Attack on Army School bus on Quetta-Khuzdar corridor— 6 Children martyred 43 injured.

They have just given a state funeral to the Lt Gen who carried out the RAW campaign for the Tamil Tigers. So, it is not just 1971. They tend to launch the Dalai lama against China, conspired in the former Nepal King and family massacre, then supported Hasina for all her crimes.. India has disturbed every neighbour.
Not to mention recent extrajudicial killings in Pakistan, Canada and an attempt in the USA.
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Indians have become bold in their approach because we their primary enemy has become docile and more reactive to the situation, we stopped helping Kashmiri resistance and do all that Aman ka tamash, in hoping that India will come to rahe-e-raast, there is a silent majority in India that hate Pakistan down to its bones, that include their movie actors, intellectuals, judges, scientists and people from all walks of life, so expecting a friendly India is impossible for at least 1-2 decades, you will keep killing these soldiers of TTP/BLA they are cheap and wasteful anyway, canon fodder but the real game is the weaken Pakistan economically by using Terror as tool. Attacks like these get International attention and byebye to any investor thinking of investing in Pakistan. We have to be more Pro-active, like Army said we have to become hard state, you have to hit India where it hurts and at the same time strong action against the Terrorists/supporters within, maybe cross border raids killing their top leadership.
 
And I dont expect people to read the entire thread because it's very very long but it's a good reference point based on my years of studying Balochistan and its terrorism problem and the foreign connection inside Balochistan and the Indian funding of BLA-J.

It took me a long time but I've read it, it's an amazing post which looks deeply in to Balochistan issues. People don't understand that at times everything is not so black and white, we must find an effective way to deal with internal insurgency, improving security, development, education, jobs, local involvement is a must.
 
It took me a long time but I've read it, it's an amazing post which looks deeply in to Balochistan issues. People don't understand that at times everything is not so black and white, we must find an effective way to deal with internal insurgency, improving security, development, education, jobs, local involvement is a must.
I really want to thank you for taking the time to read that - it was part of my research for a Pakistan Think Tank - for NDA purposes I cannot disclose which one. I have studied terrorism inside Pakistan for a very long time, the issue inside Balochistan is very complex and that is why the language we use is very important... You can see that in this statement from DGISPR:
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I am yet to hear of a penal case or a court decision on anyone found guilty of this crime.
bhai abhi office se aaya hoon saans to leny do zra.
Aur friday ko female day hota hai NADRA mein hamary liey sb se mushkil din.
Sirf women!
250-300 khawateen se sar khapana aasan nhi hota.
Eik baat 10 baar btani prti hai aur 11vein baar kehti hein hum apny mard ko bula ke laati hein ussko samjhao.
 
Ah yes because we all know how amazing and robust Pakistan's criminal justice system is right?
It is not for justice system.
Pakistanis just can't sustain the implementation of these laws.
You will laugh what excuses they make and how innocent Pakistanis are.
So the authority lets them go.
And NADRA is a department that cares for Pakistanis too much.
 
Log sarkari nokri krte he hain ke Kuch krna na parry aur pait bharta rhe😠😠

Spot on. This post is underrated but the root cause of the problem. I don't know about Balochistan KPK Punjab or Sindh but in Ajk you can never get an important sarkari job without political backing, this is because "hamare kaam kon karein ga". Those in power are very wicked, they will make sure everyone who works at important position owes them favours, especially sarkari nokris, this is where merit is disregarded and safarishi are given important jobs who then never do their jobs properly, are masters of deception, they are freeloaders. For example people are getting pensions in sarkari jobs when they never worked 1 day at job, even in the western world, Pakistan consulates are understaffed, on paper they may have 50 workers, chefs etc but when they arrive 50% work in different jobs to make extra money. Now imagine what is happening in Balochistan, this makes locals unhappy and good way to recruit militants. Pakistanis are also very racist, if Punjabi comes in ajk, he will loot everything, but local ajk person may loot 30% due to backlash, this is why we never allow outsiders to come but in Balochistan people from outside are ruling it, i gurantee exploitation takes place at higher rate. Locals must be allowed to rule, be involved.
 
Anyway this is going off-topic we can discuss this elsewhere. This thread is focused on the terrorist attack by Fitna-ul-Hindustan against innocent civilians. We can discuss NADRA issues in another thread.
good idea!
mery bhi kl papers hein 3,3!
 
It is not for justice system.
Pakistanis just can't sustain the implementation of these laws.
You will laugh what excuses they make and how innocent Pakistanis are.
So the authority lets them go.
And NADRA is a department that cares for Pakistanis too much.
I know the issue with our judicial system, just look at the arrest vs prosecution rates of people arrested under ATA and special hearings in ATCs :(
 
It is not for justice system.
Pakistanis just can't sustain the implementation of these laws.
You will laugh what excuses they make and how innocent Pakistanis are.
So the authority lets them go.
And NADRA is a department that cares for Pakistanis too much.

Look how El Salvador deal with their violent crime.

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Pakistan should have the same. If they can't cope with policing everything then just focus on having zero tolerance towards violent crime.
 
A brief 'Primer' on what's going on in Baluchistan by the brilliant Chief Minister of Baluchistan Mr. Sarfraz Bugti.

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Look how El Salvador deal with their violent crime.

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Pakistan should have the same. If they can't cope with policing everything then just focus on having zero tolerance towards violent crime.

Pakistani public is generally unaware of these responsibilities and should not be treated like 1000% law enforcement state.
But in order to make people comply, we are opting soft force methods (limiting expired cards renewal until all above 18 years family members get registered, compulsory condition of marriage/death/birth registration with NADRA in collaboration with Union Councils, BISP, Schools and many more departments).
 
Pakistan of 1980s and 90s is long gone. We are a cucked state. If we had our own version of BLA in IIOJK, Panjab, and North East India, these Indians would be thinking 100x before doing anything. Let alone massacre our kids. 2 times in this month at that.

Pakistan needs nationalists in power.

You see Pakistan backstabbed Kashmiri resistance, leaders thought India will be happy but instead India bought the war to Pakistan. I don't think this militancy will end in the next 30 years, it has already been 20 years. We will be here arguing till we are old and dead. Pakistan issue is corruption, bribery, liers, haram## in power, who bully harass exploit wherever they go, this causes the locals to be angry, then militants can recruit.

I say it again, we need reforms in Balochistan, create a local Balochistan Rangers forces, annex FCR, FC, levies in to rangers, train them to police, deal with locals, grievances, work with locals, negotiations, create special anti insurgency wing. Army should only be on the borders. Then hold free and fair elections, let the representatives come to power, negotiate with militants, form truth commission, find missing people, show live on tv, isolate the trouble makers, bring education, development, we need teachers for 1000s of ghost schools, make sure locals are getting benefit of royalties. Over the decades we will end this issue.
 
A brief 'Primer' on what's going on in Baluchistan by the brilliant Chief Minister of Baluchistan Mr. Sarfraz Bugti.

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Thank you for sharing this - people should watch this and tell me was I wrong to say the things I was saying in this thread?
 
You are, and others who are arguing that Grievance is what driving the terrorism in Balochistan/KPK, yes i heard you before you work in LAE or have been, lost family etc... nothing on that, but you and people like you are the main reason we can't have peace and stability in Pakistan because the time you spent justifying and giving excuses for their attacks if you and others like you half of the time thinking that why we have 95% terrorism from 2 ethnic groups, why all foreign agencies get 110% success rate in exploiting only 2 ethnic groups, and if people in positions of power think that rationally they will come to the same conclusion as I am, that problem lies with the ethnic group, their culture, riwayaat and not funding, grievances or anything else. For as long as we look the other way, we will have wave after wave of violence, Pakistan mai aaj sab se zayda profitable business Kafan, Qaber ke plots and ambulances ka hai...

You don't understand. We are not making excuses for them but are trying to understand the root causes. We all believe Balochistan and KPK needs schools, education but we failed at that. Balochistan has 1000s of ghost schools, these poor kids are most likely getting brainwashed. Let me give you example of the west, do you know 1000s of European Muslims from all ethnicities and backgrounds ie poor people, working class, professionals etc got brainwashed and went to fight for ISIS and others in Iraq Syria, young girls of 15 16 years of age went to ISIS. How did this happen? Brainwashing is dangerous and it works. This is why it's a must to work with locals, work with them to destroy militancy and its ideology, and not turn them all against you by using brutal force which will kill innocents.
 
Trust me i do understand, yes my view is unorthodox which I know, maybe not practical but so is expecting Peace and Stability without such drastic actions, you will never have Peace in Pakistan you can mark my words on a stone, unless the people change and ander ka kachra nai saaf kerte.
Yes Educational camps are important not only that its the ONLY solution for Pakistan, You remember what Parvin Sahne said, Attacking Pakistan after Pehlgham was counter productive because more terrorists will come, you kill few BLA and more will come.. you tried dialog that didn't get you a year long peace, but in Pakistan dialogs happen only to regroup and rearm. I keep asking this question and I have zero response from people why is that India gets 110% success rate when it comes convincing B/P people of Pakistan to kill/murder/blow of things in Pakistan, how come no other nation where 2 of the major ethnic groups are so easily exploitable that you can't do anything? you bend backwards for B/P people and one corrupt Govt comes in and economic situation goes bad and these people start terrorism again? Do you see anywhere else besides Pakistan? Gareeb duniya mai kahan nai hote ? BD ? India ? Indonesia ? African countries ? if you are Grievance than struggle for it, develop your regions, make peace there, don't shelter terrorists or bad will against the other races, than people will come and invest, no one wants to go to Balochistan today why? is it because people are hateful towards Balochi ? no, is it because Balochistan is not beautiful ? No, is it because lack of infrastructure ? little but yes, but people will travel to Balochistan if the people don't hate others, Like I said Tourism alone can turn Balochistan's fate forever let along the mining of rare earth minerals, but problem is when we see news of Labors gareeb mazdoor identified and shot, who wants to go there? incidents like Jaffar express who would in their right mind wants to take a train to Balochistan?
I am no military expert but any attack on FC/Levies have some sort of leaked information, someone from the public give info to BLA and we are seeing this for years, you try everything over and over but attacks keep happening. Log gareebi se tang a ker criminals bante hai Global Terrorists nai, this is unique in Pakistan alone.

You want to work with locals ? what makes you think that Pakistan state or forces haven't been doing this for years? and yet BLA coordinated large attacks and vanish in thin Air, without public support BLA will not even last 1 month.

Sab baat ki ek baat yeh hai that people here thinks that there problem is extremism, brainwashing, India, Grievance, lack of development are cause of Terrorist attacks, and I believe that Yes all these issues are contributing factor in the terrorism but the biggest Factor that we have in 2 regions like KPK/Balochistan is the people, their culture, behavior towards rest of Pakistani's, racial hate, superiority complex, messiah complex and lack of humanity, a society where violence is seen as pathway to become a "Hardcore Mard" with the mixture of tribalism you have a recipe of disaster. People in all of Pakistan don't give shit about Pakistan's law or constitution but in those 2 regions they don't acknowledge the Pakistani law or constitution let alone follow it, that is what you are dealing with, good luck tackling that but like I said I can bet you money that nothing will change, Terrorism will exists in Pakistan, and we will have thread after thread, maybe few months of peace or calmness but than it will rise up again.
This man is detached from reality.
 

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