PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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MastanKhan said:
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I believe that Taiwan is at a loss of words as to what to do---.

Suddenly all the weapons in its arsenal have become obsolete---.

5 minutes of combat---the first kill---that is what made the difference.
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Taiwan's planes have been obsolete for years.
 
Hendarto said:
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Fatman17 said:
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How China Helped Build Pakistan’s Air Power​

Pakistan Air Force News by Bilal Khan

Bilal Khan​

One of the headlining stories of the recent Indo-Pak Conflict from May 7-10 2025 was the apparent success of the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chinese-origin fighter aircraft. This notably included the Chengdu J-10CE and, to a lesser extent, the JF-17C Block-3. The latter is a joint-venture between the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

In addition, both the J-10CE and JF-17C were armed with the PL-15E long-range air-to-air missile (LRAAM). The PAF claimed it used this weapon to apparently down five Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter aircraft. These reportedly included several Dassault Rafales, among the IAF’s latest combat aircraft and a premier European fighter offering.
If the J-10CE and PL-15E combination performed as the PAF claims, implications could be globally significant. China would earn the coveted “proven in combat” badge, potentially attracting key defence markets. These markets, like Algeria, Iraq, and Egypt, often struggle to access cutting-edge Western systems and are also Russian customers. Pakistan’s experience could help Beijing expand its industry’s footprint in these key markets.

From a technical standpoint, such purported results could concern the U.S., which views China as a threat in the Asia Pacific. China’s export systems are typically some years behind what the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) operates. Regardless of the J-10CE and PL-15E’s performance in the Indo-Pak conflict, PLA equipment will generally leverage newer technology. Thus, any Pakistani success is a concern for the US in the Pacific; however, any failing may not be highly consequential, as Pakistani technology does not reflect China’s most advanced capabilities.

Neither the PAF nor the IAF’s kill-tallies have been concretely verified. However, photos purporting to show wreckage of each country’s aircraft are being shared on social media, and examined by open-source intelligence (OSINT) observers globally.

Ultimately, only the PAF and IAF will truly know their own aircraft losses. They are unlikely to ever clearly admit to any.

The public kill tally is irrelevant in this context. If PAF Air Headquarters (AHQ) is genuinely satisfied with its Chinese equipment’s performance – be it the J-10CE, JF-17C, HQ-9BE SAM, HQ-16FE SAM, radars, or electronic warfare (EW) systems – it will deepen its partnership with the Chinese industry.

China Will Get Valuable Real-World Data​

From this brief but intense conflict, the PAF and the Pakistani military generally have generated valuable real-world data. This data stems from each of its mainstay fighter aircraft (i.e., J-10CE and JF-17), its SAMs, its EW systems, and its wide assortment of short- and long-range radars.

These systems dealt with scenarios China will need to prepare for. Such scenarios include the advent of enemy supersonic-cruising missiles, loitering munitions, and large air formations or deployments.

Pakistan’s ‘nodes’ – such as fighters and SAMs – will also offer valuable insight into both the success and potential drawbacks of these systems.

For example, while Pakistan’s air defence system seemingly intercepted a number of BrahMos supersonic-cruising missiles (SSCM), some still penetrated and damaged PAF facilities, including air bases nested relatively deep in Pakistan’s interior, like Shahbaz Air Base in Jacobabad and Bholari Air Base in Sindh. If these SSCMs had been fired at a much larger scale and with greater intensity, there is little doubt that they could have potentially wrecked significant damage onto the PAF and, in turn, Pakistan’s ability to field air power for both defensive and offensive purposes.

The data will help both the PAF and its Chinese industry partners understand the risks posed by large-scale Indian SSCM deployment. This could, in turn, potentially result in original solutions that are both improved in stated performance and better optimized for Pakistan’s unique threat environment.
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@Quwa
6 kills are confirmed not "apparently " as per your article.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

I believe that Taiwan is at a loss of words as to what to do---.

Suddenly all the weapons in its arsenal have become obsolete---.

5 minutes of combat---the first kill---that is what made the difference.
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The real dilemma of the Taiwan issue is not the junk in the arsenal of the Taiwan government, but the hearts and minds of Chinese people around the globe. We cannot be sure that the global Chinese, including PRC nationals, will still support the Chinese government when they see Chinese civilians falling in pools of blood.
 
Fatman17 said:
Whatever suits you. 3 wreckage confirmed. 4th MiG-29 also confirmed. I'm going with 6. Time to stop apologising for India.
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Hi,

Why don't you give him a shut up call---.

Begani shadi mein Abdullah begana.

It was because of him that india got the thrashing---. They believed his words---and you guys think that I am making it up.

Does he have pictures or videos of any mods or admins---@X @Musings that they cow down to him---.
 
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Fatman17 said:
Even the Hindu newspaper confirmed 4 kills before it was forced to delete the news from its website by India government
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Hi,

This being digital age---digital kill is as good a confirmation as any visual confirmation---.

People will learn in time---Ohndi bund parr ditti aiy---pur oh kehnda kay proof dikhao
 
arslank01 said:
i wonder, all this poking fun, but when a rafale inevitably gets a J-10 or a F-16/Thunder, what the reaction will be
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‘Poking fun’? What do u think Indians would have been doing if they’d downed 6 PAF jets including 3 J-10? At least we’ve kept it pretty civilised, they would have gone nuts. You wouldn’t get to post anything on any PAF thread without them gloating and humiliating you, until the end of time.
 
arslank01 said:
i wonder, all this poking fun, but when a rafale inevitably gets a J-10 or a F-16/Thunder, what the reaction will be
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Indians (both Congress and BJP) were taunting and celebrating over the deaths of children in their strikes that failed to kill a single militant.

As for the air battle, the Indians have already made up their mind and started taunting over that IAF struck Pakistani nuclear HQ, shot down 8 F-16D, 2 JF 17 and a C-130J (an aircraft not even operated by Pakistan).

The Indians will always be taunting and celebrating.

They will spin a victory out of literally anything. They are olympic mental gymnasts.

We could plant the Mughal Flag on Red Fort, declare Asim Muneer as Alamgir II, and Indians will still spin it as a victory, edit Wikipedia, and boast about victory on PDF, Twitter, and other social media

Their taunts and proclamations of victory have become meaningless, regardless of whether they actually achieve something.
 
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