Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Trump wants a deal. It's the Israel loving republicans that are stopping the deal by raising issues like 0% enrichment.

I have said it before and I will say it again. Iran should suggest that it can stop enrichment for 3 years to "build trust" but will keep its 300-400 kg of 60% HEU inside Iran, sealed under the IAEA supervision at Fordow. Keeping our HEU is much more important than a useless, token enrichment program.

but we will need centrifuges to enrich the 60% HEU further

and I really doubt the US will allow us to keep 60% HEU if it doesn't want to let us keep even 3% LEU enrichment

 

[Persian Gulf]

I will even try to pinpoint the allies who will enter Iran on one cold morning.

The US armed forces, Turkish armed forces, Syrian armed forces (HTS, FSA, SDF) The British armed forces, and allied with gazillions of Ukraine armd forces volunteers who are out for revenge (Note at this point there will be ceasefire in Ukraine and finally the Polish armed forces..

They will enter from 5 sectors while Ilham Aliyev will cease eastern Azeribaijan.

Ahmed Al-Sharaa will bring in atleast 500.000 forces and will become a darling in the western for awhile after a successful invasion into Iran

The US will keep forces in Iran for 10 years and while the Syrian forces will exit after 5 years of counter-terrorism basically breaking the back of the Iranians.

The Syrians will showcase great professionalism receiving the most success on their corridor

thank you for sharing your fantasy of a Ukrainian - Turkish - Azerbaijani invasion of Iran

good entertainment

but you should probably see a psychologist if you want to keep posting in the Iran section

 

[Persian Gulf]

I say psy ops
I hope they do not run funerals for a week and pray before responding. Someone needs to tell Mr. Khamenei that we are past PR part and this is war.

funny but true

 

[Persian Gulf]

US is saying if negotiations fail we won't stop Israel. Just remember when Israel REALLY attacks they aren't just going to use airstrikes and missiles they are going to use their infiltrators and cause havoc from withing.

and when Iran REALLY attacks Israel it won't be against massive empty air bases in the desert with small 300kg warhead missiles

 

[ShapurII]

but we will need centrifuges to enrich the 60% HEU further

and I really doubt the US will allow us to keep 60% HEU if it doesn't want to let us keep even 3% LEU enrichment

If we ever want to enrich the 60% further, we will have to do it covertly, not with our current centrifuges at Natanz. Keeping our centrifuges running achieves nothing at that hypothetical scenario. Our top priority must be to keep the enriched uranium inside Iran in case that the US or Israel decides to threaten us again, even at the cost of halting uranium enrichment for a 3-year period.

You have to understand that with a guy like Trump, it's all about the appearance. If Trump can tell people that he has made Iran stop enriching uranium, he will be happy. Trump needs something to tell people that his deal is better than the JCPOA. That's all he really wants. And we should give him that but keep our enriched uranium inside Iran, sealed under the IAEA supervision. Insisting on uranium enrichment when in reality it helps us in no way is stupid. We should insist on keeping our current stockpile instead.

 

[SolarWarden]

and when Iran REALLY attacks Israel it won't be against massive empty air bases in the desert with small 300kg warhead missiles

Yeah I thought those warheads were BS.

Iran can overwhelm Israeli BMD when 2-3 places are the targets as we saw with TP-1 and TP-2 but when you spread your missiles all over Israel, especially if Iran can only launch the same amount as the TP's, it's likely the missiles won't be effective.

Also who's to say Israel this time won't take out the launch sites in preempt. It took Iran a very long time from when they deployed the missiles to their launch site to when they were fired and even us here in the forum knew an attack was coming as US/Israeli intel were telling us Iran is preparing to attack. This is not going to be where Israel hits Iran embassy or Hamas in Iran and sits and waits for Iran to respond once Israel crosses this line I think Israel is going all in and make sure Iran doesn't get a chance to respond like before.

As an armchair Lt. General that is my opinion.

 

[tsunset]

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So the rumors of Iran quitting the talks were false

 

[Liquidator]

and when Iran REALLY attacks Israel it won't be against massive empty air bases in the desert with small 300kg warhead missiles

Here is what a proper warhead looks like:

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[Persian Gulf]

If we ever want to enrich the 60% further, we will have to do it covertly, not with our current centrifuges at Natanz. Keeping our centrifuges running achieves nothing at that hypothetical scenario. Our top priority must be to keep the enriched uranium inside Iran in case that the US or Israel decides to threaten us again, even at the cost of halting uranium enrichment for a 3-year period.

You have to understand that with a guy like Trump, it's all about the appearance. If Trump can tell people that he has made Iran stop enriching uranium, he will be happy. Trump needs something to tell people that his deal is better than the JCPOA. That's all he really wants. And we should give him that but keep our enriched uranium inside Iran, sealed under the IAEA supervision. Insisting on uranium enrichment when in reality it helps us in no way is stupid. We should insist on keeping our current stockpile instead.

the problem is the centrifuge production chain is all tightly monitored so it's not easy to covertly produce a centrifuge in another site and secretly move it to another site for operation

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yeah I thought those warheads were BS.

Iran can overwhelm Israeli BMD when 2-3 places are the targets as we saw with TP-1 and TP-2 but when you spread your missiles all over Israel, especially if Iran can only launch the same amount as the TP's, it's likely the missiles won't be effective.

actually Iran targeted and hit sites in Gaza, Tel Aviv, Tel Nof, and Nevatim. and a wide range of targets across Tel Nof and Nevatim. and hit them all.

Israel doesn't have that many targets to hit to begin with.

Top Iranian General (Bagheri) talked about creating capacity for operations 10s of times bigger than TP2. Assumption Iran can only fire 200 missiles is very bad.

Also who's to say Israel this time won't take out the launch sites in preempt. It took Iran a very long time from when they deployed the missiles to their launch site to when they were fired and even us here in the forum knew an attack was coming as US/Israeli intel were telling us Iran is preparing to attack. This is not going to be where Israel hits Iran embassy or Hamas in Iran and sits and waits for Iran to respond once Israel crosses this line I think Israel is going all in and make sure Iran doesn't get a chance to respond like before.

Iranian generals say this is why they used drones in TP 1 to keep IAF busy to prevent attempts to pre-emptively strike

but Iran launches missiles from many sites spread across the large country at once and from commercial trucks and silos etc so it's not really feasible to launch an operation like that in even 4-5 hours

 

[Persian Gulf]

Here is what a proper warhead looks like:

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depends what the target is too

hitting soft targets in cities will appear more dramatic than hitting empty space in a large military base in the desert

it would take like 2 Khorramshahr-4 warheads impacting in Tel Aviv before Israel started talking about existential threats and nuclear weapons

 

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[shapurzolaktaf]

Good verbal slaps and warnings were given to these NATO fools during last days. It's time to wake them up, they're stuck in Ukraine.

 

[ShapurII]

the problem is the centrifuge production chain is all tightly monitored so it's not easy to covertly produce a centrifuge in another site and secretly move it to another site for operation

You don't need centrifuges for a covert program. I have already discussed this in huge detail that Iran has a functioning MLIS program.