PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

There might be similarities with the origins of the rocket motor, but it has things like terminal guidance, bigger warhead, no ballistic trajectory.
as for LOMAD, that's speculation, but AFAIK its far from induction, though that might be brought forward now.
Again smash is a navalized Fatah 2/3. It has a terminal seeker because they need it for AShM role. Fatah does not. Rest of stuff is same.
LOMAD is not speculation, its fully developed. All depends on when PA wants to fully induct it.
 
Again smash is a navalized Fatah 2/3. It has a terminal seeker because they need it for AShM role. Fatah does not. Rest of stuff is same.
You are describing something else then. A terminal seeker (and by necessity manooerving capability) means its a very different beast. Having a common motor isn't the same as being a "navalised" missile.
LOMAD is not speculation, its fully developed.
Specirications if you have any?
All depends on when PA wants to fully induct it.
I suspect they will after last month.
 
It's on the main podcast platforms right now (Spotify, Amazon Music, etc), but you can also find it on the website.


I'm working on the YouTube side. Just trying to figure out the best practices for doing so without host/guest videos.
Just listened to your podcast. You guys were talking about licensing Pak designed UAV and loitering munition designs to countries like Brazil, Poland, Czechia, etc, and potential issues around supply during wartime, why not go for the obvious option, contract out mass production of Pak designs to Chinese firms? We already have strong relationships with the Chinese military/industrial complex, and supply during and outside wartime would be far quicker and easier. Also, there was reference to the lack of strategic depth in Pakistan, are there any serious consideration given to perhaps relocating airbases further west, or perhaps building new air bases further west to avoid the PAF becoming grounded under intense saturation attacks by indian brahmos strikes?
 
Additionally Brahmos alternative would be a supersonic cruise missile that might be tested soon.
Is there really any need for opening up a literally new Production & RnD line to develop an alternative for Brahmos? it's completely different technology.
Why not just build on Ballistic path and refine it.Like developing Ballistic based glide vehicles that may be compact and shorter in range but highly effective?
See Brahmos can be intercepted.It's not silver bullet.You just need proper defences in place.
Even Russia is not able to use Oniks in great numbers.Their Iskandar is the workhorse missile.
 
are there any serious consideration given to perhaps relocating airbases further west
This is silly concept.
Imagine Enemy sends fighters fully loaded and they suddenly pop up on radars
You would have to bring fighters from let's say Balochistan to intercept them?
In that time enemy would already get its objective without any loss.
ABs are put close to border bc you need to intercept your enemy fast.really fast.
 
You are wrong on both points here. Won't elaborate on lomad one. But P282/Smash is literally Fatah 2/3 naval variant.
Additionally Brahmos alternative would be a supersonic cruise missile that might be tested soon.
which indian weapons were most useful during this conflict and dealt the most damage to us??
 
Many people are questioning about Pakistan's air force air defense systems, but what needs to be understood is that at present, the Pakistan Air Force has only one operational battery of HQ-9BE and the rest are only Spada-2000.
According to some reports, India also fired two Brahmos missiles towards Karachi, but pak Army's HQ-9A/P system successfully intercepted both missiles.
which makes it clear that intercepting a BrahMos missile is not a big deal modran air defense systems can easily intercept BrahMos missile's.
Pakistan Air Force should complete its Multi Layered Air Defense System as soon as possible.
 
Many people are questioning about Pakistan's air force air defense systems, but what needs to be understood is that at present, the Pakistan Air Force has only one operational battery of HQ-9BE and the rest are only Spada-2000.
According to some reports, India also fired two Brahmos missiles towards Karachi, but pak Army's HQ-9A/P system successfully intercepted both missiles.
which makes it clear that intercepting a BrahMos missile is not a big deal modran air defense systems can easily intercept BrahMos missile's.
Pakistan Air Force should complete its Multi Layered Air Defense System as soon as possible.
Missiles were fired at Kamra, Peshawar and Malir. All were intercepted, since it had more layered defenses. Due to being further away. Gujranwala was a solitary missile.
 
Many people are questioning about Pakistan's air force air defense systems, but what needs to be understood is that at present, the Pakistan Air Force has only one operational battery of HQ-9BE and the rest are only Spada-2000.
According to some reports, India also fired two Brahmos missiles towards Karachi, but pak Army's HQ-9A/P system successfully intercepted both missiles.
which makes it clear that intercepting a BrahMos missile is not a big deal modran air defense systems can easily intercept BrahMos missile's.
Pakistan Air Force should complete its Multi Layered Air Defense System as soon as possible.
Yes
Don't know why Pakistanis are obsessed with Brahmos
Brahmos is no doubt a threat but PAF can deal with it with its layered defences once they come in line

Even India is moving towards Ballistic based Hypersonic gliders for future precision strike vectors
Hypersonic_LRASHM.jpg
This is their future Hypersonic Anti Ship ballistic missile
Pakistan should continue with its ballistic tech and not waste money on supersonic cruise tech.
Invest in refining our ballistic tech and don't fall in brahmos trap.
 
This is silly concept.
Imagine Enemy sends fighters fully loaded and they suddenly pop up on radars
You would have to bring fighters from let's say Balochistan to intercept them?
In that time enemy would already get its objective without any loss.
ABs are put close to border bc you need to intercept your enemy fast.really fast.
It may seem silly to you, but a more intense saturation attack with brahmos missiles could effectively ground the PAF. We're lucky the few brahmos that did get through did not hit anything critical. More defensive air bases further west, with potentially hangars deep inside mountainous terrain, would ensure we have a "second strike" capability so to speak, when it comes to sustaining heavy damage to primary forward operating airbases.
 
It may seem silly to you, but a more intense saturation attack with brahmos missiles could effectively ground the PAF. We're lucky the few brahmos that did get through did not hit anything critical. More defensive air bases further west, with potentially hangars deep inside mountainous terrain, would ensure we have a "second strike" capability so to speak, when it comes to sustaining heavy damage to primary forward operating airbases.
Not if PAF starts moving more and more assets west. Our airbases, built in the 1950's, are too close.
 
Not if PAF starts moving more and more assets west. Our airbases, built in the 1950's, are too close.
I agree, this is what I've been advocating. We need airbases further west where we can keep high value assets, perhaps in deep underground hangars, to be able to sustain significant damage to FOB, and allow sustained air offensive capability. Long range SAM closer to the east, along with a more dense multi-layered IADS, should assist in defeating brahmos as well as ballistic threats.
 
BrahMos. And **** all besides.
yes indeed.it appears the 'comeback' talked by Indian CDS was just 'ground the Air Force (so it won't be swatted again) and just fire large volleys of Brahmos aka supersonic cruise missile. Pakistan should induct similar missiles but hypersonic capable at a fraction of the price to saturate Indian bases next time. I believe next time their Air force would retreat to Delhi and they would just fire missiles while also improving their ground AD to contest the inevitable PAF onslaught.
 
Not if PAF starts moving more and more assets west. Our airbases, built in the 1950's, are too close.
It may seem silly to you, but a more intense saturation attack with brahmos missiles could effectively ground the PAF. We're lucky the few brahmos that did get through did not hit anything critical. More defensive air bases further west, with potentially hangars deep inside mountainous terrain, would ensure we have a "second strike" capability so to speak, when it comes to sustaining heavy damage to primary forward operating airbases.
I disagree. Our geography is slim and bringing in assets from the west would just allow Indians more time, and also dent our quick counter attack capacity. We have to fight from where we stand. Instead turn our bases into concrete fortresses for all critical assets, of all shapes and sizes. Don't ever build a non reinforced hangar ever again and convert all existing ones.Also tunnel the hell out of these bases for huge under ground hangars as well.
 

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