Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Cesur said:
With all due respect, besides religion we neither share cultural nor geographic ties with Bengalis. It's sad the way things ended with them and I wish they were independent from the moment we gained freedom from the British. This East Pakistan, West Pakistan never made any sense in any way. Many people should know that when the Bengali movement started they also advocated for their language rights

The term “Azad Kashmir” is somewhat misleading, since most of its residents are Pahari Punjabi rather than ethnic Kashmiris. Apart from the Neelum Valley, its districts don’t actually lie within true Kashmir. More critically, the Kashmir issue cannot be equated with Bengal. Pakistan’s very identity is tied to Kashmir when Rehmat Ali coined the name “Pakistan,” he explicitly included Punjab, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan. The Persian cultural influence of these states for hundreds of years was what united our states. Even under British rule, administrators noted in memoirs and books that these areas differed from mainland India in every aspect of life.

The Kashmir Valley movement has experienced many ups and downs. At times, Pakistan has betrayed the Kashmiris, and at other times, certain Kashmiri leaders have betrayed Pakistan. I primarily hold Pakistan responsible, as it failed to strengthen the federation due to petty domestic politics. In any case, whether Kashmir becomes independent or joins our federation, I believe it will benefit Pakistan. As an independent state, Kashmir would support Pakistan diplomatically in the region, and if it becomes part of Pakistan, It would address our water challenges and bring a more educated populace.
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Agree 100% with just one additional piece of information:
The Pakistan Resolution of 1940 called for two autonomous states in East and West of India linked in a confederation in a mutual defense, foreign policy currency and communications but otherwise economically and politically autonomous . The 1971 Civil War resulted in two states and we are now moving closer to the original concept of the "two autonomous states in alliance ". The original state envisaged in 1940 was much larger than the current state of Bangladesh. It was in fact supposed to have comprised all of Assam, parts of North Eastern Bihar and six districts of West Bengal (Murshidabad, Malda etc.). The country was supposed to have been called Bangsham,

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Meengla said:
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The guy you quoted is perhaps envisioning an Iran-Iraq 1980s war or the World War I and II waves of forces. But let's look at Kashmir's geography: Hilly and heavily wooded. A person can literally cross the LoC on a foot bridge. Or 200,000 volunteers willing to die could cross using temp bridges from many locations under the artillery cover of Pakistani Army. Fortunately or unfortunately, there are hundreds of thousands of Pakistani civilians living in the north who have been involved in mountain warfare for almost 5 decades. And behind the enemy lines are the millions of...
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Cesur said:
With all due respect, besides religion we neither share cultural nor geographic ties with Bengalis. It's sad the way things ended with them and I wish they were independent from the moment we gained freedom from the British. This East Pakistan, West Pakistan never made any sense in any way. Many people should know that when the Bengali movement started they also advocated for their language rights

The term “Azad Kashmir” is somewhat misleading, since most of its residents are Pahari Punjabi rather than ethnic Kashmiris. Apart from the Neelum Valley, its districts don’t actually lie within true Kashmir. More critically, the Kashmir issue cannot be equated with Bengal. Pakistan’s very identity is tied to Kashmir when Rehmat Ali coined the name “Pakistan,” he explicitly included Punjab, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan. The Persian cultural influence of these states for hundreds of years was what united our states. Even under British rule, administrators noted in memoirs and books that these areas differed from mainland India in every aspect of life.

The Kashmir Valley movement has experienced many ups and downs. At times, Pakistan has betrayed the Kashmiris, and at other times, certain Kashmiri leaders have betrayed Pakistan. I primarily hold Pakistan responsible, as it failed to strengthen the federation due to petty domestic politics. In any case, whether Kashmir becomes independent or joins our federation, I believe it will benefit Pakistan. As an independent state, Kashmir would support Pakistan diplomatically in the region, and if it becomes part of Pakistan, It would address our water challenges and bring a more educated populace.
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Agree 100% with just one additional piece of information:
The Pakistan Resolution of 1940 called for two autonomous states in East and West of India linked in a confederation in a mutual defense, foreign policy currency and communications but otherwise economically and politically autonomous . The 1971 Civil War resulted in two states and we are now moving closer to the original concept of the "two autonomous states in alliance ". The original state envisaged in 1940 was much larger than the current state of Bangladesh. It was in fact supposed to have comprised all of Assam, parts of North Eastern Bihar and six districts of West Bengal (Murshidabad, Malda etc.). The country was supposed to have been called Bangsham,

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Baibers_1260 said:
Pakistan has to be careful here, Banking on the Kashmir Valley population to support an invasion has backfired in 1947-49 and again in 1965 leading to heavy losses. The Valley Kashmiris are a lot different from the Azad Kashmiri population, and perhaps the Line of Control is not just a military demarcation but also a cultural, ethnic and linguistic demarcation.

In fact if India had stuck to its secular inclusive agenda, giving cultural space and state level rights it gives to all other states and territories Pakistan would have had zero to negligible support amongst the population. A stark reminder of this status is the situation in IOK in 1972.
NOW, however the situation has dramatically changed because Kashmir is no longer viewed as a territorial dispute but as part of a larger Hindu-Muslim conflict where the fate of the Kashmiris in India is no different from that which is in store for Indian Muslims.

It is an interesting comparison of the attitude of the Indian Muslims versus Kashmiri Muslims in India as it was until 1990.

Indian Muslim viewpoint:
- Until 1992 the Indian Muslims were firmly of the belief that Kashmir as a Muslim majority region was a guarantee of secularism in the rest of India as the population in this sensitive border region adjacent to Pakistan and China could not be alienated. Ironically this was the viewpoint of all the centrist and left wing political parties in India including the ruling Congress Party and all left wing and regional political parties.
Muslims therefore enthusiastically supported India's stance and even volunteered to join the armed forces and serve while stationed in Kashmir.

- Kashmiri Muslim viewpoint:
The Indian Kashmiris were least bothered about the status of their wretched uneducated poverty stricken slum dwelling Indian Muslim brethren, being far more prosperous, educated, healthy and culturally secure than their Indian Muslim counterparts. Article 370 gave them near autonomy and Kashmiris enjoyed privileges in admission to professional education throughout India as well as exclusive rights to jobs and business within Kashmir. They had no fear of communal riots like their Indian Muslim counterparts. With huge subsidies distributed over such a small population their prosperity was at a level far above any of the states in India. So it was not surprising that Kashmiris viewed Indian Muslims as an embarrassment because the so-called Indian Muslim leadership had done little towards improving the lot of their constituents. Kashmiris felt culturally much closer to their Kashmiri Hindu counterparts than Indian Muslims. Which is WHY Kashmiris did not welcome or encourage Indian Muslims to settle or work in Kashmir even in Jammu where an influx would have shifted the demographics somewhat,

ALL this would change from 1990 onwards with the rise of Hindutva in the rest of India. Even by 1992 Kashmiris were so insular ( behind Article 370) that there were no protests over the demolition of the Babri Masjid on December 06, 1992. That is a date that has re-defined not just India but the fate of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.
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Even the mighty Russians couldn't defend thier airbases against western backed Ukrainian drone attacks, I think Pakistan has done pretty well in comparison, Pakistan definitely needs better air defence hopefully HQ19 will fill that gap.
 
TAC said:
My points are to Indians and whoever supports their ridiculous attempts to portray utter humiliation as ‘victory’. Good for u if you’re not Indian.
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To be fair, the vast majority of non-indians do NOT believe anything the indians say. Even their closest allies are mocking them.
 
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PAKISTANFOREVER said:
To be fair, the vast majority of non-indians do NOT believe anything the indians say. Even their closest allies are mocking them.
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Agreed. Vast majority of their propaganda is for domestic consumption of a receptive audience. Modi puts staying in power above everything else including national interest.
 
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