PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This being digital age---digital kill is as good a confirmation as any visual confirmation---.

People will learn in time---Ohndi bund parr ditti aiy---pur oh kehnda kay proof dikhao

Hi,

About 20 years plus---a paper came across me about aesa radars---.

It stated that the 2 formation or 2 +2 formation flying very very close will NOT WORK againt aesa radar as it did against conventional radars.

AESA has the ability to COUNT THE FAN BLADES of the engine---thus determing what kind of aircraft was flying it and---how many engines are in the package---.

So---when the aircraft gets blown away---the engine is blown away / shuts down---engine shut down mean aircraft destroyed---some of you may prove wrong---please go ahead---.

This is THE ELECTRONIC signature. Someone correct me with better information---.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

About 20 years plus---a paper came across me about aesa radars---.

It stated that the 2 formation or 2 +2 formation flying very very close will NOT WORK againt aesa radar as it did against conventional radars.

AESA has the ability to COUNT THE FAN BLADES of the engine---thus determing what kind of aircraft was flying it and---how many engines are in the package---.

So---when the aircraft gets blown away---the engine is blown away / shuts down---engine shut down mean aircraft destroyed---some of you may prove wrong---please go ahead---.

This is THE ELECTRONIC signature. Someone correct me with better information---.

There is a version close to AESA known as ABR or Agile Beam Radar fielded by the Emiratis in their F-16 Block 60 fleet. Some time ago....while flying with one of their Viper drivers in a GA aircraft...one of them candidly mentioned that their aircraft's radar was incredibly advanced for its time that they could even identify ground vehicles with tall or short people at the wheel....

Take this lightly or seriously... because I was a teenager back then....

 

[Fatman17]

The latest news suggested that PL-15E, launched from J-10CE, scored its multiple air-to-air kills on May 7, 2025 during the air combat between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. The downed IAF aircraft include Rafale, Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000 or Mig-29UPG. This record could significantly boost its export prospect on the international market. PL-15 is expected to be replaced by the new PL-16 which is more compact in size and features a radar/IIR dual mode seeker.
- Last Updated 5/22/25

 

[SD 10]

The latest news suggested that PL-15E, launched from J-10CE, scored its multiple air-to-air kills on May 7, 2025 during the air combat between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. The downed IAF aircraft include Rafale, Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000 or Mig-29UPG. This record could significantly boost its export prospect on the international market. PL-15 is expected to be replaced by the new PL-16 which is more compact in size and features a radar/IIR dual mode seeker.
- Last Updated 5/22/25

is pl16 more compact?? isnt it bigger than the 15?

 

[Deino]

is pl16 more compact?? isnt it bigger than the 15?

Boo, the rumoured PL-16 is said to be more compact with folding fins, so that actually 6 can be fitted into the J-20‘s weapons bay.

In fact it looks exactly like- and I still think it is just a PR-plot - like the PL-15E with folding fins just shown on Zhuhai.

 

[Yasser76]

Boo, the rumoured PL-16 is said to be more compact with folding fins, so that actually 6 can be fitted into the J-20‘s weapons bay.

In fact it looks exactly like- and I still think it is just a PR-plot - like the PL-15E with folding fins just shown on Zhuhai.

Could it not be that they just have an almost brand new missile in a very similar casing, like going from AIM-120B to AIM-120C8?

 

[Michael]

Could it not be that they just have an almost brand new missile in a very similar casing, like going from AIM-120B to AIM-120C8?

We haven't seen any official reports on the PL-16 or any leaked images related to it. At least for now, PL-16 is a fabricated code that doesn't exist.

Normally, if two missiles are the same size, serve the same purpose, and work the same way, then China does not activate new weapon codes. If it's just an upgraded version, we usually use the “A/B/C” suffix for the designation.

So, according to the rumor mill, it should have been named PL-15A, not PL-16.

 

[rafale]

What's the maximum BVR loadout that J-10 can have? 4 or more?

 

[Corax]

What's the maximum BVR loadout that J-10 can have? 4 or more?

Guy with a handle of 'rafale' joined last Thursday asking about the max BVR loadout of the J-10!

 

[Ali_Baba]

What's the maximum BVR loadout that J-10 can have? 4 or more?

The answer is 42 if you are interested.

 

[Ak01]

AESA has the ability to COUNT THE FAN BLADES of the engine---thus determing what kind of aircraft was flying it and---how many engines are in the package---.

Non Cooperative Threat Recognition has been around for decades and is found on non AESA radars too, like the APG-68v9.

 

[MH.Yang]

Hi,

About 20 years plus---a paper came across me about aesa radars---.

It stated that the 2 formation or 2 +2 formation flying very very close will NOT WORK againt aesa radar as it did against conventional radars.

AESA has the ability to COUNT THE FAN BLADES of the engine---thus determing what kind of aircraft was flying it and---how many engines are in the package---.

So---when the aircraft gets blown away---the engine is blown away / shuts down---engine shut down mean aircraft destroyed---some of you may prove wrong---please go ahead---.

This is THE ELECTRONIC signature. Someone correct me with better information---.

The Chinese military has similar technology, but it's not radar. China uses microphone arrays for directional pickup and denoising, and then compares the acoustic characteristics of the various engines stored in the soundprint database, e.g., spectrum, time-frequency, and so on. Finally AI algorithms and machine learning are used to match and determine. This is a tool to detect stealth fighters from a long distance, only detecting not locking.
Jet airplanes emit an extremely noticeable and ultra-distant high-frequency whistling sound due to the high-speed rotation of the turbine blades. Capturing the sound patterns of jet airplanes is actually a very easy task. But it has the same problem as high-resolution satellites, which cannot be locked on, only detected and warn. So it's just an aid.

 

[studsmart]

any news on remaining of 16 J10C fighters for PAF?

 

[RafaleSlayer]

there will be no news in the public for any new capability/capacity enhancements for now

 

[MastanKhan]

The Chinese military has similar technology, but it's not radar. China uses microphone arrays for directional pickup and denoising, and then compares the acoustic characteristics of the various engines stored in the soundprint database, e.g., spectrum, time-frequency, and so on. Finally AI algorithms and machine learning are used to match and determine. This is a tool to detect stealth fighters from a long distance, only detecting not locking.
Jet airplanes emit an extremely noticeable and ultra-distant high-frequency whistling sound due to the high-speed rotation of the turbine blades. Capturing the sound patterns of jet airplanes is actually a very easy task. But it has the same problem as high-resolution satellites, which cannot be locked on, only detected and warn. So it's just an aid.

Hi,

Thank you.