game. No other way but until that game is up, at least start working on making Pakistan the choice for the labor/workers in parts of the world like the Arab world, at least start raising awareness. As someone pointed out above: The Indian labor in GCC is not a permanent presence and they could be--and should be--bumped off.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Could you remind me again of which Hindu temple has been demolished as part of illegal encroachment? True, some Jain temples have been demolished. Jains have officially registered themselves as a minority with the Government of India and no longer identify as Sanatani.

Demolition near Somnath Temple: Compound wall should be of 5-6 feet, SC tells Gujarat

The observations came from a bench of Justices B R Gavai and Augustine George Masih which was informed by the state that they were constructing a compound wall to prevent encroachment.

www.deccanherald.com

Nearly 50-year-old temples demolished to restore Mambalam canal's water flow

For the past 48 years, the two temples - Renuka Parameswari Amman temple and Vinayagar temple – remained on the canal, constricting the waterbody. The canal passes through Thyagaraya Road and VK...

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Delhi High Court Dismisses Plea Against Demolition of Illegally Built Temple on DDA Land - Law Trend

The Delhi High Court has ruled against a plea to prevent the demolition of a religious structure built without authorization on DDA-owned land, marking a

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SC upholds Delhi High Court order of demolition of Shiva temple encroaching on Yamuna floodplains

Lord Shiva would be happier if the Yamuna riverbed and floodplains were cleared of all encroachments and unauthorised construction, the Delhi High Court had said earlier.

www.deccanherald.com

Demolition of Historic Ravidas Temple, Chamarwal Johar in New Delhi

Ram Dayal Ahirwar Guru Ravidas needs no introduction. He is a well-known figure, who took birth in 15th century in Varanasi to parents working in leather processing. In modern India, Ravidas is revered by the Ravidasia community for the virtues he possessed. His denouncement of the brahmanical...

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this is just from a quick google, there's more.

very common around here to demolish illegal structures, churches, mosques, gurudwaras.. doesn't matter.

 

[hussain0216]

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This is partly why I'm getting sick and tired of the PTI

I like I.K, he always did his best for Pakistan and I hope he gets out and lives his life in peace

But the PTI is simply not fit to be anywhere near power in Pakistan, I think the state was right to put it's foot down, these people are dangerous for the country in this form and outside of IK, none of them are trustworthy

We desperately need a new political system, our parties are rubbish with the same faces for decades on end


Democracy isn't right for Pakistan, the politicians are poor, the parties and rubbish and the population are easily led idiots

We need a China type system to bring gradual order and change



Democracy would have destroyed China and allowed it's enemies to control the country and people through lackeys
It's only the one state Chinese system that China was able to achieve what it has

It's the same for Pakistan