Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

He is indeed giving a subtle warning not just to India but to the world itself. The escalation ladder between India and Pakistan is a potential catastrophe for a large part of the world. I don't think Pakistanis are in a mood to play by the old book of tit for tat and be blackmailed by India every few years.

very different from previous times, contrasting rhetoric change from Pak.
Havent head before!

 

[Bilal]

Even if India launched BrahMos with a conventional warhead, the mere use of a nuclear capable platform so early in a conflict
Alters escalation thresholds
Sends strategic level signals
Invites international scrutiny
Forces the adversary (Pakistan) to consider worst case nuclear ambiguity

So rationality and strategic restraint was shown by Pakistan not India

Forget the indian posters here. Their own CDS has acknowledged the rationality (and professionalism extension) of Pakistan. He has dismissed the nuclear posturing claims being peddled here as well.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Even if India launched BrahMos with a conventional warhead, the mere use of a nuclear capable platform so early in a conflict
Alters escalation thresholds
Sends strategic level signals
Invites international scrutiny
Forces the adversary (Pakistan) to consider worst case nuclear ambiguity

So rationality and strategic restraint was shown by Pakistan not India

For the last time, Brahmos is not capable of carrying nuclear weapons. If Brahmos is nuclear capable then so is Fatah II and CM400 AKG. All of them have same warhead mass.

 

[El Sidd]

Forget the indian posters here. Their own CDS has acknowledged the rationality (and professionalism extension) of Pakistan. He has dismissed the nuclear posturing claims being peddled here.

He is a nobody. Probably the most ill informed person on Operation Sindoor. His ceremonial position is just a money laundering scheme.

 

[side-winder]

Here we go :-
Fun fact - the service Nos of officers in PAF haven't even crossed 21000 mark.

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[Baibers_1260]

The interview was on 11th. The reason which he gave on being non specific is that it is still an operational detail. Either they do not have enough information about what was hit or downed OR likely nothing was downed and perhaps only attempted by IAF.

Why so? Because likely IAF were not even preparing for an air to air warfare. I have said it before too. IAF platforms involved, specficially lack of AEW&C and electronic war fare platforms, suggests they never expected an air to air warfare.

@Vox Non Dei
Let's keep it simple. Let's start from the beginning, with the premise that Pakistan is lying, and everything the Indian spokespersons both official and non-official is completely true and verifiable.
So let's trash ALL Pakistani claims ( S-400, Rafale downed whatever) and concentrate only on statements by AVM Bharti and CDS Lt.General Chauhan..

Per Indian spokesperson AVM Bharti:
(May 11, 2025)
- On May 6th-7th 2025 India suffered zero damage with no losses during the operation due to enemy action; though in there are "losses" in any operation (unspecified reasons, which could be accidents )
-India shot down "few" Pakistani "high tech" aircraft. No details can be provided since we are in a combat situation .
- India attacked and put out of action 9-11 Pakistani air bases.
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May 29th, 2025
-The CDS Lt.Gen Anil Chauhan confirms AVM Bharti's statement that there were losses. Chauhan stresses the number of losses, or the losses themselves are irrelevant and the bigger question is why the losses occurred.
-Like AVM Bharti's May 11th statement Chauhan does not attribute losses to enemy action but mentions "tactical errors " which were rectified.

-CDS Lt.General Chauhan did not repeat AVM Bharti's claim of putting out of action Pakistani air bases.

-CDS Anil Chauhan did not confirm or deny that India was still in a combat situation, but claimed "rationality on both sides " (whatever that meant)

QUESTIONS:
1. Other nations provide basic information on losses during combat mentioning type of aircraft and reason for losses. (Example: The USA accepted the loss of two F-18 Hornet fighter aircraft during launch from their aircraft carrier during operations against the Houthis in Yemen). Why doesn't India provide more details?

2. Other nations provide details of losses inflicted on the enemy air forces during combat ( Example: Russia rewarded it's personnel with cash for downing a Ukrainian F-16 ) Previously in 2019 India announced the shooting down of a Pakistani F-16, and awarded Wing Comander Abhinandan the third highest gallantry award the Vir Chakra for the feat.
Why doesn't India similarly announce details of enemy aircraft shot down and honor and laude its air force or air defense personnel for shooting down enemy aircraft?

3. Other nations provide detailed assessments of damage inflicted on enemy bases usually confirming if the bases have been permanently put out of action or are likely inoperable for a long time. The USA doesn't rely on the New York Times to support evidence of its claims of the destruction of enemy air force assets. Example: US airstrikes on Syria's Shariyat Air Base

Why does India rely on International sources to confirm the effectiveness of its air strikes?

 

[Areesh]

2019: unable to fly into Pakistan
2025: unable to fly over India

Who says IAF hasn't improved after spending billions of dollars??

6 May 2025: Dreams to become Israel of South Asia
10 May 2025: Forced to become Iran of South Asia


At least India managed to become something after spending billions of dollars

 

[Bilal]

He is a nobody. Probably the most ill informed person on Operation Sindoor. His ceremonial position is just a money laundering scheme.

Slightly above the indian PDF posters though.

 

[El Sidd]

Slightly above the indian PDF posters though.

Splitting hairs aren't we now.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Here we go :-
Fun fact - the service Nos of officers in PAF haven't even crossed 21000 mark.

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wow amajing, so many wing cmandrs down

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Fact that India Resorted to Using Brahmos Missile which is meant to be a strategic weapon so early in conflict ( well Short of Full scale war ) tells you how fragile Indian Defense Doctrines are. You make them Panic so hard on May 7 that they forgot that firing Brahmos could trigger Nuclear war , No way to tell if Brahmos has conventional load or Tipped with Nuclear Warhead. Such irrational behavior by Indian Military contrary to claims of CDS chuhan that both sides were rational in their actions. Pakistan made mockery of Indian No First Use policy. They just fired their most potent weapon right on 3rd day of conflict. Pak did nt even begin to use its own cruise missiles yet.

No wonder everybody now loves Pakistan, and everybody now dislikes the Hindutva Bharat.....

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Dude do you even know how those bombs work?

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THe destruction would have been visible from 10 km but all you had the 3 holes 1 km away from the building and that was your evidence that 300 people are killed.

You can't see Reuters and Bbc reporting the very same week? You cant see the sat pics? You can't even show any evidence of 300 dead bodies you love to claim.

About fooling we just fooled and INAPPROPRIATELY touched Indian air FARCE that's about it.

that video speaks volumes!

 

[Bilal]

Splitting hairs aren't we now.

Well, some habits do get rubbed off of the posters here.

 

[F86 Saber]

This is Pakistan's news papers on 10th May.. I also have Reuters as source as well..

PM convenes National Command Authority meeting amid ongoing military operation against India | The Express Tribune

NCA is Pakistan’s top civil-military body overseeing command and control of nuclear weapons and strategic assets.

tribune.com.pk

Now tell me, what is the message here?

To me it seems "Don't push us, we will go nuclear".


I never said India was right or wrong about those objectives, just they were objectives.

Are you typing replies blindly? Like I said, NCA also handles Strategic assets i.e Missiles, so the meeting might have been to decide which platform to use if India responds.
I also said that Pakistan never said we will not use Nukes if push comes to shove. It will be mutually assured destruction but one that will be on behest of India.

 

[wgr2025]

Forget the indian posters here. Their own CDS has acknowledged the rationality (and professionalism extension) of Pakistan. He has dismissed the nuclear posturing claims being peddled here.

he said both sides were but my believe is that rationality was only shown by Pak not India. They desperately wanted to extract some trophy ( damage to bases ) for domestic audience before ceasefire because May 7th was complete bust after jets were downed. Morning of 7th May , MEA press release was quick to announce strikes as non escalatory non military.. but then Reality hit them hard that their jets were blown out of skies.. May 8th Drone attack and May 10 Brahmos attack ( Nuclear capable ) followed..Nur Khan attack came before Pakistan announced its own response. why India was so triggered?