Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Vapnope said:
Your most popular leader is the ONLY person who was banned in US and UK for 10 years for violating religious freedoms during Gujrat pogrom, we have not yet elected any criminal to office.
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Yes he was and then absolved by Indian courts. Thereafter, both US and UK invited him and he gave a speech in the Senate as well as UK parliament. If you are flexing the fact that he was denied visa then you should also accept their decision to revoke that. Or is it that you want to embrace only those facts that suit your narrative.

Vapnope said:
If i were you, i wouldn't be flexing having a criminal low life as my PM.
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The context of his mention was not about flexing him as PM, but to bring out supremacy of people’s will where a popular leader isn’t thrown behind bars indefinitely and so brazenly.

Some more food for thought.
 
Master Chief said:
The point being made is that India is not a democracy in the traditional sense. Information is regulated in India. Can you even begin to deny this reality or shall I spam articles of twitter and YT accounts being closed, artists being arrested for criticising Modi, information lockdowns in Occupied Kashmir? We can provide hundreds of samples from this year alone if you genuinely need them. So when you do mature as a democratic nation with the prerequisite level of information governance, then feel free to report back regarding "ups" and "downs". For now, it is established that India's best definition is that of an electoral autocracy (I.e. you flash pictures of old ladies with purple ink on their fingers but fail to advise the viewer that the information available to said ladies is strictly controlled). Observe the difficulties our own pdf members like @Sharma Ji have in accessing certain content that breaches regulatory policies in India.

When the hordes are kept in the dark, you essentially are reliant on having a benevolent autocrat at the helm, whether you define yourself as "democratic" or otherwise. I'm not sure Modi is as benevolent as you might think. He has no hesitation in expending innocent civilians for his causes.

I am not here to prophesise. The unravelling of India as a nation state began on 15th August 1947. The panicked annexation of multiple states is testament to this.

We don't need to derail the thread by discussing Bangladesh, but suffice to say, my position is that Manekshaw is a war criminal and terrorism planner. There is plenty of documented evidence of his terrorist acts against Bihari and West Pakistani civilians in erstwhile East Pakistan. Also kindly remind yourself that India chose to invade its sovereign neighbour while Pakistan was involved in its own internal matter at the time. 1971 was a watershed moment indeed in the subcontinent, yet Delhi still whinges that others deploy terrorists and others interfere in Delhi's internal affairs. In hinduism, this is known as karma. Hope you've heard of it.
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Man, this gubment censorship bs is not exactly unique to us lot in this region.

Aap log and your fauj

China, and their commie ways

and also our kinda fascy sarkar under RSS waaley Modi Ji

sab karte hain, to the extent possible, ki "enemy propaganda" which goes against the state ki official story ki blocking.

Even with all that, though, and I can only speak with authority about my country, India, here.. there are still a crap ton of content people churning out xhit like there is no tomorrow.. ekdum anti Modi, anti RSS, anti right wing thought..

you never been on the twitters or youtubes, have ya, bruv ? :P
 
Pradotlc said:
It is their style of English and logic that gives it away …

The fool didn’t think we knew his game.

Also no Pakistani would ever say I live in F10 etc to prove his nationality..

What a idiot

Reminds of a story of how they caught an Indian spy in 1960s when bought tea and asked how much for sugar price or something to that effect…
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For a moment I thought you meant a spy was caught on Pakistan Defence Forum in the 1960s... our dear mods have been battling the infiltrators for many a decade now.
 
That_Guy said:
I'm convinced she's in Pakistani custody, and Pakistan kept quiet about it at the request of the US and India in order to facilitate a ceasefire.

If she's in India, all India would have to do is present her.

Heck, a local Indian street journalist just needs to visit her house and take a picture of her there.

Yet, no photos, no videos, not even an audio-call to a media outlet or through military channels.

Pakistan has her, and unless India proves otherwise, I'm convinced she'll stay in Pakistani custody until a proper negotiation can be settled upon.
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This sounds like a trolling attempt and looks pathetic for a Think Tank to dish out.

You expect India to go over forums like this and start assuaging the wild theories of Think Tanks of your calibre?

You can do better than this.
 
That_Guy said:
On a side note, this proves to me that for 2 complete days, PAF had complete air superiority over the skies of Kashmir. If Pakistan wanted, it's air force could have gone deep into Indian sovereign skies.
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Have you analysed why they didn’t do it, if they had such an edge over Indian skies, instead kept pumping in drones and Fatah missiles? Maybe it was no edge after all.
 
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Vkdindian1 said:
Yes he was and then absolved by Indian courts. Thereafter, both US and UK invited him and he gave a speech in the Senate as well as UK parliament. If you are flexing the fact that he was denied visa then you should also accept their decision to revoke that. Or is it that you want to embrace only those facts that suit your narrative.


The context of his mention was not about flexing him as PM, but to bring out supremacy of people’s will where a popular leader isn’t thrown behind bars indefinitely and so brazenly.

Some more food for thought.
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Indian courts lol

They didn't absolve him of anything, they just allowed him in after 10 years because of business interests just like they keep inviting Netayahu, nothing to be proud of.

//Modi is being welcomed in various countries because India is seen as an attractive – and useful – partner by many countries because of its growing global and regional role,” Madan said.//


But hey he is popular in India so it says a lot about the Indian society.
 
Pradotlc said:
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Not only were we pounding jets, we were also pounding posts in LOC. Im 100% sure they signed ceasefire because they were scared that PAF would breach Indian Airspace and since they were so superior they would absolutely be able to completely bomb airbases in the whole of western India. Literally Crippling IAF

Another thing they were scared about was that Pakistan Army was angry, after the death of the children they were having huge rage and anger against the Indian Army thus they were launching relentless attacks in LOC so they would be scared shitless if Pakistan Army started an offensive to take IIOK. Several Indian posts already raised the white flag before due to sheer artillery bombing by Pakistan.
 
That_Guy said:
On a side note, this proves to me that for 2 complete days, PAF had complete air superiority over the skies of Kashmir. If Pakistan wanted, it's air force could have gone deep into Indian sovereign skies.

@jugger what the hell are you laughing for? Your nation lost multiple fighters, and inflicted superficial damage. Your female pilot might be in Pakistani custody, and your own army chief is admitting that your air force was grounded for 2 whole days.

What is there to laugh at?
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Indian trolls while giving laughing emojis on your post
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Have you analysed why they didn’t do it of they had such an edge over Indian skies and kept pumping in drones and Fatah missiles? Maybe it was not such an edge after all that kept them far away.
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Dear, same can be asked from your side... If PAF was suppressed, Pak Army's AD was switched off and land forces were devoid of all air cover and air defense cover, what stopped IAF and IA from going the whole nine yards?

Pakistan Azaad Kashmir and Pakistan's strategic objectives were there on a plate for so many days.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Have you analysed why they didn’t do it of they had such an edge over Indian skies and kept pumping in drones and Fatah missiles? Maybe it was not such an edge after all that kept them far away.
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Messaging - if PAF openly violated Indian airspace it would provide excuse for actions India was planning in the desert.

Unfortunately, what 95% of members here fail to see in my humble opinion is that every missile, bullet or even a foot step in a direction is a MESSAGE.
It is a state to state message. So while it’s easy for you to ask why they did not cross a border or for Pakistanis to lament why they did not bring down more aircraft or for why India agreed to a ceasefire. Its a message at state levels that happens to then get translated and disseminated to be construed at various levels of command.


This is actually a great example of it
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