POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[TallGuy]

target calcutta, their call center hub n shut down their call center industry.........in war, the loss is on both sides

sir, that would not require kinectic op - it will be a soft kill

 

[TallGuy]

Order of BATTLE 6-7 May 2025

I am not including Support aircraft

PAF employed
16 x J10CE
26 x JF17 Thunder Block III

Total: 42 aircraft

IAF employed
14 x Rafale
42 x Su-30MKI
10 x Mirage 2000
4 x MiG-29UPG
1 x IAI Heron TP

Total: 70 aircraft and 1 x IAI Heron TP drone

 

[WhispersFromThePast]

Apparently, this is a montage of our strikes:

I prefer to give credit where credit is due but I was loathe to share this link because I don’t really agree with his analysis, specifically the insistence that S-400 was destroyed and that Beas facility had ‘thousands of Brahmos’ which were destroyed. Even our official slide says the components vanished or were destroyed. Every possibility exits they were able to escape. And if we targeted the facility that had been firing hundreds of salvos at us, the facility would be EMPTY. Although it would be interesting if the fire turns out to be depleted Uranium fire. Anyway, here’s the link:

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[Aziqbal]

btw people miss that India fired over 50 x BVR missiles according to the ex Air Marshal

none of them hit their targets

Pakistan must have used some very good jamming

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Doesn't admit about S400 but what else was damaged in Adampur? lol

 

[nahtanbob]

And that neighbour got a good telling off for doing that - but they are not a nuclear power at the moment. But India and Pakistan are nuclear powers

Iran is a much more powerful and independent entity than Pakistan. It has been that way for past few decades. It will be that way for the next couple of decades

 

[Sam6536]

And that neighbour got a good telling off for doing that - but they are not a nuclear power at the moment. But India and Pakistan are nuclear powers - it's all a topi drama from the Nazi inspired RSS BJP group. Recklessness on a whole new scale ..trying to set a bullshit new norm if fighting under a nuclear umbrella. It's doesn't work - both sides have miraculously escaped from the nut job) war mongers...I'll be the masses that will suffer.

Just note, that after the fog dissipates and more information is given - the Pakistani retaliation resulted in Indians quicky going for a back door ceasefire, realising that this could result in a nuclear exchange. So what norm did they established....aah we can attack a nuclear state.....and.....that they can bitch slap us back....what is the norm established? Nothing more than starting on a higher escalation ladder.

I personally don't think anything will happen for the foreseeable future except for an increase in support for terrorist groups in Pakistan (which too will fail). The whole bone of contention has been the Kashmir issue from the beginning - it has to be resolved peacefully.

The BJP and it's bullshit media brigade have caused considerable damage to the unity of India itself - the people of India need to wake up and remove these scumbags. Fragmentation under the BJP is very high:

Major Insurgencies in India

1. Northeast India: This region has seen multiple insurgencies, including those by groups like the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA), National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), and various factions in Manipur.

2. Naxalite-Maoist Insurgency: Active primarily in central and eastern India, this insurgency involves Maoist groups fighting against the Indian government, seeking to establish a communist state.

3. Kashmir Insurgency: This ongoing conflict involves various militant groups and has led to significant violence and unrest in the region. Since 1989, the Kashmir region has experienced insurgency movements, with various groups seeking independence or merger with Pakistan.

4. Punjab Insurgency: In the 1980s and early 1990s, Punjab faced insurgency led by Sikh separatists demanding an independent state called Khalistan.

5. Insurgency in Central India: The Naxalite movement, also known as the Maoist insurgency, affects states like Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Odisha.

Additionally, the rise of Hindu nationalism under the BJP and the nazi RSS has further polarised communities, contributing to religious tensions and conflicts.

These factors collectively contribute to the complex and often volatile nature of religious and insurgent activities in India. india needs to focus on uplifting the millions of poor people in its country and stop behaving like an arrogant bully in the region - if it wants to stay intact as a country.

Atleast write your answers, Chatgpt seriously? If you're chatgpt atleast format it and remove the obvious markers.

Also you're not upto date on naxalism and north east insurgency. Naxalism is on its last legs in India, only one major base of naxals is left, they're either getting killed or surrendering now.

North East compared to the past has mostly been tamed, the larger groups have given up their weapons and disbanded. Manipur is an ethnic issue, the problem was exacerbated due to FMR regime with Myanmar. Many non nationals mixed up with the crowd.

 

[Foxhound]

Iran is a much more powerful and independent entity than Pakistan. It has been that way for past few decades. It will be that way for the next couple of decades

No one said it wasn't a stronger entity, but when it crossed the redline it got a good telling off - hopefully, it will behave and keep good relationships with Pakistan. Both are Muslim countries and they should continue to keep the brotherly relationships - the Pakistani and Iranian people have no real beef with each other, except for third party shit stirring to cause unnecessary animosity (via terrorist related activities, such as serving Indian officer caught and locked up in Pakistani jail for coming through Iran to Pakistan to forment terrorism).

India is a way much bigger entity and that too a nuclear power (ranking number 4 in the global firepower index) - yet numerous times it has had a harsh telling off (resulting in numerous conflicts but ending in a stalemate or ceasefire, as the most recent conflict indicates). This is the thing that really cheeses the Indians off, a a lot smaller country (with it's lower military might and economic situations) that has the guts to challenge there hegemonic desires in the region.

Pakistan has the courage/determination to stop this hegemony - are the Indians ready to show their true mettle? Evidence shows they just bark when challenged by superior forces such as China.

 

[Foxhound]

Atleast write your answers, Chatgpt seriously? If you're chatgpt atleast format it and remove the obvious markers.

Also you're not upto date on naxalism and north east insurgency. Naxalism is on its last legs in India, only one major base of naxals is left, they're either getting killed or surrendering now.

North East compared to the past has mostly been tamed, the larger groups have given up their weapons and disbanded. Manipur is an ethnic issue, the problem was exacerbated due to FMR regime with Myanmar. Many non nationals mixed up with the crowd.

Lol ..whatever tool one uses (AI) is there to quickly muster information. There is nothing wrong if the search engines bring up the information - go read up on Modi's polarisation of India. It has isolated its masses - alienated the large Muslim population of 200 million, large number of Sikhs that have a big influence internally and abroad with their desire for a Khalistan state, significant concerns from the Christians - infact the majority of the non- Hindu population are under persecution from the Hindutva brigade. They are challenged and questioned whenever the BJP are looking to increase Hindu votes.

India is a fragile country - which if they do not address the grievances of it's large minority's, could result in the fragmentation of the Indian state as we know it. I know the Indians are trying their level best to subjugate/divide Pakistan (Baluchistan province) - but once you think and desire this for others...karma ..it'll come back to haunt itself. The Hindutva in their delusional thinking that they are making it stronger - it's actually polarised it's large minority's (they have become 2nd, third grade citizens) and if this resentment continues, it will not bode well for India - even if they begin to live and believe in it's lying delusional media that is controlled by the BJP.

 

[Foxhound]

To further add -

‘We will never bow down to Indian hegemony,’ DG ISPR says​

Dawn.com Published May 18, 2025 Updated about 11 hours ago

Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry speaks during an interview with RT Arabic in an undisclosed location. — screengrab via X/PTVNewsOfficial
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Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry has said Pakistan “will never bow down to Indian hegemony” as the recent ceasefire with India holds.

“The truth is that India is not the US and Pakistan is not Afghanistan. India is not Israel and Pakistan is not Palestine. Pakistan will never be deterred. It can never be coerced.

“We will never bow down to Indian hegemony. The sooner they realise this, the better it will be for regional peace and the world,” Lt Gen Chaudhry said to Anadolu Agency.

‘We will never bow down to Indian hegemony,’ DG ISPR says

Says," India is not Israel and Pakistan is not Palestine"; Pakistan will never be "deterred" or "coerced".

www.dawn.com

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

So after reading 38 pages. This thread started out well, but somewhere between page 5 and 38 it lost it's way and became a discussion rather than an assessment with the same old regurgitated questions asked in the other thread being asked here.

Shame.

Exactly. Instead of assessing the implications of war, the discussion has unfortunately shifted to speculating about potential winners. This mirrors the conversations that took place in the Pak-India conflict thread. I hope participants will refocus on the original objective of this thread and engage in more relevant discussion.

 

[Watandar]

I feel Pakistan did not have the initiative in the recent conflict and was simply reacting to India.

Pakistani foreign policy making and understanding of the world is still poor, and it shows when appealing to global audiences. India was shocked first by the Pakistani response and then Trump leveraging the conflict in trade negotations with India, but I wonder how many Pakistanis in govt were smart enough to see and understand those angles.

How much stock of ammunition/food/fuel does Pakistan actually have in a conflict with India ? Is it few weeks , few months , is there any stock at all ? A minimum of 6 months stockpile is needed for future conflicts.

 

[Distant_Observer]

A minimum of 6 months stockpile is needed for future conflicts.

It will never go that long because Pakistan will go nuclear within a week.

 

[Watandar]

It will never go that long because Pakistan will go nuclear within a week.

This topic of "going nuclear" is another fallacy that i believe also needs to be explored thoroughly on the Pakistani side. Nukes are not meant to be actually used, their value lies in intimidation and deterrence. Will Pakistan really fire a nuke after a week, knowing the response will be a nuke from India ? I have my doubts.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Will Pakistan really fire a nuke after a week, knowing the response will be a nuke from India ?

Then you still do not understand the fauj's doctrine. Long conventional wars are for countries like Ukraine.

Look how quickly Japan got nuked by the US in WW2.

India is a reckless country. It should be balkanized and de-nuclearized for its own good. The west have created a monster.