Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[NA71]

China will make sure to get F35 kill.

So will USA to make sure F35 will dominate by killing j35

Next decade or by 2029 war will be interesting.

May be US pilots be hired to operate a strike mission....indian say tu nahein ho ga.....

 

[Master Chief]

Err... missiles or drones are only successful if they hit the target. We have not seen a SINGLE video having some substantial damage done to any military target at all.

Further, no one knows if the smoke is from actual missile or drone or if it is from interceptor itself.

Sorry guys, if these strikes were real damage would have shown like that on May 7th or May 10th. All these videos have been taken from instagram and just posted with a random narrative.

None of this shows any real military damage like seen in satellite images of Pakistani bases. This handle is claiming S-400 was hit on May 7th at 12:54 in night. Which is in direct contradiction to what PAF has said that they waited for India to make first move before retaliating.


Another fake claim...

Mamun Cantt is barely 30 KM from Pakistan's border. This is not a deep strike, if the projectile hit anything at all. Its barely beyond the border and even an artillery shell would have reacher there, much less a rocket artillery.

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I did not claim they hit targets. I claimed they beat Indian air defences.

In an escalation, a saturation barrage would ensure some hit their intended targets. I don't believe we have observed EITHER side's missile batteries actually striking with full intent in this limited exchange. It is possible, perhaps likely, that both sides were more inclined towards testing out missile defences moreso than seeking complete destruction of a target. This is my own speculation though. In any event, I doubt India - behind closed doors - felt like any significant success was attained, and as mentioned, is wholly unsure now whether it can even consider aggression against Azad Kashmir. As the defenders against Indian aggression, we needed to stand our ground to emerge victorious in this limited exchange - we achieved more than that overall.

 

[Olympus81]

India put Rafale on waste list and also delayed further purchase of 26 jets for navy....Dassault must be regretting ....

The Indians, in my opinion, won’t backtrack from the Rafales deal. They procured 36 aircrafts with the underlying infrastructure. Hence, they’ve come too far to look for other options.

Their follow up deal for more Rafales will probably force the French to be more flexible with their terms.

Remember, in the words of some VACM, the Rafales is a very good aircraft if deployed smartly.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I did not claim they hit targets. I claimed they beat Indian air defences.

Ait defenses do not engage every projectile. Only those going to things that matter. If it is going to fall in open field, they will not engage it.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

The Indians, in my opinion, won’t backtrack from the Rafales deal. They procured 36 aircrafts with the underlying infrastructure. Hence, they’ve come too far to look for other options.

Their follow up deal for more Rafales will probably force the French to be more flexible with their terms.

Remember, in the words of some VACM, the Rafales is a very good aircraft if deployed smartly.

He is absolutely right. The issue was not with Rafales at all, it was with the way IAF deployed it and use it. Rafale is a very competent 4+ Gen fighter.

IAF was not fighting an air combat that day for the reasons best known to them. No wonder they got slaughtered.

 

[NA71]

The Indians, in my opinion, won’t backtrack from the Rafales deal. They procured 36 aircrafts with the underlying infrastructure. Hence, they’ve come too far to look for other options.

Their follow up deal for more Rafales will probably force the French to be more flexible with their terms.

Remember, in the words of some VACM, the Rafales is a very good aircraft if deployed smartly.

Thts interesting ....indians will now use pure banya style deal....degrade Rafale further to reach bottom price

 

[Arsalan45]

A country whose prime minister is continuously saying that operation is not over clearly means more attacks on pakistan. There is so much peace talk from pakistan Side. Shahbaz sharif keep asking them to talk. He offered talks on two different occasions. Sometimes it feels pathetic.

On one hand, a country is claiming your land and saying to their public that they will take back our Kashmir. Their pm was threatening pakistani civilians yesterday. Today he said operation not over. Thing is why this pathetic defensive behavior from pakistani side if world doesn’t care. Clearly world doesn’t care.

Question is why pakistan can’t change old policies. Look how india changed old policies into new policies like abrogation, like attacking pakistan two times( we used to attack them first, now they are attacking us first) and open threats to take back our Kashmir.

Our response is pathetic. Is it a shame to call Kashmir integral part of pakistan and china? How long pakistan will wait for the UN? UN is a failed organization that can’t implement anything.

Now what’s next? More bombs on lahore, karachi or Rawalpindi? I haven’t seen us doing same kind of retaliation as we used to do. Mosque is completely destroyed but there was no stand-off weapon attack like from sow, raad etc.

Videos are good but how long we wait for india to attack us first? Why wait? Why not formulate a strategy to get rid of this situation by maximizing the cost of conflict on india? Weak policies and only defensive retaliatory approach can’t save our Kashmir from india. These guys in india talk about our Kashmir daily and they promised to conquer it to their youth.

Here we are, we can’t even call Kashmir an integral part of pak and china. This defensive policy will yield terrible results. We may not feel
It in short war like some days but if war continue for a week or a month, we will see results of our terrible policies on the ground.

God knows when they attack this time. Intelligence says before 8june.

 

[Oracle]

May be US pilots be hired to operate a strike mission....indian say tu nahein ho ga.....

It's not indian pilot. It was Indian briefing which was wrong to pilots about PL15 range.


In bvr missile attack pilot don't know they are being fired at until missile locks itself which is about 50km away from tRget which gives about 9 sec to avade it.


Imagine India pilot... Nothing in radar.. No idea of any thing in air and out of sudden you get alarm there is missile lock.. You will check and recheck if it's fake alarm. Start defensive maneuver or dive however missile hit you as you gets in no escape zone

 

[Master Chief]

Ait defenses do not engage every projectile. Only those going to things that matter. If it is going to fall in open field, they will not engage it.

And yet some INDIAN reports are recoiling in horror at the liberal use of expensive anti-air assets against cheap and unarmed Pakistani drone swarms.

 

[Vkdindian1]

For modi ...its not like that .....he will try something again ...or he will be gone in indian politics

He isn’t going anywhere. He is here to stay.

But for the time being, I don’t see any major military action, except small arms and mortars across the LOC.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

And yet some INDIAN reports are recoiling in horror at the liberal use of expensive anti-air assets against cheap and unarmed Pakistani drone swarms.

You trust Indian reports?

I have a Karachi port attack to sell to you.

 

[Master Chief]

You trust Indian reports?

I have a Karachi port attack to sell to you.

No but our reports say the same thing.

 

[NA71]

Remember the window is open from May 28 to June 7 or 8....suggested by this man to Indian authorities:

Imagine they have got nukes and controlled by mad elephent

 

[gamaji]

The govt aka military leadership was holding back thinking we have done enough by shooting down some jets, Uncle Sam will make India stop, but India took all the time. India was on offense for 3 days, when we started on 10th, US called off the match and we accepted it gladly. We won the world cup of acting mature this time as well irrespective of the fact that this responsible behaviour has turned our sovereignity into joke.

We must act suicidal, we are not dealing with normal people, we are dealing with zombies or subhumans whatever you want to call this lowly kind high on Bollywood.

Like any other battle, this latest one between Pakistan and India exposed certain deficiencies and offered many insights to the leadership of both countries.

The matter of the fact is that, except for a few missile hits (that were able to survive Pak's counter measures), Indians were unable to successfully hit any targets in Pakistan. Yes, scores of Indian missiles and drones were able to penetrate Pakistani airspace. But almost all of them were neutralized by Pakistani air defense systems.

BTW, even much smaller but extremely advanced countries cannot claim to deny their air space to all incoming hostile missiles with 100% certainty. Don't get disheartened by PDF's inhouse pseudo experts’ opinions. These are no military experts. Most of them are former technicians, programmers, or maybe engineers in Pakistani defense industry.

There must be some reason that Modi was begging Americans and Saudis for an immediate ceasefire after just 5 hours into Pakistan’s response to 4 days of Indian aggression and provocations.

Pakistan has defeated and thoroughly humiliated Modi. Modi cannot even get back the land that Pakistani forces are currently occupying on the WB and IB let alone the LoC. No other country in world (including Zionist war criminals) is willing to offer even a few words of support to the defeated and humiliated Indians.

 

[Arsalan45]

It's not indian pilot. It was Indian briefing which was wrong to pilots about PL15 range.


In bvr missile attack pilot don't know they are being fired at until missile locks itself which is about 50km away from tRget which gives about 9 sec to avade it.


Imagine India pilot... Nothing in radar.. No idea of any thing in air and out of sudden you get alarm there is missile lock.. You will check and recheck if it's fake alarm. Start defensive maneuver or dive however missile hit you as you gets in no escape zone

Rafale actually dived pretty hard but you can see that the speed was the real problem. Pl-15 didn’t follow flares. It is good to see our missiles not following flares. Indian pilot made a mistake. Speed was extremely low. Evasion is possible if plane dives with full speed.